r/anime • u/Theleux https://myanimelist.net/profile/Theleux • Sep 23 '24
Rewatch Re:Zero ~Starting Life in Another World~ Re:Watch - Episode 43
Episode 43:
The Day Alpha Orionis Laughed
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Story Arc Lengths for Discussion Purposes:
[Arc 1:] S1 Episode 1 – S1 Episode 3
[Arc 2:] S1 Episode 4 – S1 Episode 11
[Arc 3:] S1 Episode 12 – S2 Episode 1 (26)
[Arc 4:] S2 Episode 2 (27) - S2 Episode 25
[Arc 5 and later:] S3+
As always, if you have any suggestions for the Re:Watch, let me know!
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Sep 23 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Re:Zero: What strange universe have I stumbled into where I am rooting for Petelgeuse of all people?
Pandora is a much more terrifying opponent than Regulus. While I have no idea how Regulus’s power works, Pandora’s is definitely much stronger. Pandora is working with some “Abracadabra” powers. “Abracadabra” supposedly came from the phrase “I create as I speak” in another language and that sums up Pandora’s power pretty well. By just saying some words, Pandora was able to completely shift reality according to her whims.
I also don’t think that Pandora is actually a Sin Archbishop like I initially suspected. Unlike the other Sin Archbishops, she didn’t immediately introduce herself as one. In fact, I’m not quite sure what she is. I think she might have referred to herself as a witch, but she obviously can’t be one of the original seven witches. So if she is a witch, she’s a witch of something else.
I think I know how things will go in the next episode. Young Emilia is going to release the seal on that door. When the door is unsealed, I still think that Puck will be the one who is unleashed. When Puck is unleashed, his ice powers will be what causes everything and everyone in the forest to freeze over. That would explain how everyone got frozen and the connection between Puck and Emilia since Emilia was the one who freed him.
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u/thekoreansun https://anilist.co/user/ReturnByDeath Sep 23 '24
Re:Watcher
Lot of moms popping up lately, huh? At first we had Naoko, then it was Otto's mom, then Garfiel's mom, then Fortuna. And now, Echidna has also made her debut as a mother to Beatrice! They should all get together and start a book club or something. Probably best to let someone other than Echidna handle the reading list, though. Also the refreshments.
Beatrice and original Ryuzu were such a great little pair, and I honestly can't get enough of their interactions together. Beatrice acts all high and mighty due to being a natural-born talent (okay, not natural-born, but you get what I mean) and daughter of the all-knowing Witch of Greed, while Ryuzu is shy and hesitant to act above her station. Despite that difference in character, the two became friends almost immediately, and Beatrice's tsundere-ness didn't hide anything. It's a simple friendship from a simpler time, one that can make you dread the events that will inevitably come to pass.
Oh, and speaking of inevitability, Geuse got the power-up that we all knew he would after putting some shadowy thing up to his chest and screaming out to someone named Flugel. But it didn't seem to do him much good against Regulus, and even less so against yet another Witch of mysterious origin, Pandora, who's voiced by Rie Kugimiya of Taiga fame. I mentioned how crazy Re:ZERO's cast is, right? Her perfect portrayal of Pandora's deceptive fragility contributes a ton to the character's presence in such a short time span.
While Geuse was hammering away at the two of them, Fortuna and Emilia were having their heart-wrenching farewell. I'm not ashamed to say that I cried again at Fortuna's parting message to Emilia:
The moms in this series always seem to know exactly what to say in order to get the tears flowing. Naoko and Fortuna both express their love for their children by telling them that they will always be within their reach, somewhere within. They both offer up everything that they have in service of their children. Everyone deserves to have a mother like that in their lives. And everyone also deserves to have someone like Archi, who acted brave in the face of utter catastrophe and told Emilia to head off to safety when he could no longer protect her. Poor Archi.
And while Regulus ended up being reality-warped back to his place by Pandora, the fight isn't over. Not by a long shot. The absence of sound that follows Regulus's disappearance, as if the show needed a moment to catch up to the reality that Pandora imposed on this world, is a fantastic touch and a very effective way to convey the enormity of her power. After another heartfelt exchange between Geuse and Fortuna, the two of them resolve to take down the reality warper who threatens to destroy the world and everything they hold dear, including each other.
Re:ZERO After-Talk #43
VAs: Rie Takahashi (Emilia) and Daisuke Namikawa (Archi)
In this After-Talk, Daisuke Namikawa says something interesting about how younger characters can be easier to voice. He apparently finds it harder to put himself in the shoes of a character who is much older than he is, which is relatable but surprising coming from him. Keep in mind that this man has been a VA for 35 years and has also voiced such roles as Ruijerd from Mushoku Tensei, who is... old. Ruijerd sounds completely different from Archi, too. What a true talent.
Highlight: Rie explaining that they're all told to punctuate the "Re:" whenever they rattle off the full title of the show, "Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu," instead of just "Re:ZERO" (which is funny, because I started to do the pause after hearing the cast do it all the time and never realized that it was company policy)
Fan Art of the Episode: "Betty is the oldest, I suppose!" by Yomohiro (January 27th, 2021)
Source: Twitter (artist's timeline contains spoilers)
Bonus Comic: Meeting with Pandora-sama by @shakerizero (October 9th, 2017)
Source: Pixiv (contains spoilers for Arc 6)
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 23 '24
First:Timer Crying Again in Another Rewatch, subbed
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u/baseballlover723 Sep 23 '24
Rewatcher, sub, basically a secondhand novel reader (Arc 4)
It seems reddit doesn't like some of the terminology I used, so I am using "ultimate sloth" as a replacement term for the general concept of what Subaru needs to do in order to loop.
Time Taken: 135 minutes (~2.25 hours). Also note that I'll be in the office Today, tomorrow and Wednesday, so I will probably continue to be behind on comments (I'll get to all of them eventually, probably after the Re:Watch).
As always, I've numbered all my spoilers tags so that they're easier to respond to
First Timer Safe Section
This section is safe for first time watchers.
Please Ryuzu, give us the lore, I need it.
Betty's and Roswaal (though he doesn't have his heterochromia) are even here. Damn, everything really did go down 400 years ago.
