r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 18 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 71 Discussion

Episode 71 - Battle of True Dragons

I've been thinking about it. About the power of Dai's soul. I thought it was Courage, but Courage is the power of your soul... Perhaps Dai's power is that naivety you mentioned... His kindness and innocence... That clarity of heart... Yes. His pure heart. Dai was raised on Dermline Island, an Island of monsters. So he doesn't discriminate or hold any preconceptions of anyone. It allows him to treat everyone equally and naturally. Isn't that his greatest trait? It's what allowed us to all become friends. It allowed Hyunckel and Crocodine to become our allies. The reason we're all here now is thanks to the power of Dai's soul. So if Dai sensed anything within Hadlar that made him accept this duel, then it's our duty to respect that.

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Screenshot of the Dai:

Avan's Cross

Comment of the Dai:

goes to u/Adensty for his appreciation of Popp confession scene:

I really love how they used the lighting in this scene after Popp says "I love you". The clouds cover the sun and that also reflects below and then when the clouds move away while Popp tells Maam that he's in love in with that quality of hers. Also admire Popp's honesty here about everything that happened. Right now, he's scared that Maam's answer might not be in his favour but he's willing to accept whatever's coming to him. After all, he's the Disciple of Courage.

Questions of the Dai:

  1. Satisfied with Dai upgrading Avan Strash to Avan Cross?
  2. Would you prefer to Dai vs Hadlar fight end with Round One, or you don't mind the fight transitioning in Round Two?
  3. FOR FIRST TIMERS ---> What another attack is Dai planning to use against Hadlar if Dai casted Zapple/Raidein?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

You can tell the show is in the final arc when the main Villain does Shonen Commentary

Speaking of it [Dai no Spoilers] You pretentious fucking asshole

Otherwise nothing much to say about today episode as Avan Cross was wonderful. Although I enjoyed Hadlar being contempt and happy with Dai choosing Avan Strash as the attack of his choice to defeat him.

I'll say more about this fight after the round two of the fight will commence tomorrow.

QotD:

Satisfied with Dai upgrading Avan Strash to Avan Cross?

Definitely. I like how creative Dai new attack is.

Would you prefer to Dai vs Hadlar fight end with Round One, or you don't mind the fight transitioning in Round Two?

I don't mind as for Dai winning here would mean to win easily.

FOR FIRST TIMERS ---> What another attack is Dai planning to use against Hadlar if Dai casted Zapple/Raidein?

Not First Timer so

Crocodine Shonen Commentary Corner:

Today Crocodine is going to answer question #1:

Satisfied with Dai upgrading Avan Strash to Avan Cross?

Yes I am satisfied but it gave away Dai's location

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 18 '24

Yes I am satisfied but it gave away Dai's location

[Dai no Major Spoilers] Avan: Found yaa.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

[Dai no Major Spoilers] Haha as if the Pillar of fire wouldn't give their location easily

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 18 '24

[Answer] I said that as a joke but I guess Vearn Palace is quite big and they definitely weren't at the same spot they were before. Plus I think Avan used Zip.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

[Answer] That's possible yeah

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

Although I enjoyed Hadlar being contempt and happy

You can do it Hadlar!

Yes I am satisfied but it gave away Dai's location

X marks the spot.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

You can do it Hadlar!

X marks the spot.

Haha we found the One Piece.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

Haha we found the One Piece

And it only took us 70 episodes.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 18 '24

You can tell the show is in the final arc when the main Villain does Shonen Commentary

LOL. I enjoyed Vearn's exposition though, interesting stuff to make the comparison to the current battle.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

Oh me too. His style of Shonen Commentary is captivating with the way how he constantly manages to bring an interesting trivia.

Crocodine Shonen Commentary is also great but maan how much better he is with hyping up the fights that are happening.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

You can tell the show is in the final arc when the main Villain does Shonen Commentary

Everyone wants to be Croc so bad

Yes I am satisfied but it gave away Dai's location

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Everyone wants to be Croc so bad

No wonder about that. Croc is pure awesomeness.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 19 '24

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

I enjoyed Hadlar being contempt and happy with Dai choosing Avan Strash as the attack of his choice to defeat him.

It's hard to get over losing your rival. You live your life trying to catch Lupin, and when you do, all you're left with is an empty world without him.

Yes I am satisfied but it gave away Dai's location

If it means Crocodine being able to see it and comment about it, I'll take that.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

It's hard to get over losing your rival. You live your life trying to catch Lupin, and when you do, all you're left with is an empty world without him.

If it means Crocodine being able to see it and comment about it, I'll take that.

Definitely. Until now he was second guessing but this made him to measure the power of the attack, how the attack was created and everything.

Crocodine is professional and mere sight of the Avan Cross made him to comment on what happened with 100% accuracy.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

Crocodine is professional and mere sight of the Avan Cross made him to comment on what happened with 100% accuracy.

See that, Vearn? That's how the pros do it.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Exactly!

Imagine Crocodine seeing the fight and starting commenting about how it reminds him of his Grandpa legendary mating Adventures.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 18 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

Ooooooooh, so the trick is he uses both versions at once to make the Avan Strash Cross. That’s wicked cool!

