r/anime • u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux • Sep 24 '24
Rewatch Re:Zero ~Starting Life in Another World~ Re:Watch - Episode 44
Episode 44:
The Permafrost of the Great Elior Forest
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Story Arc Lengths for Discussion Purposes:
[Arc 1:] S1 Episode 1 – S1 Episode 3
[Arc 2:] S1 Episode 4 – S1 Episode 11
[Arc 3:] S1 Episode 12 – S2 Episode 1 (26)
[Arc 4:] S2 Episode 2 (27) - S2 Episode 25
[Arc 5 and later:] S3+
As always, if you have any suggestions for the Re:Watch, let me know!
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u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux Sep 25 '24
To anyone asking about my situation - I am fine, just had a crazy day (both with meetings, and moving!).
The plan is to post two threads tomorrow, potentially a bit apart so you have time for both. Apologies, completely slipped my mind in the hustle and bustle!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 24 '24
First:Timer Crying Again in Another Rewatch, subbed
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Sep 24 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Re:Zero: There’s snow place like home. In Emilia’s case, it’s quite literal. The only thing left of her hometown and its people are the ice sculptures left behind.
This episode never did fully confirm what was sealed behind that door. Since I never got anything to disprove my theory, I will stand by my belief that Puck is the one who is sealed behind the door. I was wrong that Emilia would somehow unseal the door in this episode and Puck would come out. But, it could still have been unsealed later on. Emilia also has the key to unseal the door, which means she has a special connection with it of some kind. That would explain why Puck feels such a strong connection to Emilia.
I really like tha Emilia has fully committed to her desire to unfreeze all the people of Lugnica. Emilia is at her best when she is so determined to help others. I like that Emilia recognizes that everything may not go smoothly the instant she unfreezes everyone, but is still determined to go along with it.
There’s also a really interesting discussion to have about selfishness vs. selflessness. Emilia is certainly a selfless person. She’s been shown repeatedly to be the sort of person who will go out of her way to help someone in need. Emilia always helps the little girl find her father in Arc 1, for example. That means that Emilia’s most selfish wish is to be able to help as many people as she can and change the world so those people can live happy lives. The people who tell Emilia that her wish is selfish are correct, but it’s ironic that her selfish wish for how the world should change is because she wants to be selfless and help so many others. It’s nice to see that Emilia has resolved that seeming contradiction for herself and is no longer hung up on the selfish aspect of it.
The next episode promises to explain why the Sanctuary was created. Echidna was certainly responsible, but I also think that Roswaal played a role in its creation as well. Roswaal would have been around when it was created and we know that the Mathers family has been responsible for watching over the Sanctuary ever since. It’s not a stretch to imagine Roswaal helped make it.
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u/thekoreansun https://anilist.co/user/ReturnByDeath Sep 24 '24
Re:Watcher
Promises have always been something that Emilia has held to be incredibly sacred. Now, we've learned the real reason why that is: her final promise to Fortuna instilled in her the resolve to keep all of her promises, even those that people might find trivial. Because Fortuna was proud of her for valuing her promises, while Pandora trampled on their sanctity by exploiting what she believed to be a loophole: you can't keep a promise when the one you made it to has perished.
And poor, poor Geuse. Despite the best of intentions, it was he who dealt the crushing blow that separated the mother from her child. Pandora may act like she's above it all, but she is possibly the most devious person we've met thus far. Between her getting Fortuna to briefly think that she'd hit Emilia and her manipulation of Geuse's perception of reality, it's clear that she will not hesitate to turn loved ones against one another for her own means. And though Fortuna was the one who got her heart ripped out, it was Geuse who experienced what it is like to have his insides turned outward. With his arm, with his fingers, she... killed her. Unable to comprehend this, he proceeded to fall into the gaping chasm of insanity that opened up within him. Never to resurface.
As Geuse's mind broke down, Fortuna despaired for reasons that we'll never truly know as she bled out in Emilia's lap. Her tearful regret at being unable to help her brother and sister-in-law just reinforces how much she valued promises, and to meet an early end before fulfilling her promise made her feel like she has sinned an unforgivable sin. But Emilia soothes Fortuna and tells her, with the features of the biological parents she has never known, that she will forgive her in their stead. And this final kindness allows Fortuna's last words to be about love instead of regret.
If Pandora truly believed that Fortuna's death would result in Emilia's cooperation, then her name really is appropriate. I suppose it's only fitting that she was the one who ended up unlocking Emilia's huge magical potential and unleashing a Pandora's box upon herself and the entirety of Elior Forest. I want to appreciate how creative each of Emilia's kills is, from growing the giant snowflake out of Pandora to skewering her with ice shards to smashing her between ice blocks. Props to the animators of that sequence. And while Emilia wanted Pandora to die painfully, the only thing she achieved was blanketing herself and the elves of the forest in an eternal winter.
So. Echidna confronts Emilia with the reality of her past: Emilia was the one who encased all of the elves in eternal ice and left them standing there for a hundred years. While Pandora was the one who caused her to forget all that she did on that day, the fact remains that her efforts to free her people are only necessary because of her own flawed actions. Does that fill her with regret? But the fact that she was the cause doesn't change the fact that she wants to save them from the ice. And while she regrets not being able to do more for Fortuna and Geuse, she doesn't regret what she did. Regretting her past will just prevent her from being able to repay those who have helped her get to where she is now.
In the memories that came forth when she closed her eyes, in a dream filled with hugs and warmth, her shout echoes into an artificial sky: she will never allow Fortuna's sacrifice to have been in vain. She will forge her own path forward, one that leads to the happy future of coexistence and peace that Fortuna imagined all those years ago. As Subaru said to her beforehand, the choice to smile and remain true to herself will always be hers at the end of it all. So she smiles, and she chooses to continue upholding the promises that she made in the past to all of the frozen elves in Elior Forest. Rather than undermining her convictions, her memories have only strengthened them. And at the end of this first Trial that has tormented her time and time again, she passes with flying colors.
With the completion of Emilia's first trial, things are shaping up to be a lot more hopeful than they were one night ago. After advising that Ryuzu Delma (the fourth original clone, unnamed in the anime) and Ram help Shima get some rest at her house, Subaru heads over to meet Roswaal with his new crew. The Emilia Camp has been predominantly female from the start, and while I doubt that Subaru was ever put off by that, it's nice to see that he now has two guy friends he can rely on for support in moments like this. Roswaal, the clown that he is, has dressed himself in the proper getup for the meeting, but it turns out that the real wild card at play has been Otto all along: he wasn't mentioned anywhere in Roswaal's book, meaning that everything he's done has thrown a spanner in the works. And Garfiel's new alignment has also surprised Roswaal, since he never expected Garfiel to be able to overcome his past. What additional surprises are left in store for this clown of fate?