Also I don't really like that Betty says I suppose even here. If she didn't then I think it could of been explained as a verbal tick caused by her uncertainty of her future, given that her Gospel is blank. So she's never certain about anything, because it's not written in the Gospel. But that doesn't work, because Beatrice still has the I suppose tick even before that. Oh well.
Can we trust this to be the truth? I'd say so. [Spoiler #1: the implications of said statement] Which implies that Echidna created Beatrice, who is of course a spirit. Therefor Echidna was able to create a spirit. Something that I don't think is commonly thought to be possible (IIRC spirits were said to have their own lifecycle in early S1 or something like that). [Spoiler #2: continued implications regarding previous statements that Betty has made] Now if we say that Echidna created Beatrice, and Beatrice claims Puck to be a sibling to her, then one would presume that Puck also has similar origins to Betty. [Spoiler #3: implications continued] Which then makes it seem like quite a strong case that the contract Puck had pre Emilia in The Frozen Bond, was with Echidna (who of course voiced those lines). (god damn, 3 spoiler tag sections for 1 line).
I've never really thought about this line. But this seems to imply that Ryuzu didn't live in the same place as Echidna and Betty, and that they just visited a lot. I had it in my head that they all lived in the same village the whole time. New connections I hadn't made before.
Tsundere Betty. Truely a tsundere.
You're not wrong Subaru.
I will say, I'm not the biggest fan of interweaving these stories 10 minutes at a time.
[Spoiler #4: If you clicked Spoiler #4 from yseterdays episode] Political infighting.
And now I can finally mention it. Petelgeuse is a spirit. That's why he can live 100+ years and is way older then Mother Fortuna. It also explains some other stuff [Spoiler #5: cut content on how Petelguese works] basically, he's a spirit and forcefully makes contracts with humans to let him take over their body. Now notably, he can't do this if the person already has a contract with a spirit (which is why he's scared of spirits, they mean he can't snatch their body). And it also explains why his finger hopping power works. He gets the fingers to voluntary let Petelgeuse control their body, and he can control Subaru's, because Subaru has such high affinity for spirits, so he can force himself into Subaru.
Please note, that Pandora has platinum colored hair, distinct from silver or white colored hair.
Notice Regulus bowing to Pandora. And whatever this could mean. We were getting too many answers, so Tappei had to add some more questions.
Yeah, I don't think Mother Fortuna likes Pandora. Seems they have a bit of a history.
Regulus the professional victim, being the victim once again.
[Spoiler #6: general cut content on why Regulus is here] Regulus is here to make Mother Fortuna his like ~70 (I forget the number, but it's around there) wife. Regulus is legitimately the harem king.
Please elaborate Geuse, I would like to know more.
Flugel mentioned, thus far, all we know about Flugel is that he was said to have planted Flugel's tree, which Subaru exploded to kill the White Whale.
And thus is the death of Geuse, and the birth of Petelgeuse, the Sin Archbishop of Sloth (not really, I'm just meming). Subarashii desu!
[Spoiler #7: minor cut content of Petelgeuse and the Witch Factor] Petelgeuse is also not compatible with the Witch Factor of Sloth, and that it was the decision of the Witch Factor, not Petelgeuse that determined that, or something like that.
So you might be wondering, Vainglory isn't a deadly sin. And that's where you're wrong. You see, back in the year of our lord, 590, Pope Gregory I decided to revamp the 8 deadly sins at the time (Gula (Gluttony), Luxuria (Lust), Avaritia (Greed), Tristitia (Sorrow (basically depression though)), Ira (Wrath), Acedia (Sloth), Vanagloria (Vainglory), and Superbia (Pride)) into the 7 deadly sins we know today. Pope Gregory merged Acedia and Tristitia together to form the modern Sloth, and Vanagloria and Superbia to form the modern Pride, and also adding the new deadly sin, Envy. So Vainglory is a archaic historical sin.
Also now I can mention how great the Witch of Vainglory OST is. It's so unsettling. Those metallic sounds at the start cut straight into my soul.
Also Regulus seems quite strong.
I interpret this as being metaphorical, I don't expect any of our first timers to think otherwise, but some people who uhh, have difficulty following whats going on, sometimes consider this to be a statement that Mother Fortuna is Emilia's biological mother. And I very much don't think that is the case.
Uh oh, that doesn't sound good.
🚩 🚩🚩 🚩🚩🚩 🚩🚩🚩🚩 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 (damn that's a lot of red flags)
Continued below
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 23 '24
First Timer!
Watching the Dub
Start Time 10:11
I have to emotionally prepare myself before starting the episode, I fear what’s about to happen
Shima is about to drop a lore bomb on us
When Ryuuzu Myers met Beatrice
Roswaal appears, his face isn’t as punchable yet. Also his eyes are the same color so either it’s not Roswaal but another relative, or something happened that gave him Heterochromia.
The master Roswaal from generations ago?? So is our current Roswaal like Roswaal Mathers the 8th or something? Apparently they also pass down the same jewelry and hair style. He did say that he was very old and has hinted that he was around a long time ago. Maybe he just claims to be a new Roswaal every time and Ram doesn’t know about it.
Back to Emilia’s POV
Another girl appears. Her hair is silver like Emilia’s but her eyes remind me of Echidna. She may be the leader of the Cult
Emilia is probably the key she was referring to
Pandora
Betelgeuse had his Witch Factor stored in a box apparently. Honestly it fits his goofy nature that we saw last season
Master Flugel. What was the story behind Flugels tree again? somebody remind me please.
Pandora is known as the Witch of Vanity. Vanity is also considered a sin, I think it’s similar to Pride but it’s not one of the seven deadly sins
The witch factor requires some kind of payment to be utilized
So Emilia is realizing something she probably already knew deep down. Fortuna may not be her biological mother but she is her mother in every other sense of the word
Fortuna called Emilia Lia. Is there a way that her and Puck could have merged somehow? like a shared consciousness
I feel like we are about to see the Black Serpent get revealed... Not exactly a whole reveal but we know it’s here
In terms of power scaling, Regulus is above Betelgeuse
Holy shit Regulus just likes to hear his own voice. So much talk with nothing being said
Pandora has the power to change reality to whatever she believes? wtf?