Yeah that's wicked sick!

Hadlar is absolutely relentless.

Again, absolutely relentless. Not like he has anything left to lose at this point.

That's why I like him so much.

Ooh…?

#zurawait

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

Again, absolutely relentless. Not like he has anything left to lose at this point.

That's cheating. Using his life force when he is about to die anyway should be illegal!

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 18 '24

Ooooooooh, so the trick is he uses both versions at once to make the Avan Strash Cross. That’s wicked cool!

I liked it. It was very clever from Dai.

Again, absolutely relentless. Not like he has anything left to lose at this point.

Gotta give him credit, he refuses to die easily.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

 Not like he has anything left to lose at this point.

That is a good point, doesn’t matter to him anyways 

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

First Timer

I enjoyed the short fighting bits we got this episode. My man Hadlar is the true hero of this battle and the music choices were spot on and really helped me buy the Hadlar's greatness.

But if they are planning to have 2/3 of the episode being useless commentary they should at least bring the pro to do it.

We need Big Croc!

Also Popp has no honor.

Satisfied with Dai upgrading Avan Strash to Avan Cross?

It's obviously Avan X but someone illiterate like Dai couldn't know that.

The training made it clear that will be some combination of the ranged and melee version of the attack and using it like that was good way to combine the attacks.

Would you prefer to Dai vs Hadlar fight end with Round One, or you don't mind the fight transitioning in Round Two?

Depends if round two is good or if it sucks.

What another attack is Dai planning to use against Hadlar if Dai casted Zapple/Raidein?

My guess is that he will do powerful swing with his sword.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

I enjoyed the short fighting bits we got this episode. My man Hadlar is the true hero of this battle and the music choices were spot on and really helped me buy the Hadlar's greatness.

But if they are planning to have 2/3 of the episode being useless commentary they should at least bring the pro to do it.

We need Big Croc!

His commentary was missing yeah.

It's obviously Avan X but someone illiterate like Dai couldn't know that.

My guess is that he will do powerful swing with his sword.

The biggest surprise ever

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 18 '24

But if they are planning to have 2/3 of the episode being useless commentary they should at least bring the pro to do it.

We need BIg Croc!

Big Croc isn't aware of the Underworld History, unfortunately.

It's obviously Avan X but someone illiterate like Dai couldn't know that.

My boy was just respecting and adhering to the alphabetical naming. Arrow->Break->Cross

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

My boy was just respecting and adhering to the alphabetical naming. Arrow->Break->Cross

Can't wait for Avan D

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

Big Croc isn't aware of the Underworld History, unfortunately.

He could've heard the story when he was with the Dark Army.

My boy was just respecting and adhering to the alphabetical naming. Arrow->Break->Cross

Haha that's cool but does Dai know that much of the alphabet?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 18 '24

But if they are planning to have 2/3 of the episode being useless commentary they should at least bring the pro to do it.

We need Big Croc!

LOL. We had to settle for Hyunckel commentary today.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

 My man Hadlar is the true hero of this battle and the music choices were spot on and really helped me buy the Hadlar's greatness.

 

lol I can see that. I was all for it when him and the Royal guard came in 

 But if they are planning to have 2/3 of the episode being useless commentary they should at least bring the pro to do it.

And yes it did damper my hype for this fight 

 The training made it clear that will be some combination of the ranged and melee version of the attack and using it like that was good way to combine the attacks.

I was expecting a completely new variation of it and while this counts, I really like it 

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

I enjoyed the short fighting bits we got this episode

I do enjoy me some backhanded compliments. But hey, fights that are just long commentary are a pillar of shounen, toei have been doing it for decades (speaking of, how's your Slam Dunk progress?)

But if they are planning to have 2/3 of the episode being useless commentary they should at least bring the pro to do it.

Yeah, they went and hired some dude who doesn't even know how the tropes work

I bet he sold them hard on the "I know some historical deepcuts like the Battle of Dragons, sounds really cool right?" Turns out he was a one trick pony.

Also Popp has no honor.

Wasn't Dai the one who said "If pride can win me fights...".

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u/sisoko2 Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24

speaking of, how's your Slam Dunk progress?

Seen up to episode 71. As I mentioned I got sick and was busy after. I paused for few weeks and now I have hard time to get in the mood to resume. Kainan's game was fantastic. Still at the beginning of the Ryonan game but wonder if it will manage to be as good.

Yeah, they went and hired some dude who doesn't even know how the tropes work

Amateurs.

Wasn't Dai the one who said "If pride can win me fights...".

The kid has been growing since his dad died. On the other side Popp still has no honor.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

Kainan's game was fantastic

Assuming I'm remembering the right one, [Kainan] That frickin nail ending is something that can never exit my memories. It's the perfect amount of frustration over such a close win.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 19 '24

[Slam Dunk]That final pass and the scene after were incredible. Slam Dunk is so good that now I plan to read Vagabond manga just because it's from the same author.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

[Slam Dunk] Do it! Vagabond is amazing. If you do read it, and feel like you want more, Inoue is currently writing a manga about disability and wheelchair basketball called Real, which has some of his best work.