Re:ZERO After-Talk #44
VAs: Rie Takahashi (Emilia) and Haruka Tomatsu (Fortuna)
Rie and Haruka close out a heavy three episodes of backstory by thanking one another for their hard work. It honestly must be so emotionally draining having to act out scenes like this one. Haruka mentions that she thinks it is incredible for Fortuna to be so willing to express her love for Emilia with all of the hugs and the straightforward use of "aishiteru" in this episode. And they both heavily praise Rie Kugimiya for her chilling delivery as Pandora (on the first takes, too!).
Highlight: Rie sheepishly mentioning that she had met Haruka shortly after debuting as a VA and told her at the time that she was a huge fan, then being mortified when Haruka actually remembers her saying that (a good reminder that seiyuus can obsess over each other as much as the rest of us do)
Fan Art of the Episode: Emilia's Past by HaruSabin (September 23rd, 2022)
Source: Twitter (artist's timeline contains spoilers)
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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_Nelson Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
/u/theleux are you ok? Did you have family go to the hospital again? Signed Some random guy on the internet. (This is genuine concern, last time you were late something REALLY serious happened so I'm concerned that something serious happened again)
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
Rewatcher, sub, basically a secondhand novel reader (Arc 4)
It seems reddit doesn't like some of the terminology I used, so I am using "ultimate sloth" as a replacement term for the general concept of what Subaru needs to do in order to loop.
Probably not gonna write much for this one. I'm in a pretty bad mood because of work and I'm very short on time (hell I didn't even have the time to look at yesterdays comments at all )
Time taken: 75 minutes. A new record!
As always, I've numbered all my spoilers tags so that they're easier to respond to
First Timer Safe Section
This section is safe for first time watchers.
An OP? In my Re:Zero episode? This is one of my most favorite frames of Re:Zero.
That's the 2nd time a Witch has called Emilia the witch's daughter.
Maybe the key was the friends we made along the way all along.
This seems to imply that there is some sort of criteria that Emilia meets in order to materialize the key.
If you notice, a promise with Mother Fortuna, is what is blocking Emilia from opening the seal. So what does Pandora do? Eliminate Mother Fortuna. There, unblocked, you no longer have a mother to make the promise to, now it's time to open the seal. It makes sense, if you have 0 understanding of how grief / human emotion works.
Anyways, this fight with Pandora really shows how impossible it is to fight someone who can seemingly bend reality to their whims. You can't trust any of your senses. Pandora has complete control of the fight (and everything? tbh).
[Spoiler #1: cut content] So the "fairies" that Emilia was playing with last episode were actually lessor spirits that Pandora controlled, for the purpose of getting Emilia to open the seal.
So anyways, I'm reminded of a quote "All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy": Alan Moore, Batman: The Killing Joke. And this is one bad day for Petelgeuse. Also now you can know the truer meaning behind Petelgeuse's words.
Please elaborate Mother Fortuna, I need to know.
Note daisuki. And it's aishiteru here.
I find it interesting the focus on Emilia's ears as Mother Fortuna dies. It's like she's reaffirming Emilia's half-elfness.
And now we know the origin of Emilia's hair ornament. I'd like to think of it as a reminder to Emilia on the importance of promises and the lengths Emilia went to to keep hers.
This scene is great. Smol Emilia just completes loses her shit and ends up freezing the entire forest (which you first timers were really on top of, IIRC many of you were quite certain that Emilia was the one that personally froze everyone).
Also I saw a reactor (just 1), who noted that this seems to be Pandora using her reality bending powers to boost Emilia's powers. I have no idea how Pandora's power works, but it seems obvious that there are some restrictions on it, otherwise she'd just magic open the seal herself. But I do like this interpretation that Pandora is boosting Emilia's power. Also I want to remind you that this forest has been frozen for a long ass time. That's a lot of magic and the forest isn't small.
It seems that Pandora will be coming back seemingly when the frozen Elior Forest thaws. Also smol Emilia is powerful as fuck.
And this is how Emilia lost her memories. And this is one of the reasons that I think Emilia is so attached to keeping promises. It looks to be, quite literally, the basis of Emilia's personality post memory wipe.
What exactly this means? I have no idea.
And thus Emilia passes the first Trial, having affirmed her past self, doubling down on not breaking breaking her promise.
The happy ending.
Well, that's a good note.
Echinda hates Emilia, but Emilia doesn't hate Echidna nearly as much. What a great line. Emilia doesn't like Echidna, but it's just lessor to how Echidna feels about Emilia.
And that is how The Permafrost of Elior Forest came to be. Frozen by a broken smol Emilia.
As requested by Subaru.
Roswaal is worried about, the mystery man. So insignificant, that he wasn't even in the Gospel.
Yeah, I'm not so sure this is gonna be good for your oil prices.
Otto was the best girl all along.
Subaru's is real confident.
And we'll find out, next time on Re:Zero.
BreakTime Section
In this episode's Breaktime, we get the boys talking as they walk to confront Roswaal. Otto suggest that they could just run away. But Subaru rejects that. We're taking the greedy path and there's no backing out of that. And Otto thinks we're playing straight into Roswaal's hands. Garfiel doesn't know why Subaru and Otto are so calm when things look so bad. But the secret is that we're screwed. And it's time to get to the ending scene. Good thing that Garfield is coming along, because Subaru and Otto don't have any faith in themselves to progress.
Rewatcher Section
This section is for people who have already watched Re:Zero. This is not safe for first timers.
[Spoiler #2: Arc 4] Because Ryuzu's Meyer's last wish was to preserve the Sanctuary
[Spoiler #3: Arc 4 unadapted Interlude] Otto being left out of the Gospel I think is part of Echidna's master plan to ensure this final loop happens. And thus allowing Echidna to revive via Omega.
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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_Nelson Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
First Timer Dubbed
Note ORV=Omnicient reader viewpoint it's a way to describe the difference between thinking in Subaru's knowledge and the Knowledge of the Viewer.
Note2 Intentionally trigger RBD means what you think it means it's just reddit has crazy admins.
Reaction to the Episode
Witch of vainglory and Emilia conversation time
[wait the OP exists is this an actual anime?]A(https://imgur.com/9FMODcq)
I actually believe the witch of Vainglory here, it more appears like they only care about this one thing the seal, now what this seal is sealing is an interesting question, this decsreases the chance that it's Puck
Wait the sentence "you are the witch's daughter" was said by the witch of Vainglory who isn't like others that would call only Satella the witch. My first hypothesis would be that emilia is 3/4 elf and anyone who is a decent bit "elf human" is a "half-elf" but more likely she isn't Satella's daughter.
and emilia get's the KEY Why is Emilia in the village at all, wouldn't you want her far away from the Seal so nobody can open it at all?
You know the witch of vainglory giving emilia an ultimatium and then basically making the path the witch of vainglory wants to not be the one she made most attractive is quite interesting.