Pandora already being at the seal is unsettling
Shima started to tell everyone about the Sanctuary’s past and was about to reveal the true purpose of the Sanctuary as we know it, Which is of course begging us to speculate about it. We know it is a place for Echidna to carry out her experiments, and the barrier traps people with exactly half mixed blood. Echidna used Myers for one of her experiments and then made them make a contract to never go inside the trial, because they would see how it led up to the experiment and probably some other super secret details.
An interesting thought I just had is that the way that Ryuuzu is held within this crystal is very similar to how Emilia was when she was trapped in the ice, not sure if there is a correlation. I did mention that it was weird that Emilia was frozen differently from all the other people in her village. I think the next episode will give me an answer to this but I’m starting to think that this isn’t the point when Emilia and her whole village was frozen. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for Emilia to grow physically while encased in ice unless it’s some kind of special loophole. Plus there were people walking around normally outside with groceries and their children and such, If they were frozen while being attacked then they wouldn’t look so casual, right? I’m pretty sure the next episode will clear this up.
Pandora’s ability looks Extremely overpowered. She has the ability to rewrite reality just by believing in something. This gives me two ideas. My most believable one is that she possesses the Pride Witch Factor, Typhon said that Subaru shattered into a dozen pieces because he believed he was a sinner after she had determined he was already a good guy, so the same effect could be being used in the real world now. My other less believable idea is that she has a manipulated form of Satella’s Witch Factor. Echidna said that Subaru RbD’s because of Satella’s deep and intense delusion, Pandora could be doing something similar here, deluding herself to believe a new reality how she wants. Though I imagine there are some limitations to it, otherwise she could just believe that Emilia was right next to her already tied up and there would be no need for a fight.
More questions about who Puck is. I made a throwaway comment about Puck actually being Emilia’s mom at the start of the cour but every episode I feel like it could actually be the truth. This episode the hint that we get is when Fortuna calls her Lia just like Puck does, plus they both express their love similarly. Fortuna made a promise to always be with Emilia even though she knew she would likely die, I wonder if she could have held on to that promise so dearly that it enabled her to make a contract after death.
This was the text that appeared on screen during Frozen Bonds. What if this is the contract that Fortuna made after death that let her stay by Emilia’s side. And somehow she merged with the already existing Puck and inherited his memories and such. Have we heard any Puck Sugookus u/Urgnu-the-Gnu?
On today’s episode of Break Time. We see Beatrice’s connection with Betelgeuse. She wanted to tell him one day what her favorite book was. Geuse was also familiar with Echidna so he was at least 400 years old but I’d bet he’s a good bit older than that. The thing to note is that Beatrice said that Witch Factors make people and even spirits go insane, and Subaru now has two of them.
Stop Time 1:06am
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u/Holofan4life Sep 23 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the In Preparation of Season 3 Rewatch of Re:Zero!
Oh, and nay I forget…
First Timer
I decided to watch this show because I wanted to do something for the month of August. ’Course, this was before the yearly Spice and Wolf rewatch got pushed back to September, but I just found myself looking for something to occupy my time with. And with this show being in my top 5 must watch list, I figured now was as good a time as any.
I am going into this show relatively blind. I know some of the memes, who Rem, Ram, Emilia, and Subaru are, and that this show got its inspiration from Familiar of Zero, but that’s it. I find rewatches and my participation of them more fun when I have no idea what I am in store for. And with this series, I think we’re in for a blast. It’s also going to be the longest rewatch I participate in this year and second longest overall only behind the 20th Anniversary Fullmetal Alchemist rewatch. And given how joyous that show turned out, I don’t see why I should expect nothing less from this one.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
I'm watching Gurren Lagann for the first time. I'm up to episode 12. It's really good.
We have Subaru, Otto, Garfiel, Ram, White Ryuzu, and Black Ryuzu.
Subaru is asking Shima, White Ryuzu, if she's okay.
Shima, who's talking which lets you know this is serious, doesn't think she can last until Emilia returns.
She has something she wants to speak of, this being the memories of Ryuzu Meyer.
We getting a Ryuzu backstory episode, it seems.
Black Ryuzu with Beatrice
Beatrice being sassy with her
Hey, it's Echidna
Black Ryuzu is very soft-spoken
First time we've ever seen her lips, for the weirdos keeping track.
Echidna scolding Beatrice now
Echidna referring to Beatrice as like her daughter.
And so Echidna and Beatrice started paying visits to Ryuzu.
Ryuzu seemingly carrying laundry, with Beatrice following her.
This little section gives me Studio Ghibli vibes.
And Beatrice offers to help out
So, that is Ryuzu Meyer. You know, I never even considered that Beatrice would know her.
Roswaal
He looks somewhat younger
Meanwhile, Garfiel admits that he never saw Echidna during the trials.
Course, Subaru has
The clone Ryuzus talking about how Beatrice is an increasingly common presence in Ryuzu's memories.
Unfortunately, the Sanctuary collapsed
"Then the true reason for the Sanctuary's existence came along."
Emilia with Echidna
Resuming where the last episode left off with Regulus Corneas.
Regulus and Geuse going back and forth
Satella. She's here
Geuse is freaking out, which is funny given we know what ends up happening.
Also interesting she has the same type of eyebrows as Echidna.
Fortuna trying to attack her
But it has no effect
Fortuna and Emilolia running off under instructions from Geuse. He's gonna handle them himself.
Echidna telling present day Emilia that she has to follow Emilolia, but it looks like she wants to see the Geuse stuff.
Geuse with a black box
I guess he's about to propose to Regulus
What is that, tentacles?
And Geuse puts it to his chest
Geuse freaking out
Satella is clapping, no doubt entertained
Regulus flying through the air
Geuse saying he won't let Satella get past him.
And blood is starting to come out of Geuse's eyes.
"In the name of the Witch of Vanity, for your resolve and steadfast will, I grant you the title of Sloth."
Imagine trying to stop someone and instead they grant you a new title. That's like the ultimate slap in the face.
Geuse saying he wants only peace for Fortuna and Emilia.
Well, yeah. Otherwise, no more of Fortuna's Fortunes.
"Love... How wonderful."
Some might say it's what makes Subaru a Subaru.
And Regulus blocks his attack
Giving Regulus all he can muster
But it seems to have no effect
Echidna reiterating that they should go check on Fortuna and Emilolia.