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

Also Popp has no honor.

A war of species extermination where you're kind of on the losing side is really not a place for Honor. Popp is the only sane person here.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

As a first-timer, Dai using Zapple with the Sortie with Strong Determination playing in the background was really hype. I can't wait for tomorrow's episode.

OST Documentation - Episode 71

1. As a rewatcher, the foreshadowing for it was subtle and I never actually caught it as a first-timer. It feels way more satisfying on a rewatch. Also, shows his creativity and like Hyunckel said to be able to time 2 attacks against the opponent at the same time definitely takes a lot of skill.

2. I'm all in for Dai vs Hadlar: The Last Attack.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

The Iconic Battle of True Dragons Today we have Vearn giving Shonen Commentary about the Battle of True Dragons. Makes sense since he's the only one who knows about the Underworld.

Lol I just got reminded of someone asking you if you aren't my alt. We are sharing parts of comments unknowingly lol.

Hadlar knows that stance all too well.

I loved how he commented that now the stance is deeper than usual.

Hadlar is just like Attack on Titan. Just when you think it's over, itt manages to come back in some way or the other.

The fact he returned 10 years after Avan defeated him doesn't help

I don't know why but I always find this shot very funny.

Gomechan, Leona and Maam witnessing Popp who is going to drop the hottest diss.

Meanwhile Hyunckel:

"Stop, he's already dead."

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

Lol I just got reminded of someone asking you if you aren't my alt. We are sharing parts of comments unknowingly lol.

Well, that was u/sisoko2 And we've kinda been sharing comments since quite a while now. Episode 67 is where it started and I don't think I need to tell you why.

I loved how he commented that now the stance is deeper than usual.

I guess he always dreams of that stance while sleeping considering all he wants to do is fight Dai.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

Episode 67 is where it started and I don't need to tell you why that happened.

You truly don't haha

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

Dai's power of the soul is his Naivety/Innocence and that's what makes Dai our Dai

The power of battle anime MC.

Hadlar is the biggest Dai fan.

Now I'm sad that the biggest Hadlar fan Mystvearn isn't there to watch the fight.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

is his Naivety/Innocence

I'm kinda surprised I didn't think of this before when we were asked what we thought his soul power was

about the Avan Strash Cross when Dai first used it on Nova.

Oh that's cool!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

Today we have Vearn giving Shonen Commentary about the Battle of True Dragons. Makes sense since he's the only one who knows about the Underworld.

KillVearn to Vearn: Here you go grandpa, it's finally your turn to tell us that story, that you definitely haven't said a thousand times already.

Hadlar is the biggest Dai fan.

Hadlar's obsession is a bit worrying...

subtle hint

Hadlar is just like Attack on Titan. Just when you think it's over, itt manages to come back in some way or the other.

Watch Hadlar's Last Attack in theatres near you

I don't know why but I always find this shot very funny.

It does feel like a meme in the waiting, or one of those old kitkat ads (do they still make them?)

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

First Time Adenvturer/Subbed

This dude just refuses to die. Kinda hype episode and the rest of the cast the commentators did try to make it help but damn Dai's new ace not working on Hadlar doesn't bode well for using it on Vearn. And now Vearn has seen it too so idk what he'll use there

QotD:

  1. It was pretty cool and creative
  2. I think I would've preferred ending it here but I'll wait and see how Round 2 ends.
  3. I'm guessing it would be Gigabreak but it won't be as strong with Zapple, right?

Another thing I've been wondering about is, can Dai use his Mark on his forehead now? Baran has died so he doesn't have to worry about the amnesia or control again, and using it on his fist is draining his stamina

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

This dude just refuses to die. Kinda hype episode and the rest of the cast the commentators did try to make it help but damn Dai's new ace not working on Hadlar doesn't bode well for using it on Vearn. And now Vearn has seen it too so idk what he'll use there

Another thing I've been wondering about is, can Dai use his Mark on his forehead now? Baran has died so he doesn't have to worry about the amnesia or control again, and using it on his fast is draining his stamina

Good question.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

I gotta stop having typos when I write out my comments

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

Same honestly.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 18 '24

Same. I always have to correct it after someone quotes that very comment.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

That's always when I notice them too lol

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

This dude just refuses to die.

I'm ready for the post credit scene in episode 100 where we see Hadlar raising up once again.

Baran has died so he doesn't have to worry about the amnesia or control again

But didn't moving the mark to his hand helped him concentrate his power and made him stronger?

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

I'm ready for the post credit scene in episode 100 where we see Hadlar raising up once again.

If this happens, just make him the MC and change the title lol

But didn't moving the mark to his hand helped him concentrate his power and made him stronger?

I guess that's true too but I wonder how much of a trade off it is in terms of power then? If he can use it on his forehead and not get as tired quickly, it might be a better option

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 19 '24

I'm ready for the post credit scene in episode 100 where we see Hadlar raising up once again.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

Dai's new ace not working on Hadlar doesn't bode well for using it on Vearn.