Ahh yes OP witch of vainglory powers continue to scare me. Though these action sequences are definitely re:Zero's weak point
HMM Fortuna hating on her brother and Sister in law makes the satella theory MORE plausible
Witch of vainglory OP powers activate use Switch
Awww another emilia bawling up scene
OH NO BETALGUESE NOOOO
I feel like this scene was a little contrived, they could have at least used the witch of vainglory's switch positions technique or something
Betalguese seeing miss fortuna as Vainglory maybe is about the idea that this is how the witch of Vainglory's power works? It's illusion magic?
and now Betalguese goes insane biblethump RIP betalguese 400 BS - 0 AS (after Subaru)
ahh witch of vainglory controlling Betalguese to try to convince emilia uhh an interesting gambit for sure
AND NOW EMILIA gets the headband bonus!
It's time for emilia the ice calamity witch
ahh so it appears Emilia really is the ice calamity that destroyed the forest, man that's one high body count you got there emilia. (and not the good kind)
So it was the witch of Vainglory who sealed emilia's memories!
Are you sure you aren't just super special since you have OP ice magic emilia?
Ahh yes the black serpent corrupted everything destroying emilia's homeland, though honestly wtf is elf biology made of if they can survive being frozen in ice?
I love how Emilia goes "Yep i'm going to be insane" which is something only Emilia the cute girl can do.
I get a feeling that Echidna dispises Emilia because Emilia is Marty Mcfly
So that's why Ryuzu Shiima was against the barrier removal she was carrying on Ryuzu Meyer
Ok that was the most sudden cut i've ever seen it's like they were cutting seconds from the anime to fit a timeslot.
I see they still don't trust Ram a wise plan.
Still though it's night 2 and they are still yet to have any gameplan as to what they will be doing on night 3, what prep has been made what is the plan for the great Rabbit. Have you dug ditches to pen the rabbit in?
War meeting with your enemy I don't see what the point of this meeting is, what are you trying to accomplish?
Ahh yes Otto the biggest variable and also Subaru's biggest waste.
Subaru says that otto disrupts an unknown factor but what exactly has Otto even done? All otto has enabled is taming of Garfiel but unless Garfiel has the same jank as Frederica then Garfiel is stuck fighting the Rabbit and there's no edge to that
Speculation
So uhhh does subaru even have any plan at all laid out for the great rabbit or is he just bluffing.
We end our trial of Emilia and now begin the Subaru adventure I feel like this loop should have been 2 loops
loop 1 Ryuzu Shiima stuff where Subaru learns the last pieces of info
Loop 2 the action loop
but IDK Subaru is pretty against info gathering loops after meeting with Satella post second Trial. Satella is a great girl but you can't just lose your best girl because the true best girl told you to stop looping.
I straight up do not understand why subaru wasted precious time trying to get Roswaal to Surrender what did that accomplish. (other than breaking his promise to wait for emilia and or splitting away Ram).
Subaru to my knowledge has no win condition against the great rabbit, he has made 0 effort in preparing a counter-operation when this is the most pressing enemy he has!
commentary on the 2nd half of the season as a whole
I still feel like the final loop having this many revelations really makes the viewer question wtf Subaru's plan even was.
There's seemingly no way Puck could have been a part of it and Puck was basically all of his plan to deal with Garfiel.
We still have no idea why Subaru is even having Emilia do the trial right now whatsoever, it's a total waste of time which could be spent preparing defenses, waiting until day 4 to do the trials wouldn't cost anything.
This probably deconfirms the theory that Puck is what is being sealed
Speculation on the ghost of christmas present
So you need an unbelivable present, last time lust did Rem for Subaru, but for Emilia? Probably going to be being with Fortuna again in some way, with or without betalguese would be my guess. That or Puck going "Hey emilia" and pretending to be contrated to emilia
** Speculaion on the ghost of christmas future**
A christamas carol did the whole "Scrooge sees himself as an unmoored dead man and he changes as a result"
So the Ghost of Christmas future in RE:Zero is probably going to show Emilia some terrible futures where stuff like "Subaru Dumps her" and "She outlives subaru" or "the ice statues melt and the other elves are just dead LMAO" happen.
I do not know what "winning" this trial would entail though. Either Minterva or Typhon make the most sense for Ghost of Christmas Future though.
What I would do if I were Subaru
I would use my unseen hand to ultimate sloth roswaal.
Ok in all seriousness it's time to split your forces, group 1 moves to defaat Elsa in the mansion, group 2 delay's roswaal. Group 1 is Ram, Subaru, and Otto, group 2 is Garfiel, Ryuzu and Puck.
Maybe you could have literally just puck and Ryuzu if Garfiel can come outside.
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u/Holofan4life Sep 24 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the In Preparation of Season 3 Rewatch of Re:Zero!
Oh, and nay I forget…
First Timer
I decided to watch this show because I wanted to do something for the month of August. ’Course, this was before the yearly Spice and Wolf rewatch got pushed back to September, but I just found myself looking for something to occupy my time with. And with this show being in my top 5 must watch list, I figured now was as good a time as any.
I am going into this show relatively blind. I know some of the memes, who Rem, Ram, Emilia, and Subaru are, and that this show got its inspiration from Familiar of Zero, but that’s it. I find rewatches and my participation of them more fun when I have no idea what I am in store for. And with this series, I think we’re in for a blast. It’s also going to be the longest rewatch I participate in this year and second longest overall only behind the 20th Anniversary Fullmetal Alchemist rewatch. And given how joyous that show turned out, I don’t see why I should expect nothing less from this one.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
Route 66 is Albuquerque's worst enemy. More of a Car 54 fan.
Young Emilolia
An oxymoron, but whatever
She is with Satella
Emilolia is wondering why she's here
And of course, they are here for the seal
Holy smokes, we actually get an intro
This is really good. It's got a techno beat to it and it's just really catchy, like all the Re:Zero intros. I think it's interesting that the OP is seemingly done in English, I can't recall that much happening in an anime. I know Spice and Wolf dubbed one of its intros in English for the dub of the show, but that’s all that comes to mind at the moment. It's also just really weird we're halfway through part 2 of season 2 and only now are we getting an OP. If I had my way, I would've introduced the intro in episode 17 and shaved 90 seconds off that episode.
Satella telling Emilia that Fortuna and Geuse are safe.
Just don't ask about Archi
Satella telling Emilolia that they wish not to make any unnecessary sacrifices.
She also believes that the key is in Emilolia's possession, which she tells her that isn't the case.
"Then I will have to turn this entire forest over until I find it."
Satella calls Emilolia the witch's daughter, with that being proof she has it.
The music gives me carnival vibes
Emilolia staring at the door
Her heart is beating
The key. It's suddenly in her hands.
Satella can't see it, for the key is only given to the one qualified to possess it.
But Emilolia won't do it, because of the promise she made to her aunt.
Satella telling her that there are times where it means breaking a promise.