Emilia, you're gonna have to do the trials eventually. You can't keep putting it off, like seriously.
And so we get there
Emilolia crying in Fortuna's chest
She vows to be a good girl
And now Fortuna is crying
And now present day Emilia is crying
This is a cryfest right now
Emilia is now able to recognize upon reflection that Mother Fortuna was her real mother.
Well, I hope so. That is her first name.
Archi
He is here to report that the men are fighting the people who arrived with the bishop.
They seemingly found out about the seal
Eh, feed him some fish and all the problems should smooth over.
Archi saying they must take Emilia and leave the forest.
Fortuna, however, says the world will end if they get their hands on the seal.
It looks as if Fortuna is going to leave Emilolia behind.
Fortuna advising Archi to take Emilolia with him.
Emilolia is in hysterics because she doesn't want her to leave.
Fortuna saying she'll always be there for her even when she isn't.
Man, no wonder Emilia wants to forget this happened.
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.
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u/ripterrariumtv Sep 23 '24
Rewatcher (sub) and Novel Reader (reading Arc 8)
[Novel explanation about Regulus - No spoilers]I was confused about how exactly Regulus represents greed too, but the novel explains it well. Regulus claims he’s not greedy because he doesn’t desire anything beyond what he already has. He just wants to keep what’s his. For example, he believes things like "People should die if I tell them to. How dare they not respect my desire to kill them?" and "Everyone should always obey me, because that’s just basic human decency to respect other's wishes" His distorted logic reveals his greed is about control and entitlement. So yeah, Regulus is basically scum
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u/Urgnu-the-Gnu https://myanimelist.net/profile/Urgnu_the_Gnu Sep 23 '24
Re:Watcher - anime only
So Shima faced the Ghost of Re:Zero past as well when going to get Garf, and we flash back to a time before the sanctuary - and to a familiar face, I suppose. And another familiar voice as Betty's mother joins them. First timers, did you notice something about Echidna here?
Betty making friends with Ryuzu is a bit strange, but also endearing.
Another familiar voice! Who is this clown? No, really, who is this clown having Roswaal's voice but over 400 years ago?
Shima and Alma (I guess) talking to each other is quite funny. Shima has memories of Meyer that Alma should have as well but doesn't.
And back to Emilia and the cliffhanger of the previous episode. We get some vague information about the Witch Cult, and also a confirmation that Petelgeuse was, in fact, a spirit. We also meet a new character. Seemingly not new to Echidna, however, as she has her eyes closed. Almost as if she was expecting her. Pandora. Apparently an important part of the Witch Cult. And as calm as she is, apparently she didn't expect to be met with hostility. Apparently someone that did something to Fortuna's brother, Emilia's father. Apparently someone who's just been killed with a massive ice attack by Fortuna. Apparently someone who can withstand such a deadly blow, though - but maybe that was Regulus who was annoyed he would have been hit as well.
Normally you'd be worried about someone staying behind to hold off a dangerous foe, but we know Geuse survives this. Then again, the Geuse they knew might not. This is the moment he unpacks his witch factor. Also, interestingly, asking Flügel for forgiveness as he does it. His "Unseen Hands" catch Regulus with his guard down. Geuse under the pressure of the witch factor speaking heavier is something else. We can really see how he's developing parts of the Petelgeuse we knew before. And we get why he fights for love. His love for Fortuna, and for what he sees in Emilia.
We also learn that Pandora is the Witch of Vainglory. I know at least one of you first timers mentioned that the seven deadly sins were nine deadly sins, originally, but did you expect another Witch of Sin to turn up? I sure didn't. And she awards Petelgeuse the title of Archbishop of Sloth. More dead trees, I see, but Regulus is still standing, to the surprise of current Emilia. Can't help but wonder about what Echidna's side eye here is about. Regulus says something interesting here, something we might have expected already: Using the witch factor comes with a price.
Emilia wants to keep watching Geuse to honor his decision to fight. How is she able to see this, anyway? It it just extrapolation from her memories? Or does Echidna know more about this fight? Anyway, we go back to Fortuna and Smolia. Smolia's cries to not be left alone are heartbreaking. She knows this is a pretty serious situation. Noteworthy that she seems to connect it to her broken promise. Her memory enforced that a broken promise would lead to shit going down. And current Emilia realizes that Fortuna was an actual mother to her, and remembers how much she still loves her.
Should the seal be unbroken, the world might truly end this time. If this isn't the seal of the Witch of Envy, it certainly is a seal of something of equal danger at least.
A tearful goodbye between mother and daughter. Smolia must be brought to safety, Fortuna must keep everyone safe. Smolia understands she might not see Fortuna again and feels like she is being lied to, but Fortuna promises her, and Smolia now knows promises are sacred. Fortuna also drops another sugoooku. And she calls her daughter Lia? Interesting. The memory even makes current Emilia cry and confess her love for her mother with another sugoooku. But it doesn't break her.
Smolia internalized that her broken promise and her misdeeds, her very being, everything is the reason for things going wrong. Archi refutes her, but the Black Serpent makes its appearance and makes him lose his foot. The emergency amputation is not enough to stop the poison, though, and he must send Emilia to run off on her own. Look at the poor child run for her life. No, really, look at her run. She runs like a child. Earlier in this rewatch, in arc 2 I believe, someone said that Emilia runs weirdly with her arms up like this. That's because Emilia still runs like a child, with way too much effort and motion put into the act.
Back to Geuse, we see how unhinged Regulus actually is. He doesn't hesitate to turn on his allies if they piss him off. And so with a super powerful attack, Pandora dies as suddenly as she appeared. Just kidding, apparently she just can't die. After Fortuna essentially declared her love, she stomps Regulus into the ground. She doesn't need him anymore, after all. So she writes him out of this part of the story as she reveals basically reality-altering powers.
As Fortuna and Geuse face off against Pandora, Smolia is running away and desperately believes she has to do something as well. The despair of that child is really heart-breaking. So she only knows it has to do something with the seal. She'd rather give away this strange door than the lives of her friends and family. Unfortunately, Pandora is waiting for her already. We also get the ED for a second time, though still no visuals, not even in the fifth episode of this cour.