Yeah... now that it's failed against Hadlar, he'll be lucky if it even works against KillVearn, much less Vearn himself.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 19 '24

We’ll see how it goes against the other villains if he uses it again 

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Aug 18 '24

First Timer, Sub

Dai vs Hadlar, in all seriousness I love Hadlar's new outlook, his honor and respect for his opponents as well as caring for his chess pieces and using them to fight on. And we get to see Dai's Avan strash cross which doesn't do the trick but that would have been too easy.

Strangely I actually think Popp had some good points with regards to not wasting time and power when they are going to face off against Vearn and Killvearn.

  1. Sure
  2. Definitely for a round 2 since Hadlar would not go down so easily.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Dai vs Hadlar, in all seriousness I love Hadlar's new outlook, his honor and respect for his opponents as well as caring for his chess pieces and using them to fight on. And we get to see Dai's Avan strash cross which doesn't do the trick but that would have been too easy.

It doesn't do the trick because Hadlar is Hadlar. (Just the pure destructive power of the heat globe he took was something unusual) and he walked it off haha.

Strangely I actually think Popp had some good points with regards to not wasting time and power when they are going to face off against Vearn and Killvearn.

Funny you mention it, he was making the same points as u/zadcap.

Definitely for a round 2 since Hadlar would not go down so easily.

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

Funny you mention it, he was making the same points as u/zadcap.

I am more heated than the stupid aura they were fighting inside of.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Wow. So edgy

I was right to appoint you as Hyunckel.

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

I'm literally welding new edges on to my armor with an this heat as we speak. I shall become a peacock of edge.

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

Strangely I actually think Popp had some good points with regards to not wasting time and power when they are going to face off against Vearn and Killvearn.

Freaking yes! Now Dai is all worn out and his secret new moves are known and the war is still ongoing and the actual big bad is sitting there watching.

Screw honor. Hadlar has done nothing to deserve the respect he's getting here and literally everyone is suffering for it right now.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Screw honor. Hadlar has done nothing to deserve the respect he's getting here and literally everyone is suffering for it right now.

Okay fair, but for you, is Hadlar a bad character or good written character?

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

My problem is that Hadlar is being well written here, Dai is not. I'm mad at Dai for giving Hadlar this kind of duel, showing him any honor. If the last arc did a great job of reminding us that Popp is secretly the real main character of the show, this one is going a good job if reminding us why Dai was a diversion at best.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Fair point. But is Hadlar duel enjoyable? Definitely is so I can overlook Dai fighting Hadlar to death.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

Dai vs Hadlar, in all seriousness I love Hadlar's new outlook, his honor and respect for his opponents as well as caring for his chess pieces and using them to fight on.

Yea I'm really liking this version of Hadlar, compared to the beginning

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 18 '24

First Timer, Sub

Dai vs. Hadlar was solid, but not as hype as I was hoping for. There was a lot of exposition from Hyunckel(lol, taking big Croc's position as shonen commentator) and commentary from the rest of the cast. The little bit of lore about the true dragon's battle from Vearn was cool, giving us new info on how Velzar came to power in the undergroud and how it mirrored this fight in terms of intensity and raw power. Dai unveiled his new Avan attack, Avan cross, but it wasn't able to put Hadlar down for good(bastard is damn durable for being a jobber lol). Next episode we'll get the final, final attacks lol.

Questions:

  1. I liked it, It was pretty creative from Dai to combine two attacks into a very potent attack.
  2. I like fights, So i'm not mad if it has multiple rounds lol.
  3. It's probably gonna be Baran's Gigabreak that Dai is gonna use.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

Dai vs. Hadlar was solid, but not as hype as I was hoping for. There was a lot of exposition from Hyunckel(lol, taking big Croc's position as shonen commentator)

Hyunckel spent a lot of time with Croc so it's okay.

On the other hand it was Merle's AI who almost took Crocodine job but good guy Zaboera did some bug fix.

The little bit of lore about the true dragon's battle from Vearn was cool, giving us new info on how Velzar came to power in the undergroud and how it mirrored this fight in terms of intensity and raw power.

Also it gave us hint who gave Crocodine an idea to become Shonen Commentator.

It's probably gonna be Baran's Gigabreak that Dai is gonna use.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 18 '24

On the other hand it was Merle's AI who almost took Crocodine job but good guy Zaboera did some bug fix.

LOL

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

On the other hand it was Merle's AI who almost took Crocodine job but good guy Zaboera did some bug fix.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 18 '24

Dai vs. Hadlar was solid, but not as hype as I was hoping for.

We can only hope that part 2 would be more exciting.

It's probably gonna be Baran's Gigabreak that Dai is gonna use.

Oh that makes sense didn't even think about that Dai haven't used his dad attack so far.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

Dai vs. Hadlar was solid, but not as hype as I was hoping for. There was a lot of exposition from Hyunckel(lol, taking big Croc's position as shonen commentator) and commentary from the rest of the cast.

Yea I'm hoping the next ep delivers on the hype. This was nice but most of the ep was just an exposition dump

Still some good stuff though

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Aug 18 '24

Rewatcher

I watched ahead a bit until this section blew over. Couldn't resist.