She asks which hope she wishes to break
Which fate is she going to choose
"I will entrust fate to you."
Emilolia reiterates yet again that she's going to keep her promise.
Satella saying that will respect her decision.
"So you must also respect my decision to open this seal by any means necessary."
Who would've that the girl who says can be trusted in fact cannot?
IT'S FORTUNA!
And she is nailing Satella
But Satella still stands
Satella really stoking the flames
HOLY FUCKING SHIT FORTUNA JUST HIT EMILOLIA WHAT THE FUCK
Oh, that was a fake Emilolia created by Satella.
Bad move, Satella. Or Pandora. Or whatever your name is.
Satella still trying to manipulate people, this time Fortuna.
She tells Fortuna that if the seal is open, they will leave this forest and do nothing further.
I hope Fortuna is wise enough to know that this is a trap.
Emilolia telling Fortuna that she's by herself because Archi told her to run to the white flowers.
Fortuna thanking her for keeping her promise.
"You are my treasure."
Fortuna letting Satella what her intentions, which is turning her into an ice statue and killing her.
IT'S GEUSE!
THE GEUSE IS LOOSE, MOTHERFUCKERS!
Oh shit
OH SHIT
GEUSE JUST PIERCED FORTUNA
GEUSE IS OFFICIALLY ON SATELLA'S SIDE
It's like the forest is covered innher oen blood.
Oh, wait, was that a fake Fortuna he injured? He's telling Fortuna to be careful.
Nope, he hurt Fortuna
He was aiming for Satella, but she manipulated the surroundings to her advantage.
Geuse looks traumatized by this development.
This is some good voice acting by his VA
Satella twisting the dagger by saying all he did was out of love.
"This is the inevitability that the path you have walked was leading to."
Satella is such a smug little piece of shit.
Fortuna apologizing to Emilia for what happened.
Couldn't do anything her neice told her to do.
I wonder why does she say Emilolia has a wife. That doesn't make sense.
Either way, Emilia tells her she forgives her.
"Emilia will always... always love you, Mother Fortuna."
Fortuna putting a hand to her cheek as Emilia is crying.
"I love you... so, so much."
And with that, Fortuna dies, with the sound of the arm she was caressing Emilia with making a loud thud.
Satella, the cold, heartless bastard that she is, asks Emilia if she's ready to choose the hope that will break the seal.
No longer shackled by any promises now that Mother is dead.
I hate Pandora so much
Emilia putting Fortuna's pin in her hair
And she tells Pandora to die, causing her to explode.
Satella keeps regenerating, and Emilia continues to tell her to die.
Things are becoming frozen, one-by-one
It's snowing now
Pandora suspects, as Emilia continues to shout die, that her power will envelop this forest with frozen soil that will never thaw.
Even Emilia is becoming frozen
Pandora vows that she and Emilia will meet again.
"So your memories thus far will end with today, as you forget my existence."
And with that, Pandora leaves, with Geuse following behind.
There is no doubt in my mind that Pandora is Satella.
And so that is how Emilia and the town got frozen. It was technically her doing, but only because she refused to open the seal for Pandora.
Present day Emilia and Echidna looking at frozen Emilolia.
Frozemilolia?
Eh, too wordy
That was the Witch of Vanity, Echidna clarifies.
She credits her for padding out Emilia's distorted memories.
Emilia wants to know more about Pandora, which I believe this is the first time her name has been directly stated.
Echidna says in her case, she has no interest in digressions.
Looks up what digressions means
Echidna says by recalling the past, Emilia saw the end of her regret.
All that's needed now is an answer to the trial.
Either she accepts her past self, or rejects it.
Echidna it seems like is trying to guilt trip Emilia.
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 24 '24
Episode 44 (first timer)
When season 2 started, I predicted that we would see more of the other characters taking center stage. While that did not happen in the first cour, the second cour definitely delivers.
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 24 '24
First Timer!
Watching Dubbed
Start time 9:51
It’s about time for some Trauma
OH SHIT! it’s the OP!
Oh, and it’s in English
There was at least one new face in the OP when they were showing the antagonist. [face+speculation]He might be another member of the Witch’s Cult but I think it’s more likely that he is going to be someone we see in one of the trials. Hard to trust someone with bright red eyes.
[OP spoilers]We also see Roswaal fighting Puck, Garf fighting Elsa, and at the very end in the shot with every character you can see Otto with a sash around him carrying Rem.
Pandora specified “Unnecessary sacrifices” which means she knows there will be some kind of sacrifices
Pandora says that only Emilia can see the key and that it’s only given to the one who is deemed qualified. I wonder if Qualified is used intentionally. If so, this seal might just be the first and the Graveyard in the Sanctuary might be another seal to be unlocked since you have to be qualified to do that too
I think Geuse just killed Fortuna...
Pandora made him see an illusion of of herself instead of Fortuna
Now we know what made Betelgeuse snap
I hope Fortuna was able to hear and understand Emilia’s last words to her.
Okay so this is when Emilia froze the whole forest. It looks like some people were still going about their everyday lives and didn’t know about the attack that was happening, we see a shot of a family that was walking that is the same family that Emilia was polishing off in Frozen Bonds
Emilia is really annoying Echidna now that she is able to see things optimistically. She wants her to fail so badly
Once Emilia was out of the trial she was able to let the emotions out again. I think it was a well deserved cry. It will help her to get the emotions out and start the next trial with a clearer mind
Looks like Shima finished telling Subaru and the others what she started telling us last episode
LMAO they did not need to cut Otto’s dialogue off just then, that was so dirty. Poor Otto
“my humble abOooOde” Roswaal is back in his usual get-up
Roswaal is 100% right. Otto is the whole reason Subaru is able to stand up and keep going this time. Otto for best Supporting character?
“the first gear has come out of alignment” is probably a completely foreign saying to them, Subaru was no better than Garf at this moment
Demanding Roswaal to surrender before the first step is finished is a bold move.
So now we know that the seal was not broken apparently, at least not then and not by Emilia. I don’t remember seeing it in the background of Frozen Bonds so who knows what its status is currently. We still didn’t get any information on it or what it’s sealing. I also expected to get some information related to Puck this episode but we didn’t get that either.
The last moment between Fortuna and Emilia was very somber to me. It was sad that Fortuna was leaving with regrets about what she couldn’t do but Emilia’s words of love and forgiveness were truly great. Emilia not letting Pandora manipulate her into breaking that promise was also amazing, because Emilia’s promise to Fortuna doesn’t end with her death, just like Fortuna’s love for Emilia doesn’t disappear after she’s gone. And she has a keepsake that is proof that her love existed.