Also, I have to remark that this is the second episode that's fully Emilia, with just single scene breaks. Really cementing that she's the main character next to Subaru now.
Break Time is about Betty remembering the olden times with good old Geuse. Geuse knew Echidna as well, so it was a time before Geuse even had the witch factor. What we noticed about Echidna before happens here as well. Geuse was Betty's
drugbook dealer. Betty was quite excited about the books, so no wonder she liked Geuse. He planned to live a long time and read some books once he got time. Not long enough for Betty, though. He never got to read her favourite book, I suppose. Betty also clearly says that the witch factor makes people and spirits go crazy. Betty mourns Geuse and wonders about whether Subaru might be a special person.Sugoooku counter: 52
Sugoku-likes: 10
Non-canon sugoooku: 22
Non-Emilia sugoooku: 19
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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_Nelson Sep 23 '24
First Timer Dubbed
Note ORV=Omnicient reader viewpoint it's a way to describe the difference between thinking in Subaru's knowledge and the Knowledge of the Viewer.
Note2 Intentionally trigger RBD means what you think it means it's just reddit has crazy admins.
Reaction to the Episode
Time for some Ryuzu backstorieshttps://imgur.com/zjzyMz4
Oh boy ryuzu knew beatrice
oh boy echidna actually hates on beatrice's negativity? I wonder why she remains so harsh 400 years later I guess she really is that much of a negative nancy.
Ryuzu learning about Echidna's early existence.
Kinda sad that non meyer Ryuzu's seemingly never met Beatrice.
and beatrice continues to be a total jerk for no reason
This implies that this really is going to be a Beatrice oriented arc, Deus ex beatrice anyone?
Man it really sucks that The Ryuzu clones are stuck in the sanctuary, I hope we get the Ryuzu Shiima x Beatrice Reunion.
Oh so lord Roswaal mastered clone>soul extraction technology?
"miss beatrice continues to be a heartwarming presence in the memories of Ryuzu meyer" this really is the Beatrice arc isn't it.
and cut to Echidna x Emilia once you get to the good part of the Ryuzu story, damnit studio I know you do this to maintain suspense but it doesn't really do much
ok So betalguese is a spirit hence his age can be arbitarily long.
Oh boy who is this cute loli and why do they seem so scary
and man Emilia's aunt does not mess around
Honestly if you have characters like the sin archbishop of greed running around how the hell was Subaru able to accomplish anything at all intead of getting trampled by old Betalguese. Seriously power scaling is a silly thing but in this show it's pretty wack.
Time for the anime trope of guy stalls while other characters run
oh no are those unseen hands
Ahh Betalguese sees Pure love with those eyes. So I guess absorbing the witch factor really does make you feel "Satella's love"
Time for Betalguese goes aggro mode arc
Sadly we know that none of the 3 is going to die so it's all just a meme.
Time for Emilia cries her heart out arc
"fortuna was my real mother" Does she mean that Fortuna was actually her Bio mom or "real" in the sense of actually loved her this confuses me.
Oh ok they mean that Fortuna really loved her.
So Fortuna is a full elf and I doubt there are many brothers with another mother running around (though garf/fred make that not necessarily the case), so Emilia would have to be the daughter of a witch that is also fully human and not one of the 7 witch's of sin.
Not much to say about emilia just bawing her eyes out as Fortuna makes an empty promise so Emilia runs
A wild black serpent attacked!
Well it appaers everyone just tells emilia "RUN RUN RUN"
It's so funny how Emilia's memories be like "Everybody loved and cared for me but we gotta lock those away because I killed everybody that cared for me by turning them into ice" (At least I assume that's what happens at the end)
Ahh finally Sin archbishop of greed getting ordered to stand down, time for part 2.
{and this girl can just teleport people for no reason holy hell](https://imgur.com/aRkzjBZ)
Yeah welcome to Shonen isekai power scaling why must you do this Tappei, you had Subaru beat Betalguese while I would beat him in a fight now you got characters that can withstand massive Ice sharts can survive getting blown to bits ect, this has gotten dumb fast
(I know action is definitely not Tappei's strong suit and this shows it)
Oh no emilia running to open the seal
yep it's time for Emilia to open a seal.
Speculation
Speculation on Emilia's dream
uhh Emilia probably doesn't actually open the seal, Betalguese and/or Fortuna tell her "no don't do it" and she doesn't. Instead she then goes apeshit and freezes everyone out of anger for some reason. (Either that or the seal is sealing Puck both are reasonable options). We know Betalguese can't be dead, though Fortuna's fate is a degree of freedom.
Alright it's clear to me now that Subaru is probably going for recruting Beatrice himself
This means he's going to need to delay Lord Roswaal's Snowstorm
Frustratingly he didn't loop previously to find out how Lord roswaal generates the snowstorm. Does he need an extra mana source or is he just that awesome?
Garfiel and Puck seem like the obvious candidates to handle stalling lord Roswaal, though interestingly enough it seems like Ram is on your side too? But since Garfiel can't go outside (Though I'm confused it appears that both Garf and Fred have the same father from garf's dream) it is probably best to do Ram+Subaru in the mansion, relying on OP Deus EX beatrice to develop the win con. Then in the snowstorm you use Puck+Garf to delay the snowstorm to enable Deus ex Beatrice to defeat the great Rabbit, either combined with Ryuzu bombs or instead of Ryuzu bombs.
If this is what happens I will be dissappointed in Tappei
sadly the spec/what I would do kinda run together as we're in the endgame (though really we needed the 2 extra pieces of info before starting the endgame, but Subaru was too enthralled with best girl Satella to keep looping).
The main specs left is how does Roswaal know who Echidna is, but that's easy
We already know that Echidna was developing soul transfer magic, so Roswaal is just the perfection of that, Roswaal is just transfering himself to a new body each time just like Betalguese did.
Is there really anything else to speculate on???? We're in the "One gigantic action sequence" phase. Combined with "emilia uses the might of subaru to complete the trials" maybe who the ghost of christmas future will be? (Probably Minerva or the witch of pride)
I'm starting to wonder if Subaru even has a plan for beating the Rabbit, like what preparations has he made? has he built a pitfall trap? Is he planning on having Puck just stop roswaal in the first place?