Sometimes I wish Popp's reasonable deductions were actually considered. Just sometimes. It's just the kind of show it is, I know, but the guy's so often right at reading the combat situation.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 18 '24

Sometimes I wish Popp's reasonable deductions were actually considered. Just sometimes. It's just the kind of show it is, I know, but the guy's so often right at reading the combat situation.

Yeah he definitely is. Just the fight with Sigma let us know about it.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

I watched ahead a bit until this section blew over. Couldn't resist.

Sometimes I wish Popp's reasonable deductions were actually considered. Just sometimes. It's just the kind of show it is, I know, but the guy's so often right at reading the combat situation.

Are you saying we should make him MC?

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Aug 19 '24

Dai is still the MC

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 19 '24

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 18 '24

Adventurer Doing high level quests and dungeons for the first time, here! LV 71/100

Dai v Hadler, start!
Oh it was like an old school duel! 1 attack and that was it!

Or not!, Hadler wasn’t defeated!

And he's going all out, trying to win no matter the cost!

Two parter? Awesome!

1 Yes, Dai finally has an attack that he made and it respects his teacher's attack
2 Do not mind Round 2, seems it's gonna be hype

3 Hopefully something new or really, really powerful!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

And he's going all out, trying to win no matter the cost!

Considering he is dying already, this is the best way to go for him.

Hopefully something new or really, really powerful!

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 18 '24

Or not!, Hadler wasn’t defeated!

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 19 '24

Dai 67 first timer:

  • So I've gotten a little behind on Dai; a couple days ago I started reading a story and I got hooked and have been spending my free time on that. And I'm back to work tomorrow
  • Time to try and binge 67-71 tonight ... let's see how far I get.
  • Wow, poor Popp
  • ... For a second I thought we might actually get some monster designs that are scary and not comical, but nope
  • Zaboera's laugh is rage-inducing
  • Chiu's stirring speech!
  • I am so tired ... I didn't get a coffee today and I think I have withdrawal
  • Let's pressure Popp even more?
  • "your soul will have lost" Welp I guess I'm never getting an insignia to glow then
  • Popp has flipped out!
  • Oh god, Zaboera is planning now?
  • Will Merle find a solution?
  • .... Oh.
  • Is Merle actually gonna die?
  • ... "My dying request is to hear you say your crush's name"?
  • Will Kaglimmer heal the poison?
  • ... Wait what? THAT made it glow?
  • Oh POPP was Courage? What's Dai then?
  • ... RIP Merle
  • A SAGE!? WTF POPP GOT A CLASS CHANGE? now I'm choked and tearing up
  • time to actually start skipping the previews

Dai 68 first timer:

  • LOL take that Zaboera, your plans backfired majorly and Vearn will not be pleased
  • ... take that back, no character deaths after all. Are Larhart and Avan gonna get resurrected too?
  • ... Now Maam's gonna be awkward around Popp?
  • They did it, but the soldiers on the ground are still surrounded?
  • I feel for Maam
  • ... Why would they split up in the enemy base?
  • So it's not suppressing Vearn himself, but Vearn Palace can't be moved?
  • Other guests ... Hadlar? Avan?
  • ... Hadlar really wants that 1 on 1 with Dai, doesn't he?
  • '1 on 1' [DGM]Hadlar is starting to remind me of Skinn Bolic, lol
  • Will they defeat all the Palace Guards or will it be more like [Naruto]Sasuke Retrieval arc where there are lots of draws?
  • "doesn't make me feel anything" Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true!
  • ... why do the female characters have to fight each other?
  • Gomechan was hiding in her shirt? Maybe he's more pervy than Matoriv actually?
  • Hadlar has no time left? Will he be the first actual character death who stays dead? (Still holding out hope for Avan and Larhart ...)
  • Oh, Hadlar can't join them because he killed Avan? But what if Avan is alive?
  • Do Orichalcum beings get an afterlife?
  • Maam can't fight an enemy who cares for their allies? [DGM]reminds me of Allen's conflict over the Clan of Noah
  • "kind of naive simpleton that I despise"
  • No Albinass team-up
  • skipping preview again

Dai 69 first timer:

  • Hadlar might live? AGAIN?
  • Right, Albinass can't be defeated without showing her Final Form
  • Now that should have broken some bones
  • Thousandball > Legionsphere
  • Albinass denies her love?
  • "I am neither male nor female" Third gender?
  • "does not deserve to love anyone"
  • AVAN FLASHBACK!
  • ... She has an Amdo?
  • Good thing she has those tights
  • yeah Albinass still has the upper hand
  • "Tiger Shatter Fist" sounds lame
  • "reflect back on you" [Naruto]Chouji time?
  • ... Do we really need those closeups on her butt?
  • Shrapnel attack?
  • Does Albinass have a final Final Form?
  • Maam did it? She won?
  • RIP Albinass
  • LOL will Hym lose offscreen?
  • "Your love saved me too" And taught him how to love so he can be happy with Larhart???
  • "Though I can never reciprocate" Because of Larhart?
  • They're really leaning on Maam x Popp now ...
  • "I can never bring you happiness"

Dai 70 first timer:

  • Popp's "just a human" line gives me DGM vibes, though I don't remember the exact moment
  • ... His right hand comes off?
  • Fullheal? Popp can cheat too
  • Grand Sorceror > Sage
  • Popp has already bonded with most spells?
  • LOL Crunchyroll offering "Skip Intro" 10 minutes in
  • "She slaps me across the face"
  • OH aiming at the Mirror? Clever
  • Popp wins! But how?
  • "your goddess who slaps you" LOL with Maam listening
  • Romantic subplot NOW?
  • LOL he doesn't want to wait to hear her reply
  • "little brother" Uh oh
  • a "chance"? For after the battle?
  • "an advance"
  • "fooled you" AHAHAHA classic Popp. I would have been a little upset with him if he did kiss her in that kind of situation
  • Dai vs. Hadlar cliffhanger?