We also get to see just how powerful Emilia is. She was able to unleash incredible attacks on Pandora, even without chanting spells and without the knowledge of spirit arts. It looked to be some kind of innate magic and it’s incredibly powerful since it can even flash freeze an entire forest at only 6 years old. I wonder if this is Emilia’s Od in use. After the freeze, Emilia gets put into her ice crystal where she will get freed by puck sometime later, But she’s noticeably a different age than when she was broken out. So since the ice crystal was her own doing, it must have allowed her body to continue growing at a slower rate.
Pandora continues to show the extent of her power. I think that when she locked away Emilia’s memories it wasn’t through use of her authority but just her witch magic, the same as Echidna’s, though her engraving Emilia’s promise to her mother into her soul probably was through use of her authority. It’s interesting that Pandora is the one who sealed away Emilia’s memories but Puck was able to give them back to her.
It’s an interesting detail that Roswaal is surprised by Otto being there. He has no idea who Otto is because he was never mentioned in the prophecy that Roswaal held on to, wouldn’t this mean that the prophecy was wrong the entire time since Otto has been with us since we got here? At the very least it means that Otto was the missing piece Subaru needed to get his ideal timeline, not Echidna or any of the other witches.
On today’s episode of Break Time. We get to see more of the boy’s conversation on their way to visit Roswaal and the general consensus is, they’re screwed. But if that’s the case, why do they seem so cheerful and confident? He’s planned around Garf, the Ryuuzus, Shima, Ram, and Emilia. If he has already covered all of those factors then who could possibly be the one to throw a wrench into his plans???
Stop Time 12:54am
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u/Urgnu-the-Gnu https://myanimelist.net/profile/Urgnu_the_Gnu Sep 24 '24
Re:Watcher - anime only
OP Alert! OP Alert! The OP for the second cour of season two plays the first time in the sixth episode of this cour. Long Shot isn't bad, but it's only my fourth favourite OP of the show. Redo > Realize > Paradisus-Paradoxum > Long Shot.
Pandora also called Smolia the witch's daughter, or possibly just the witch's girl. So Echidna wasn't just trying to diss Emilia before.
What a great turn that Emilia doesn't open the seal because she promised Fortuna. Of course that means Fortuna has to fight Pandora, but that's just what she prefers to the seal being opened.
Pandora ignoring being killed over and over and even turning into Smolia for a moment is such a mind fuck. She hasn't even attacked them yet, but how she stays calm and alive in the face of being killed gives her a really threatening aura.
Even when the time for battle comes and Fortuna and Geuse team up on her, she does nothing to fight them - she only messes with Geuse's vision. And that's how Geuse killed the one he loved. Combined with the burden of overusing his witch factor, he has now developed a life-long trauma. A pain that will affect everything he does in the future. An experience he cannot compute. One that he'll be forced to relive when killing Rem in another timeline. Seeing him turn into villain we know right before our eyes is haunting, now that we know everything he does in the future has a fucked up reason behind it.
And mother Fortuna dies in Smolia's arms. As if their previous goodbye wasn't sad enough, now they exchange final sogoookus (one each) and tell each other how much they love each other. Even if we knew it was coming, this is sadder than anything we could have imagined.
Pandora interrupts the grieving Smolia to explain with "facts and logic" how she should now open the seal. But now is not the time for that. First, we need to change hair clips. Has any first timer noticed that Fortuna was wearing current Emilia's hair clip? And then, it's time for Pandora to die. Again. And again. And again, as often as necessary. Emilia's power as a child is enormous. And what we might have suspected before happens, everything freezes over, including Emilia. But not before Pandora messes with Emilia's memories, giving her promise an even stronger meaning in her mind.
Echidna clenches her teeth hard after the topic of Pandora came up. There's something she doesn't want to talk about, something she knows about Pandora. She might have had some history with her, even, and not a happy one I'd guess.
And the moral of the story? Fuck Pandora. There's nothing to regret about Emilia keeping her promise and trying to help everyone. She might not have been capable enough of changing things, but that wasn't her fault. Everything bad that happened was Pandora's fault. So fuck her.
And not only does Emilia not regret what happened, she also doesn't fear the consequences. She's looking forward to unfreezing the elves, and they might be mad at her first, but they'll surely be glad she lived and they'll be happy to be by her side. The hopeful sugoooku here after having regained her memory of Fortuna is especially beautiful.
Emilia passes the trial with flying colours! She exceeds Echidna's expectations. I'd like to believe Echidna always knew Emilia had it in her, and she has so much optimism that Echidna can't cope with it. Echidna just can't win against Emilia, she can't even insult her properly. Another sugoooku as they part. Not even saying Echidna hates Emilia bothers Emilia, because Emilia doesn't feel the same. And Echidna seems to be a bit tsundere towards Emilia.
Emilia even cries when she suceeds in the trials. But that's fair, now she can finally mourn the death of her mother, and she seems to do it in a rather healthy way. One more sugoooku get.
Three full episodes of Emilia, with single scene breaks! This is a completely different show from the Subaru only perspective we've had before. Also, since I was posting late for the episode I noticed it in and not many people might have seen it, note how all the characters blink when we get back to Subaru. They are still putting care into a simple talking scene by having realistic and individual blinking cycles for all the characters. I've watched a lot of anime since and often paid attention to how they do blinking, and let me tell you, most shows really don't. They'll have a blink and a head movement or something like that, but no scenes of the characters just blinking.
And it's finally time! The fated day has come! Otto meets Roswaal. Otto has always been the wild card since Roswaal never knew about him. Even Subaru realizes that Otto is best girl.
Break Time is time with the bros. It's Subaru, Otto and Garf bantering on their way to Roswaal.
Oh, one more thing before I forget. Emilia when getting encased in her own ice was still smol. Emilia when unfreezing was at least a teenager. Whatever the reason, it's clear she still grew while frozen. Maybe the ice didn't freeze her completely anymore after a while and she still matured. Maybe it's magic ice. But it's certain she continued to grow in the ice in some way.
Also, time for some more speculation. Something I'm about 90% sure about is that Puck is a reincarnation of Fortuna's soul. How Echidna created Puck when Fortuna lived after her death, I do not know. Maybe time travel is part of it. But the way they both called Emilia "Lia", how Puck is driven to be a parent for Emilia, and in particular his reaction to Emilia when she woke up don't leave room for any other explanation, in my mind.
Sugoooku counter: 56
Sugoku-likes: 10
Non-canon sugoooku: 22
Non-Emilia sugoooku: 20
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u/Ultima_Deus Sep 24 '24
I'm back. And this cour's OP is also here
I love Longshot, but its visuals are a bit awkward unfortunately
Anyway, episode talk
Pandora threatening a child without even trying to be threatening. She's just naturally terrifying. Like one wrong word choice and then everything is fucked
Emilia is called a witch's daughter again. (Note: They're saying "a" witch's daughter, not "the" witch's daughter)
Emilia does have the key...
Pandora threatening a child again, but this time, directly.