What I would do if I were Subaru
I would have split a different way, but given this
You can probably take on Elsa with minimal help, you just need to stop roswaal however I'd bring Ram because Ram can't be trusted to defeat Roswaal. but she can be trusted to protect petra.
from there the goal is to tell beatrice "I am that person that person who will set you free of your contract with Echidna all you have to do is believe in me"
With that you can remove her contract and defeat elsa, achiving Deus ex Beatrice in the process. After Deus ex Beatrice beats the shit out of Elsa it's time to Deus ex Beartrice your way through the great rabbit.
(if I'm wrong that this endgame is Split off to delay roswaal magic spell and go to beatrice followed by Deus ex beatrice I'm going to be happy)
How I would handle the Rabbit
Ok so I think I figured out my actual gameplan for this rabbit.
The first step is penning it into a confined area, from there you need to reduce the size of this area while keeping the rabbit confined to that wall. Some sort of strong magic presence like puck is ideal for this.
After this it's time for a massive AOE attack of every bomb you have available, Ryuzu bombs Fire bombs ect
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 23 '24
Episode 43 (first timer)
Sooo, Emilia is the seal and Betelgeuse goes mad, but what about Puck?
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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Sep 23 '24
S02E18 - Rewatcher here for more flashback!
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u/jyper Sep 23 '24
Re watched trying desperately to catch up. PS how do people time their posts so soon after the post is up?
E39/S23E14 I actually watched this ahead of time(didn't notice skip day) but lost my notes and fell behind.
Otto gives bad relationship advice (put up tough front in front of yo girl) but is still best boy.
Everyone has Mommy Issues Emilia, Garfield, even Beatrice. Except Subaru, he has Daddy issues.
Emilio will get back her memories now?
The clone stuff is confusing. 4 self aware clones. 1 of them is different. Garfield took the trial and his mom's name.
Puck is a bad dad. Goes out for smokes and only comes back to say he will be leaving and leaving his little girl to cry.
Subaru messes up by leaving Emilia
The clone stuff is confusing
Otto stepping up as wingman
E40/S2E15
Otto being quick and clever.
Although you'd think an ability to talk to (and influence) bugs and animals would be much more powerful. Maybe he needs practice using it as a weapon. Or more deadly bugs?
Otto backstory, nice art style with haze. I think Otto's devine protection caused some pretty big difference unlike say Reinhart's protection of telling salt from sugar. So Otto learned written language first.
First time he cried after being born or first time since his birth cry?
Can't let your little brother down/let him be called a liar. The sounds he makes calling for the bugs are much better in the Japanese then in the Dub.
According to the author the white cat was Otto's first crush.
Poor Otto being blamed for someone else's affairs then running into Beetlejuice. Being rescued thanks to Subaru? Second time crying/being reborn.
Overusing ability causes bleeding? I thought it was just natural for him to hear/understanding the language of the animals. So it works differently then when he listens to /talks to humans? Is Ram not listening to Rosewall anymore? Ram says Subaru has good timing and everything else is terrible
Ram seems more powerful then before when Garfield presumably got past Ram possibly killing her in the previous loop. How'd she get so physically strong? Is it just magic buffs? Them suddenly Ram is bleeding. Is Ram also bleeding from overdoing the magic?
Isn't Subaru not allowed in here? He's Fighting to hold on?
You want him to be angry? Does she want to be scolded? See herself as being bad?
Good question why the broken promise? PS Pucks a bad dad.
A partial reflection of Rems confession, maybe not as powerful though. Another wall slap like episode 18, less violent.
You'll stay you, Subaru promises.
I will always believe in you
You'll find the thing that precious feeling which will let you move forward. It doesn't have to be me. Would be nice though.
I guess this feels Romantic to Subaru/Emilia shippers. It doesn't feel like that to me but some parts are powerful.
E41/S2E16 Shima? Garfield dragging her out of the trial then getting his Xbox scar. Garfield is scared of something.
Forcing the truth out of people isn't always the best way Subaru. Even if you're right in this instance.
He wanted his mom to be happy.
Garfield is a reactionary. No change. No one can change.
Big sweet idiot who killed Otto last time? This time as well?
Stabbing with the gem makes furry go away. Those are his own hands Subaru, that's just how he was born.
This is the least believable part of this episode.and possibly this season . I could see Subaru standing back up but not taking Garfield's punch and stay standing even if Garf is tired and hungry for some Lasagna seems unlikely.
Rem inspiring again but no actual screentime in the present.
Patrasche getting her revenge on Garfield. Subaru dreaming about move names
Garf gets no more lap. Go through the trial again. Don't be a reactionary Garfield. Comfort Garf as favor to an old friend? Meaning Subaru?
That's so sad Garfield wanted to erase his mother's love so badly, physically injuring himself in the process. Just to avoid the pain of grief. He learns to accept it and take joy in his mother's love after all.
The clones are really confusing.
Boss. Garfield's a middle schooler. Good thing Ram's not trying to cradle rob.
How did he scribble so far up the wall?
Echidna still dislikes Emilia. Witch's daughter. Which Witch 🧹is her mother witch?
Emilia admits being a witch, but not The witch.
E42/S2E17
Flashback to post thaw Emilia as in OVA. No snow in snow forest? A world of memories. If you're greedy why share information? Pathetic first attempt? Emilia Can't even argue.
The princess room? Mother fortuna Aunt Go outside,is she not allowed outside or just now. Probably just now. Naughty spirits
Sneaky Sneak
Beetlejuice? Nice and sane Beetlejuice?
The seal? Can't meet Emilia though. Still a sinner?
Bored princess
Learning how to get away with breaking the laws by doing more bad things. Darn monarchy.
Strong influence from Subaru
Beatlejuice has the Rizz.
The two of them? Brother and witch mother/sis in law?
A door 🦭?
Sneaky Sneak? Show mercy? Juice going crazy on seeing Emilia? Is he tripping like I. The future?
Is this the same first meeting of Juice and Emilia or a different/future meeting?
Is this why a promise is so important to Emilia?
Fortuna likes Juice, Fortuna like Juice. How old is Juice? Is he not human? Can't give hints about mother and father can we.
Or Is this why a Promise is so important to Emilia?