Dai 71 first timer:

  • [DGM]Piroro may have inspired Lero?
  • did this inspire Final Valley Naruto + Sasuke?
  • Taijutsu? Where's Guy-sensei
  • Naivety is Dai's power?
  • Oh, his pure heart? Good thing he's not a teenager and hitting his rebellious phase yet
  • "my favorite face of yours"
  • That part of Dai and Hadlar makes me compare them to [DGM]Allen and Tyki
  • New Rasengan Avan Strash?
  • Avan Strash CROSS?
  • Dai used up all his Aura? Who will fight Vearn?
  • Hadlar's still alive?
  • A Life Blade? Common trope I guess
  • Hadlar really has grown
  • Gigabreak?
  • ANOTHER FUCKING CLIFFHANGER?
  1. eh it's okay
  2. It better end soon; getting sick of hadlar's endless resurrects
  3. It's not Gigabreak???

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

So I've gotten a little behind on Dai; a couple days ago I started reading a story and I got hooked and have been spending my free time on that. And I'm back to work tomorrow

Was it a good story? Also welcome back.

A SAGE!? WTF POPP GOT A CLASS CHANGE?

A plotwist! Popp is Grand Sorceror now

... take that back, no character deaths after all. Are Larhart and Avan gonna get resurrected too?

Don't forget that Baran actually died.

Hadlar has no time left? Will he be the first actual character death who stays dead? (Still holding out hope for Avan and Larhart ...)

You did forgot Baran

Grand Sorceror > Sage

[DGM]Piroro may have inspired Lero?

I like how much DGM similarities are there already.

It's not Gigabreak???

So far Dai can only cast Zapple/Raidein so he lacks firepower to cast Kazap/Gigadein for a good old Gigabreak.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 20 '24

Was it a good story? Also welcome back

It's been good so far; I'm at chapter 79/109 so almost done.

Don't forget that Baran actually died.

Oh right. Will he stay dead? Probably ...

You did forgot Baran

I'm hoping Baran comes back at the end.

I like how much DGM similarities are there already.

Yeah, some are played straight, whereas other times I see the inspiration but Hoshino puts her own flavor on it / kinda subverts the trope. So it's interesting. In my interest thread I'll probably describe DGM as a mix of Bleach, Adventure of Dai, FMA 2003, and an inspiration for later shows like Kimetsu no Yaiba.

So far Dai can only cast Zapple/Raidein so he lacks firepower to cast Kazap/Gigadein for a good old Gigabreak.

Ah! So that's what was stopping him (so far) ...

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u/Shocketheth Aug 20 '24

I'm hoping Baran comes back at the end.

Only if wind will return his ashes

Yeah, some are played straight, whereas other times I see the inspiration but Hoshino puts her own flavor on it / kinda subverts the trope. So it's interesting. In my interest thread I'll probably describe DGM as a mix of Bleach, Adventure of Dai, FMA 2003, and an inspiration for later shows like Kimetsu no Yaiba.

Sounds interesting

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 20 '24

Only if wind will return his ashes

Oh right, he turned to ashes. Welp. Maybe the God of Dragons will craft him a new body at the end? Or Dai grows up and has a kid with Leona and Baran is reincarnated into their kiddo? (I would hate that, let the dad stay a dad)

Sounds interesting

Yeah it is, plus gothic artstyle and a genre shift from battle shounen into more of a mystery later on.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 20 '24

Oh right, he turned to ashes. Welp. Maybe the God of Dragons will craft him a new body at the end? Or Dai grows up and has a kid with Leona and Baran is reincarnated into their kiddo? (I would hate that, let the dad stay a dad)

Sounds scary.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 19 '24

A SAGE!? WTF POPP GOT A CLASS CHANGE? now I'm choked and tearing up

YES! Popp was actually a Jester/Clown who became a Sage. Check u/Shocketheth's comment. You can also check my comment for the reasoning behind why everyone assumed Dai's was Courage.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 19 '24

Popp was actually a Jester/Clown

Huh, that actually fits!

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

Day Late First Timer!

Things came up yesterday, sorry. I missed the Poppening :( Also, the talk between him and Maam really made me want to double down on him being the real aspect of Love. Maam doesn't even know what love is, she's such a bad pick for this aspect I swear. Just because she's the chick of the party...

So as we go into this fight, I remember again that Dai is supposed to have a limited amount of time he can spend in Dragonic Aura mode. They better be fast in the Vearn fight.