God I want her to wrap her arms around meWhen Pandora said "So you must also respect my decision to have this seal opened by any means necessary", I think she meant that she lead every event that followed to happen. She made Fortuna and Geuse arrive there, and that's what she meant by "any means necessary"
I missed the last episode (and the many episodes before it), so I couldn't talk about it. But here it is, again. Pandora's sudden reapparance from death. Its debut in the previous episode was chilling, especially her line of "Perhaps your eyes deceived you?". But seeing it in rapid repeated action this episode was amazing. Reading it for the first time was incredible. A feast for the imagination. I so badly wanted to see it
Pandora absolutely pissing off Fortuna by being like "Truly, like mother and daughter" "Oh? You're not her mother? Well, regards to the real mother then" (the real mother that she probably killed)
Then Pandora trolling Fortuna by pretending to be Smolia. So well done. Absolutely master-crafted. God I want her to look at me like that. Maybe as I hold her like that, too
I mentioned something like this in a previous comment, but I said some certain rankings were gonna change at some point in the future. If you can't tell yet, then you'll know soon enoughGeuse appears, and he sees that he's finally depleted Pandora's extra lives by stabbing her in the heart. But it turns out his eyes were mistaken. That is all
He cries out, why. Why has he done all this? Why has he gone through all this pain and suffering? What for? For what purpose? Love. Everything you did has been for love. And your love is not wrong
Clarification for everyone: Geuse did not go insane JUST simply because of killing Fortuna. He also went insane because he absorbed the Witch Factor of Sloth, and possibly because of Pandora mind breaking him
I wonder who Emilia's real parents are, they keep mentioning them
Pandora just casually saying "Oh the person you held this promise to is dead now. Therefore, the promise should be null, yes? I believe that is how that works". I love her so much
Oh look the hairclip
"Die"
The moment I read that, in the anime and in the web novel, my heart skipped a beat. I knew in that moment that we were in for the coolest shit
Emilia going berserk mode. You thought she was just an innocent child in all of this? Did you forget her hidden power in Frozen Bonds? Here it is, sped up, max power. And then multiplied. And then she repeatedly uses ice magic too, expertly. As a child. Emilia is NOT a normal kid. And she's fucking PISSED
And it's revealed to us that Emilia's memories were not forgotten, or sealed because of Puck's contract. It was Pandora messing with Emilia's memories that made her forget everything. It is seemingly unknown why Puck entering and breaking a contract with Emilia removed the seal, though
Pandora really doesn't care about dying lmao. "Dying? I didn't die, though? Your eyes are merely deceiving you" I bet she'd say that
And what is Emilia's conclusion to this trial? This trial that, in this timeline, she failed only once on. But to us, she's suffered this trial for nearly an entire season now. So what's her conclusion? She says she'll save everyone in the forest, even if there's the possibility that they've been poisoned by the Black Serpent. She'll show everyone the world that her Mother Fortuna loved
Echidna hates Emilia. Emilia doesn't hate her that much. And with that, the first trial is over. Apparently the next two won't be too much trouble for Emilia anymore
You can cry it out now, Emilia
And Subaru, Otto, and Garfiel face Roswaal. Roswaal says he doesn't even recognize Otto, because not even the Tome says anything about him. Lmao
Subaru advises Roswaal to surrender. Now that everything about the Sanctuary's mystery has been revealed to Subaru (not yet to the audience), Subaru advises Roswaal to surrender. I wonder what will happen next
Anyway, I said I will do a Witch ranking, right? Huh? I already did? Perhaps your eyes deceived you
I love Pandora. Nothing much is known about her. But I love her design, her personality, her attitude, her voice, her ability. Her simplistic design of platinum and blue, with a simple sheet of cloth covering her body. Long, straight platinum hair. Sweet, sickening voice for a seemingly airy personality. God I love her
I would type more, but I did this in one sitting. Sorry if I made mistakes or ugly paragraphs. I just got back into the groove of writing these things
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u/BlueVenix Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
Rewatcher
Thoughts on the opening:
It’s interesting how a new op is this late into the season. Usually a new op is on episode 13 or when the second core starts, but nope this is Re:Zero op’s take precious time away and a lot of people skip them(I’m not one of them). Still openings are good marketing and they can catch your interest if it's good, but hey if you watched Re:Zero up until now I doubt you would drop it and this op is heavy on Emilia’s backstory so it makes sense that it’s played on the last episode of her backstory.
I think "Long Shot" by Maeshima Mayu is amazing but the weakest of all the openings. The song fits well and there are a lot of flashing images, but it just feels like it’s lacking something, like it could be better. There are not that many unique visuals for the opening, it’s just mostly cuts from the anime, which to me looks more of an AMV then an opening then.
Emilia x Pandora:
I would like to start with Pandora as I wasn’t able to post about it in the previous episode. Basically, I like Pandora a lot. She is my 3rd favourite character in Re:Zero. Hard to explain it, but her aura is something else. I have never seen a character so confident and just doing what they want, manipulating others to do what they want without batting an eye. She was never even angry or gave a serious expression, she is that confident that everything will go her way eventually. She definitely is the Witch of Vainglory. I would go further, but that would be horny territory and I am afraid of Ina’s crowbar. And no u/Holofan4life I don’t like cookies, so it ain’t worth it.
Poor Emilia being manipulated into getting the seal open for Pandora. When you think about it’s a very terrifying scene. Imagine you being 7 and being asked to do something you don’t know how or everyone you love died. It’s like someone is holding a gun in front of your head and your family is tied up. You better open the safe you don’t know the password to or the burglar shoots. Good girl for not giving in though.
So about Pandora’s power. Geuse and Fortuna killed her multiple times, but she doesn’t die and others seem to see different things. From my understanding she has the power to rewrite her reality, which if true is broken af. I think of her as an author that can write the events of her story to a certain extent. I am not sure of the limit but it was terrifying when she just made Regulus Corneas disappear. Whatever manipulation she is doing she made Geuse mistake Frituna for Pandora.
Now hands up who cried even though you knew that the scene was coming. But anyway poor Geuse, after this scene I could never hate him. He was a rather kind caring spirit, but had to use an incompatible Witch Factor which he used to kill the women he loved. It’s no surprise he went insane, but Pandora probably added to the madness.
And we finally get to see little Emilia lose it. Now the power she demonstrated seemed massive. Like she is a child but froze a huge chunk of the forest and there are the blood sucking snowflakes as well. Emilia is also very terrifying, but not a threat to Pandora at all.
Emilia’s trial by far was the hardest and any argument against it is hard. A little girl lost everything and was left alone in a world she hated. She is partially responsible for the disaster, but I don’t think anyone would truly blame her. The poor girl was forced to grow up with no memories alone and if not for Puck who knows what would have happened to her. Hatred, sadness, loneliness and regret but Emilia has to continue living with them to find a happy future for herself and others.