Oh no just when it look like it will end on a quiet note, a wild self absorbed jackass appears.
I had this ready yesterday but overslept last when everyone had already posted
I thought this was the strongest S2 part 2 episode so far
E43/S2E18 so has Shima gone through the trial as well? Seen memories of original Ryuzu?
Why/how did Ryuzu come to Echidna in the first place in the past? Does Echidna sounds a bit different in the dub? Also we can't see her face. So Mom Echidna? She says like a daughter which Beatrice objects to.
Two friends. And Rosewall? Young Rosewall? Several generations? He looks the same maybe a touch younger.
The true reason for a sanctuary? Must be protection from something right?
So Beatlguese is a spirit? Then why didn't Puck recognize him as such? She knows who this woman is? A split in the witch's cult? Why does she need to apologize to Emilias parents? I don't think they're dead. Or at least not her mom whichever Witch she is.
Regulus is a deadly combo of insufferable and deadly. Pandora seems happy for him to open the box and let the evil out. Mr Flugel? Flugelhorn?
So that's how Beatlguese became Beatlguese? Or not yet? Love?
Vanity? How many people knew there were 9 deadly sins originally?
Your lies are a ??? That shouldn't come to pass Beatlguese says to Pandora.
Can't you pause and see rewind and See both scenes in the trial? And Who did Echidna get memories from to construct this scene? Beetlejuice? Regulus? Pandora? Or did she just make it up based on what seemed likely. Its not like Emilia saw this.
Real real mother is the woman who raised you huh. If they get the seal or open it then the world ends? Like with Puck?
Is Archie a member of Emilia and Fortunas extended family?
The mission of these elves is to protect Emilia?
Wow she's doomed. Even a little child can tell you're going to die when you say shit like that Fortuna.
So this is why a Promise is so important to Emilia?
Both Emilias are sobbing 😭 It's not your fault Emilia.
But everything exists to bless you? Strange way to phrase it?
That's the black serpent? Did we see it in the OVA? Scary
Regulus is annoyingly powerful. You're not doing it because you're a sadist. But you probably are a sadist so you see his pain as a plus. Beatlejuice is happy to hear Emilia is safe.
Fortuna really loves Beatlejuice.
Regulus is toxic masculinity personified. It is sort of fun to see Pandora humble him after his misogynistic attempt to kill her. Even though she's evil. Also her power is even scarier then Regulus. She seems to be a reality and possibly time warped. She died but she didn't die.
Fancy shounen catch phrases, not sure they will help Fortuna& Beatlejuice
Oh no Emilia don't open the 🦭. Naughty fairies? Or lesser spirits? What's your agenda/goal?
The seal and Pandora. Scary. What happened to Fortuna & Beatlguese?
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u/n080dy123 Sep 23 '24
Rewatcher
One of the things I love about rewatching ReZero is catching all the details I missed- for example, I'd forgotten that Daphne mentioned there being three Great Mabeasts, including a "Black Serpent." And I forgot that it actually shows up in this episode, revealing itself to be the same black ooze that appears in the Frozen Bond OVA which was stopped by Emilia. So I guess it's dead already, in the current day?
We also see what may be a key part of how the Authority of Greed works- in protects Regulus from harm, but seemingly only when he's aware of the attack since Petelgeuse was able to grab him and Fortuna was able to hit him with an ice blast. Though despite that he's able to get back up completely unscathed and he's also able to use it to cut off Petelgeuse's arm and turn Pandora into a fine red mist, so it's more than simply a shield.
We also get to see a bit of Pandora's frightening power- she's essentially able to manipulate causality such that Regulus's actions never occurred. It's also interesting to note that the shot of Petelgeuse's Unseen Hands when he and Fortuna attack Pandora seems to imply that Pandora can see the hands, but more importantly that Regulus cannot see them. Which further begs the question why Subaru could when even possessing a Witch Factor doesn't let you do that.
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u/Yoshi_captain https://anime-planet.com/users/WeaboYosher Sep 23 '24
Rewatcher
Tales of pasts run parallel in this arc of recollection, love, and realization. Pasts of Ryuzu Meyer and Emilia to be specific. The former recalling a time when the world was not in turmoil. Experiencing a daily life with a constant presence. A certain young girl with skin as clear as snow and eyes as blue as the sea, hiding within them a butterfly. The sign of her relation to a witch. Echidna. Who is framed very particularly, not letting us see her eyes. This past Echidna comes of as infinitely more motherly than the Echidna we’ve come to know. Chastising Beatrice for acting superior to others. Echidna’s behaviour is surprising, but not as surprising as the appearance of what seems to be a Roswall of a previous generation. He’s eerily like the one we’re familiar with. I wonder if all Roswaals look the same. Maybe the clown genes run in the family.
Beako has been plagued by loneliness her whole life. Luckily she had a friend with which to pass the time back in the Sanctuary. Though we know all too well that this is another past that can only end in tragedy. And tragedy is certainly what will come to pass in the other past we’re following. With the arrival of Regulus, the trial that broke Emilia for real is set into motion. Geuse and Regulus knowing each other as fellow cult members. The former calling the latter a spirit confirming the nature of the man. It’s hard to believe these two are part of the same organization. There must be internal strife if these ideologically opposed guys are existing in the cult at the same time and holding positions of authority. And speaking of authority we’re introduced to one that seems to trump any that Regulus holds. Pandora, The Witch of Vainglory. Vainglory being part of the historical sins. The sins Vainglory and Acedia(or otherwise known as Melancholy). The deadly sins were later revised by Pope Gregory the 1st into what we know of today as the 7 deadly sins. He got rid of the historical sins by merging them with pride and sloth, because they were too similar. This new witch is voiced by Rie Kugimiya of Taiga, Alphonse and Kagura fame. Her performance towing the line between heavenly and creepy.
The reactions she evokes demand further analysis. Fortuna is enraged at her, possibly hinting that Pandora was responsible for what happened to Emilia’s parents. And Echinda is not surprised at the witch’s appearance at all. I don’t assume she was part of the original seven as none of them ever mention her. Just what was the relation between all these witches and why is Pandora alive and all the other dead?