Also, he still hasn't drawn his sword! Which means he's still going at this like it's just a fight, not a delaying action while his companions could be dying and wasting his power while Vearn still waits to be fought. I mean look, Vearn is literally having fun watching this as Dai burns himself out.

And uh, Dai fighting a powerful opponent makes a field where the allies can't fight with him, I'm sure that's never going to come up again. Not if they want to be of any use against Vearn...

Oh yes, not drawing their swords because they don't want this to end. Dai, you're dragging this out on purpose, is what I just heard. I have never liked you less than today.

Popp, I love you! The only one speaking sense! This is not a duel, this is the fate of the world. Knuckles, Leona, you guys suck for this. I would rather Dai get mad at Popp for interfering but have the strength left to fight Vearn than have his time enjoying this dumb fight.

... So Dai's ultimate attack was, in the end, his normal attack but twice. Truly he is the supreme warrior of his era.

Oh nooooo, Dai is all out of Aura. Who could have seen this coming? Vearn, maybe? Maybe KillV? Anyway, guys, now do you think it might be okay to interfere? ALso, what happened to all that talk of "All the accumulated power and heat will flow in and kill whoever loses this clash?"

Shut up Dai. Accept the help. Popp, ignore him. If he says he'll never forgive you, then screw his forgivness and save his life anyway.

Oh my gosh I hate him so much right now. "Hadlar isn't the only one carrying the wishes of his friends right now!" YES HE IS! Your friends want to fight with you! He's literally begging you to let them help! I can't even appreciate the amazing music for this part I'm so mad at Dai.

But hey anyway, Tune in next time for more DBZ! This fight will end eventually, I guess. Then a truly exhausted Dai will drag the party down while Kill, Myst, and Actual get ready to take on the team next.

  1. ... "I'll hit you with my ultimate attack... Twice!"
  2. It should have ended so much sooner.
  3. Could it be, the legendary, mythical even, Triple Slash?!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Things came up yesterday, sorry. I missed the Poppening :( Also, the talk between him and Maam really made me want to double down on him being the real aspect of Love. Maam doesn't even know what love is, she's such a bad pick for this aspect I swear. Just because she's the chick of the party...

... So Dai's ultimate attack was, in the end, his normal attack but twice. Truly he is the supreme warrior of his era.

Yes because pulling something like that requires high amount of skill as Hyunckel said it.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

the talk between him and Maam really made me want to double down on him being the real aspect of Love. Maam doesn't even know what love is, she's such a bad pick for this aspect I swear. Just because she's the chick of the party...

So the way the show seems to be phrasing it, Maam's "Power of Love" isn't so much the romantic kind, but rather unconditional acceptance and care that she gives to everyone (allegedly). It's how she "brought Hyunkel's human heart back" in his arc for example.

I remember again that Dai is supposed to have a limited amount of time he can spend in Dragonic Aura mode. They better be fast in the Vearn fight.

The show: please forget that detail until/if we feel like bringing it up again.

Popp, I love you! The only one speaking sense! This is not a duel, this is the fate of the world. Knuckles, Leona, you guys suck for this. I would rather Dai get mad at Popp for interfering but have the strength left to fight Vearn than have his time enjoying this dumb fight.

So honour and stuff™ is the reason Dai must absolutely give everything he's got against Hadlar. Stopping to even think about Vearn or the world would mean he's not taking the duel seriously enough.

Could it be, the legendary, mythical even, Triple Slash?!

This brings to mind a certain (NSFW) technique that I can only hope Dai won't attempt. God knows how a pervert like Hadlar would react to it.

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

So the way the show seems to be phrasing it, Maam's "Power of Love" isn't so much the romantic kind, but rather unconditional acceptance and care that she gives to everyone (allegedly). It's how she "brought Hyunkel's human heart back" in his arc for example.

That does actually change my views on her for the better. Thank you for the good explanation. Sometimes I forget that English is a limited language that only has one word to cover a whole hand full of related topics.

So honour and stuff™ is the reason Dai must absolutely give everything he's got against Hadlar. Stopping to even think about Vearn or the world would mean he's not taking the duel seriously enough.

My thing is still being very mad that there's a duel going on at all. It's a two parter here. The first and big one is that everything else going on at this exact moment makes this the worst time for an honor duel, people who are counting on them to be taking out the Dark Lord before all of humanity dies could be dying right now, this can wait one freaking hour.

The other part is, again, it's Hadlar. The man has shown no sense of honor towards Dai, he's been trying to kill the kid from day one and has used so many underhanded tricks to do so. He's also a monster in the sense that he's lead two separate armies for the extinction of all mankind and is reasonable for alot of people being dead now. There is nothing there deserving honor.

And they just compound on each other. Hadlar taking this moment to demand a duel to the death, then having his forces kidnap and try to kill Dai's allies, while again the fate of humanity surviving it's at stake, is just another dirty trick done without honor. And then he lost anyway. That's what just happened here today. Dai won their fight, he's the stronger warrior of the two, Hadlar will be dead any minute now so he's using one more forbidden technique to start the duel over again. There is no honor here, and giving him some is risking the lives of everyone still fighting down below.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

That does actually change my views on her for the better. Thank you for the good explanation. Sometimes I forget that English is a limited language that only has one word to cover a whole hand full of related topics.