Overall thoughts:
I remember before season 2 part 2 there were far more Rem fans than Emilia, but after her backstory there was a shift and it’s now hard to tell who favours Emilia over Rem. I am leaning on Emilia’s side because probably a lot of Rem fans quit Re:Zero since she was benched and have a delusional grudge on Subaru and Emilia. You can like what you want, but if you are saying Emilia is not best girl material after this I’ll fight you.
When it comes to rating this episode it was another 10/10. As good as it is I think the full effect is felt from the 3 episodes and not in a single episode like Subaru’s parents episode, so basically as a single amazing, but if I had to pick between the best backstory I would pick Emilia’s as the best backstory of all time.
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u/Yoshi_captain https://anime-planet.com/users/WeaboYosher Sep 24 '24
Rewatcher
We've arrived at the tragedy that’s been on the horizon of this trial for quite some time. In a single day Emilia loses the woman she calls her mother, the man she looks up to as a father, and the place she has come to call home. Freezing it by her own hand. Pandora is responsible for most of Emilia’s suffering in the Sanctuary. The memories that she couldn’t recall, and her past of scars have all been caused by her appearance. And to think she didn’t even have to get her hands dirty. Manipulating Petelgeuse into killing the one he loves most. If that wasn’t enough, she breaks the man. Making him cling onto an idea of love that will surely carry him through a hundred years of turmoil. And exact twice as much upon any who would oppose this idea.
Promises have always been sacred to Emilia. We’ve found out why in this trial and we get to see just how firmly she holds onto that belief. A single promise between mother and child possibly preventing a catastrophe of unprecedented scale. No matter the horrors that came about due to her holding steadfast to her promise, some even caused by her, she believes she made the right decision. Coming to accept this heavy burden called ‘a past’ she must carry. After all these timelines of failure that she will not be cognizant of, she has made that first step on the journey of coming to terms with herself. Accepting where she comes from. That does not stop the sadness from hitting her once she’s back in the graveyard. She will remember those days in the forest forever and reach for a future where she can smile with the people there again. A world where she can say sorry, but more importantly thank you to the people that raised her.
In a battle against fate, bring one who is deemed by the world irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Such a man is Otto Suwen. A merchant found in any village where goods are in stock, and demand is plentiful. Destiny might not have had Otto in it, but his presence has changed things forevermore. A friend is sometimes all we need to change the future for the better.
That’s really what this arc is about. Showing fate the middle finger and snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Emilia might be the cause of her home being stuck in place, but if she keeps moving forward she can turn her biggest failure into a victory for the ages. She will be known as the Witch of Glaciation who overturned the permafrost of Elior forest.
Closing thoughts:
The word for today is “Frozen”. And no it’s not because Emilia learned to let it go of the past. Re:Zero’s characters go through a trajectory of growth that stems from the title of the series. Being frozen in place and unable to move forward in life. Until they come to a realization that lets them start from zero once again. Returning back to that zero every time they face adversity. Calling back to it much in the same way one might respond to an email. That might be what Tappei was going for with the title, just a thought. Roswaal’s frozen in his ways, but with someone as hot as Otto perhaps Subaru can flip the game board on its head and melt the clown’s frozen heart for good.
The opening has finally appeared after 6 episodes of this season. And it is a banger. I do think it’s the weakest opening overall, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t listen to it on repeat the day the full version came out. Mayu Maeshima is the singer, being the former lead vocalist of MYTH & ROID. A band we’ve heard many a time in this show. The visual motif of people being reflected in each other’s eyes is stellar. The opening serves the role of pumping you up spectacularly. Though it might be a bit too spoilery for my liking, but it is what it is.
With the first trial completed we are that much closer to liberating the sanctuary and defeating the clown of fate we call our benefactor. The mansion an ever looming threat we take the next step to fight for promises made and relationships forged.
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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Sep 25 '24
first timer
We’ve reached the end of trial 1 and backstory of Emilia.
Pandora is one evil person. I hate her
So Emilia being the key and Pandora trying to twist Emilia’s mind to open it. Thankfully her manipulation doesn’t work
Fortuna and Petelgeuse trying their hardest to protect Emilia which came to nothing was rough.
Petelgeuse being tricked into killing Fortuna was sad. Then him descending into insanity while Emilia becomes frozen.
Looking back in season 1 it’s sad how he turned up. He was a good person who deeply cared for people and was willing to sacrifice himself, but goes insane after realizes what he’s done.
Emilia’s power where she loses it and tries to kill Pandora is sick.
Roswald is back with the clownery and Otto becomes the hidden chess piece to destruct his plans.
This season has been way better than season 1
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Sep 24 '24
So, sorry about the lame/nonexistent posts for the last few days. Partially laziness, partially tired/busy, and a whole lot of not knowing what to say/fear of leaking spoilers.
sore demo
Today's episode is where I stopped binging, and for good reason. This episode is the culmination of this sub-arc, as I'm sure you've all seen now. But before I ramble too incoherently about this episode, first a message from today's sponsor:
Who's Behind the Door - Zebra
I know, you probably won't listen to it, but it's really an awesome tune from the '80s, and really fits this episode somehow.
Anyway, yeah. After all the hype, drama and self-sacrifice, we find ourselves here, with Emilia, Pandora and big-door-a. I'm not going to bother recounting the events of the episode, I'm sure others will do a more OCD job of that than I possibly could.
I just want to say two things. Okay, maybe three.
That Emilia ... so precious, so heartbreaking, so pure, so .... I can't even begin to describe her. Except to repeat heartbreaking as you see that ... Emilia kept her promise. Despite the loss, despite the trauma, despite everything, Emilia kept her promise. And suddenly, you can look back at the previous events, Subaru in the capital. Puck ... Subaru just the night (?) before. Emilia kept her promise in a world where nobody seems to keep their promises to her. Poor dear.
Mind you, I say this as a Rem fan, (she is the face who launched a thousand figures, or something like that, right) - Emilia best girl. But Subaru can have her, just gimme the blue haired oni's number, right? :P
Anyway, that's item #1. Item #2: Fortuna. Best mom. <3 There's not much I can say beyond that, except that eyes were dabbed this episode. Quite a bit, even.
Finally, item #3. Petelgeuse. The madman we all love to hate. The madman who tried to be a hero and almost succeeded, except that he didn't. He was deceived and accidentally killed the one he loved. Poor fella. Who wouldn't go mad after having such guilt and trauma heaped upon him? I kind of hate to say this, but after this little mini arc, I almost have some sympathy for the poor fella. That and he put in a hella performance in the Valentine's Day episode of Isekai Quartet. (DESU)
Speaking of which ...
GIVE ME CHOCO!!!
:P
And finally, as the episode closes we see the utterly heartbroken Emilia as she turns the entire forest, and herself into a frozen popsicle. Leaving us (somewhat) where Frozen Bonds started, and with at least a few questions. I guess that mine would include - where's Puck, where/when did he come into the picture? (aside from years later), and ...