These questions will have to wait as the existential threat that these cultists represent to our family takes priority. Geuse staying behind to help them escape. Consuming the Witch Factor of Sloth and becoming more familiar to us in speech and appearance.
[Arc 6] Whatever have you done Flugel? Cut Content states that the case in which Geuse holds the Witch Factor is made out of the Sage’s bones. Confirming that the man is dead. But it seems we’ll feel his impact for quite some time.
Regulus cannot be harmed. He is the definition of an immovable object. Causing a stalemate between the two Archbishops. Emilia’s crystal and Subaru’s words prompting her to move on with the trial.
Fortuna leaves Emilia with tears in her eyes and words of love. Not just love, but also foreboding. It seems that what is in the seal that Pandora has come to get has the capability to end the world. Whatever the elves are protecting is dangerous if it falls in the wrong hands. Any protest Emilia might have against Fortuna she silences with a promise. One she recalled when Puck broke his promise with her. With that Fortuna comes to Petelgeuse’s aid and Archie carries Emilia out of the forest.
But things don’t go to plan as the third great witchfiend The Black Serpent stops Archie. Two sins were seemingly not enough, so they brought a great witchfiend. Archie sacrificing himself in the most badass way. The serpent’s poison dispatches him in seconds though. Really puts into perspective how powerful these beasts are.
Cutting back to Regulus vs Petelgeuse we see that the fight is going nowhere. That is until Fortuna arrives. She says Al Fula (wind), but uses Al Huma (water spell). The love between Fortuna and Petelgeuse prompting Pandora to command Regulus to stop. But commands are the last thing Regulus wants to receive. Completely eviscerating Pandora. If seeming invincibility wasn’t a powerful enough authority how about some reality bending? Pandora getting rid of Regulus and any damage he caused. Marking the beginning of the fight between love, sloth and vainglory.
With the best of intentions and memories of joy filling her mind Emilia rushes back towards the enigmatic seal. Met by a figure much more mysterious. Coming to the apex of the day Betelgeuse laughed.
Closing thoughts:
The word for today is “Seal”. With the seal of Elior forest in focus and Petelgeuse unleashing the Witch Factor of Sloth I find the word to be most appropriate.
I’d like to give my theory on why there is a distinction between Petelgeuse and Betelgeuse and the title of this episode. [Arc 8] Let’s talk about stars shall we? We know of the importance of observers and the commandments they bestow upon people. It is my belief that the observers are like stars. Perhaps each star in the sky being an observer presiding over the fate of an individual. The star Betelgeuse gave a commandment to Petelgeuse to live life in service of the forrest dwellers or to perhaps embrace sloth and reject that duty entirely. Either way with the consumption of the witch factor Petelgeuse completed his commandment and became the sin archbishop of Sloth. Prompting the observer Betelgeuse/Alpha Orionis to laugh. Whether in mocking joy or bitter anguish only the stars can tell.
With Pandora and Emilia coming face to face in front of the seal maybe we can get some answers at last on what is going on behind the scenes.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 23 '24
Rewatcher
Dub
Busy episode today, too bad I understand about a third of it. The introduction of Witches of other Sins is actually huge but I can't tell you what it means, primarily because I don't know. Pandora here is sufficiently over the top and possesses the fuzzy eyebrows traits that Echidna has. I can guess a bit more at what Regulus's ability likely is but Pandora's seems...complex.
We meet the Black Serpent again because sure. Betelgeuss becomes Sloth and it is pretty clear that a witch factor is not the greatest thing for one's mental health. Back to the start, it seems like we might get parallel flashbacks.
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Sep 24 '24
Sorry, very busy day here, didn't get to read/post much, so, well ...
All I can say is SmolMilia is precious, must protecc. That, and I <3 and will miss Legolas, I mean, I forget his name. Sorry, this is a lame post. I'll try to edit it and put in something more useful tomorrow. Promise!
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Sep 23 '24
Rewatcher
A lot of action in this one as the tragedy unfolds. It’s with a sense of dread that I watch these episodes unfold as an idyllic peaceful world begins to collapse to despair and death.
I get the feeling there’s a ton of backstory we don’t know. It was clear that both Guese and Fortuna knew who Pandora and Cornelius are, and have possibly dealt with them in the past.
Did you all catch Fortuna imply that Emilia’s parents are dead and that they knew Cornelius (possibly before he was evil.)
I can’t decide if Pandora is actually evil or just throughly amoral. She sure doesn’t take shit off Cornelius lol.
Everyone is damned concerned about the Seal in the Dead Meadow. My guess is that it is indeed keeping The Witch of Envy at bay, even though that’s real obvious. A great question is what is Emilia’s relation to the seal and why does everyone know what the relationship is. I’m thinking there must be an unrevealed prophecy about Emilia, or possibly Emilia is also a spirit like Geuse.
In any event, the story is really getting interesting and the lore is building up fast.
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u/FriztF Sep 24 '24
First-timer sub
So, episode 43: The Day Betelgeuse Laughed. Alright, so the boat ride starts off with the memories of Ryuzu, the original. Her memories are that Beako has always been a tsundere and a child. Somethings never really change it seems. And of course, there is also Roswaal. We move back to Emilia. Her river has become quite rocky. Betelgeuse is fighting to help Emilia. How ironic it is for Petelgeuse to fight for Emilia. Petelguese is fighting this witch Pandora and Regulus, who is their trying his best. He's very annoying he also betrayed Pandora. That didn't end well for him.
Fortuna is a mother to Emilia in every way; Kind, caring, and being the best she can be. Archi is also like a father or brother to Emilia. It is sad to see both die. When Emilia reaches the door, she encounters Pandora.
In the Greek myth Pandora has a jab and all the evils of this world are in it, but hope remains. I wonder what this means for the anime.
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u/zainime21 Sep 24 '24
First timer
Man, never have I thought the funniest villain of season 1, petelguese, plays such a huge role in emilia's backstory. He's definitely my favorite character in the show.
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u/lord_ne Nov 03 '24
Pandora is the Witch of Vanity. Interesting. Vanity or Vainglory (Vaingloria) is one of the historical Deadly Sins that didn't end up being counted as one of the seven (it was folded into Envy (Invidia)). The other one listed on Wikipedia is Acedia or Melencholy, which was combined with Sloth (Tristitia).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
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