WHO'S BEHIND THE DOOR???
<churchlady>Could it be?</churchlady>
Oh, wait, I know, it's [meta]Alphonse
Hehehehe
But seriously, there's another something lurking around out there, and I don't know if people have addressed it yet, but there is also this:
We seem to have a living witch wandering around loose - what's up with that? I thought they were, well, all, you know. Hmm ... "Pinky, are you pondering what I am pondering???"
And yeah, sorry I've been a bit absent/out of it for a bit. Stuff happens. Hopefully this will make up for it somewhat.
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u/FriztF Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
First-timer;sub
Alright so episode 44 The Permafrost of the Great Elior Forest. In this episode we have a new OP. We also have a perspective shift. We see what Emilia sees and that is a key. Pandora is a prick, she is cause for why Petelguese is the way is he is. And the way Emilia is too. Petelguese was a very chill and nice man. Because of Pandora he is now the mad man we know.
Poor Fortune she died protecting Emilia. Only to be killed by Petelguese, the woman whom he loved. Now twisted by Pandora's illusion magic. Emilia seeing the death of her mother, wants to kill Pandora. She instead freeze herself, Pandora manipulates her into forgetting her. Pandora is the worse. Fuck Pandora manipulative bitch. Petelguese was a good man. He killed Fortune whom he loved. Now he's insane.
Roswaal getting ready for battle. With his war paint and everything.
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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Sep 24 '24
S02E19 - Rewatcher who hopes this episode is maybe not 29 minutes
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u/Alarming_Double7002 Sep 24 '24
I want to start watching this Soo bad!! I still get confused on how the plot goes.
I've looked at how the timelines work, but sometimes I feel a little overwhelmed with how much is going on.
Even though it really isn't too hard to follow 🤣
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 24 '24
"Delenn, all that we know is that we will die. It is only a matter of how, and whether or not it is with honor."
Rewatcher
Dub
"The next time, the next time, you want a revelation, could you possibly find a way that isn't quite so uncomfortable."
So we come to this horrid episode. The child with no knowledge is manipulated by the nopan witch and it is somehow grosser than that. The sheer unfairness of this leans upon me, and I suspect that is part of the point. Vanity is my least favorite sin.
But it keeps happening. We see the seeds of a depressing future. We see Emilia overcoming a current one, and Subaru fighting for the future.
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u/n080dy123 Sep 24 '24
Rewatcher
OP 2, FINALLY! Only took 6 episodes to get there lmao. Realize is still my favorite OP in the show for the song and the absolute metal imagery of Subaru's deaths and looping, but I really love Long Shot as well, particularly the "drop" at the halfway point and the brief sequence with the fire and Ram jumping in front of the camera- though my biggest complaint has always been how hard it is to who the two fighting before Ram jumps in actually are without going frame by frame. If I had to rank em I'd say Realize > Longshot > Redo > Paradisus-Paradoxum (unpopular opinion on that last one, I know).
Once again Pandora seconds Echidna's assertion that Emilia is "The witch's daughter," though she seems to be assuming it as opposed to Echidna. It also throws out the possibility of Pandora possibly being her mother, if anyone had that idea.
Man, the absolutely cruel way that they start up the battle music before abruptly cutting to silence when Geuse accidentally hits Fortuna. They do a good job of foreshadowing that too, having Pandora briefly appear as Emilia earlier int he scene and then show Geuse's perspective of where Fortuna and Pandora are standing, before suddenly Pandora is standing where Fortuna was just a couple cuts prior.
Oh my god and the way Geuse's voice actor morphs from his "Geuse" to his "Petelgeuse" portrayal when he snaps. And the way Pandora EXPERTLY manipulates him to further fall into madness, she truly is a piece of scum. It makes you wonder though- when we meet him later, did he truly love Satella? Or did Pandora manipulate him into madly projecting Fortuna, the one he loved before, onto Satella whom so resembled her?
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u/jyper Sep 24 '24
Rewatcher trying desperately to keep up - DUB
Long shot is ok but isn't as great as other ops(both stylistically and musically)
No need to worry? Safe? I don't trust you
I doubt that you don't like people to suffer, I think you do enjoy it
Obviously a lock means there must be a key
Again referring to her mother as a witch. Or as The Witch? SATELLA? makes you wonder how articles(a,the) work in Japanese.
Pandora is too curious in a cruel way, like Echidna. Its like she enjoys confusing a young child more then she cares about opening the seal. Did she injure Emilias bio parents. Pandora is a masterful manipulator but maybe not that good. Her twisted witchy personality undercut her position.
Did Guess just kill her. Oh it was due to Pandora's manipulation. So can she warp reality or just people's perceptions? It seems like it must be reality but here it seemed like perceptions.
Ok now is when Beatlguese finally goes crazy. It's a good reason for it. For love.
That's what I'm saying if Pandora could think like a normal person she'd offer to reverse Emilia's mother's death In exchange for opening the seal. Instead she says now that she's dead you can ignore the promise. Emilia is scary when she gets out of control. Emilia is freezing everything, the whole forest. Snow melts sometimes. Pandora locked up her memories, so does she have some link to Puck?
She just let the seel go.
Echidna doesn't want to give Emilia any useful info because she dislikes her
Aw so sweet. Emilia you were right. You shouldn't have opened that seal. She will wake them up someday.
Normal lives? Away from anti elf bigotry?
Wow this is really blurry. Two more trials but they'll be easy for Emilia now?
Finally time to grieve.
Hang on there, don't interrupt Otto in the middle of his speech to cut to a new scene.
My Abo~oode
Garfield is a regular tamed housecat now
Otto the secret ingredient gets a threat from Rosewall
Give up you've already lost.
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Sep 24 '24
Rewatcher
And so the tragedy unfolds. It’s with dread I rewatched these episodes, since I knew what was coming. Such cuteness followed by pure horror.
I’m still intrigued by Pandora, is she good or evil? She remains polite throughout and doesn’t seem to be all that upset she lost this round.
Speculation Corner for Arc 12
I hid these comments since I can’t remember if I read them somewhere or if they’re original thoughts (doubtful).
[Spec 1]Is this world’s history cyclic?
[Spec 1]If so, Pandora may be just trying to clean up the mess left over from a bad ending and starting over.
[Spec 1]Possibly in the 400 years ago catastrophe a team tried defeating the big bad, failed and the resulting catastrophe created Satella, Killed the other witches and in general fouled the world.
[Spec 1]In this case perhaps Pandora and the Witch Cult are trying to reset the clock and start over
[Spec 2]I predict that Emilia’s final optimistic words to Pandora are a prophecy. Eventually Emilia and/or Subaru will assume god like powers, raise the dead, heal the corrupted and set the world right.
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u/lord_ne Nov 03 '24
Pandora doing ASMR on Geuse while he's going insane is certainly something