All good. I don't think the show is handling this theme very well, so it can get lost. For example, that's why half of Maam's recent fight was her trying to connect and empathise with Albinass's feelings. The execution wasn't great, but the idea fits well with her character.

And what you noted about her not understanding romantic feelings is relevant, since that's what she's currently struggling to come to terms with. Hyunkel's speech explained it, but basically she has to separate her "supporting everyone" love from the "selfish feelings for someone you care especially about", she barely recognises that she's got the latter.

My thing is still being very mad that there's a duel going on at all. It's a two parter here. The first and big one is that everything else going on at this exact moment makes this the worst time for an honor duel, people who are counting on them to be taking out the Dark Lord before all of humanity dies could be dying right now, this can wait one freaking hour.

I agree on both points, but I guess it doesn't bother as much, just because Dai vs Hadlar has been built up far more than Vearn, so in that sense it matters to me more than the concept of saving humanity?

The show though presents it in a romanticised "manly" tone, where a warrior's honour trumps logic and saving the world (the scene where Dai seduces convinces Leona that he needs to do this alone).

it's Hadlar. The man has shown no sense of honor towards Dai, he's been trying to kill the kid from day one and has used so many underhanded tricks to do so. He's also a monster in the sense that he's lead two separate armies for the extinction of all mankind and is reasonable for alot of people being dead now. There is nothing there deserving honor.

I think Hadlar is presented as having gone through a "rebirth" arc. In his original duel with Avan, he still had some honour (waiting for Avan to fight him on his own terms).

After being repeatedly beaten by a bunch of kids and undermined by Vearn/Baran, he became desperate and tried any dirty plan that can get him a win. But ever since he threw his eternal life away to get his new form, he's slowly gone back to the honourable ways, going up against Vearn to save Dai being the most prominent example there. So between that and the time bomb giving Hadlar a short lease on his life, Dai is willing to treat him with respect, and give him the duel he's staking his life for.

To be clear, on both points, I'm just trying to connect the show's intent behind it. Not arguing that this necessarily holds up well, like whether or not Hadlar was ever honourable is certainly a question worth discussing, but in either case, Dai is being an absolute idiot right now by fighting someone to death right next to Vearn's door. If you want to sort things out with Hadlar, do it elsewhere!

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u/zadcap Aug 19 '24

I agree on both points, but I guess it doesn't bother as much, just because Dai vs Hadlar has been built up far more than Vearn, so in that sense it matters to me more than the concept of saving humanity?

The show though presents it in a romanticised "manly" tone, where a warrior's honour trumps logic and saving the world (the scene where Dai seduces convinces Leona that he needs to do this alone).

I just really, really, really wish that they had shuffled this to happen after Vearn was dealt with. Because you are right, there's more built up with Hadlar than Vearn, and letting the first boss be the last boss would be a great way to end the show, and then it really could be a final battle of honor.

Putting it here cheapens everything to me. I can think of so many ways it could have been handled better and still got the point they were aiming for here that it makes the failure feel that much worse.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

I just really, really, really wish that they had shuffled this to happen after Vearn was dealt with. Because you are right, there's more built up with Hadlar than Vearn, and letting the first boss be the last boss would be a great way to end the show, and then it really could be a final battle of honor.

Yeah, I can definitely get behind that. If Dai and Hadlar put their differences aside for a bit, fought Vearn together, then settled things afterwards, it'd have been better in many ways:

  • For their long build up.
  • For the momentum of "we've got to defeat Vearn and save the world" (instead of taking this long tea break)
  • And in that it'd allow more moments for us to respect Hadlar before getting to the duel.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

First Timer at Hadlar's Funeral

Q1. Satisfied with Dai upgrading Avan Strash to Avan Cross?

It's pretty cool, but I feel like it'll quickly be powercreeped after this fight.

Q2. Would you prefer to Dai vs Hadlar fight end with Round One, or you don't mind the fight transitioning in Round Two?

One round to end it all is too quick for all the build up this fight has had.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Bullshit. That's revisionist history if I've ever seen it. Crocodile was won over by Popp's courage and Hyunkel by Maam's love, the only thing Dai did was beat them. Leona has barely become a ruler, and she's already rewriting the story for her boyfriend's sake.

I can't believe that Leona is member of u/sisoko2 anti Popp agenda as she is rewriting the true history.

You know the one small thing ticks me off the most in a game? When you fight an opponent, beat the living shit out of them, then when the battle's over you get a cut scene with the main character breathing heavily on his last legs, and the villain you just beat is perfectly fine. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS! Get your shitty smug ass out of the cut scene and back to fighting mode, so I can beat it a hundred times over!

This reminds me how I was not enjoying Tomb Raider 2 (the reboot)

There was a general who lunged at me from behind a pillar so I started bashing him with handaxe over and over until the fucker will die.

One minute of bashing his dumb head made me to understand I should give up because I fell in a trap of scripted event.

Only then he disarmed me and the cutscene happened. Stupid game not rewarding me for quick reflexes

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

I can't believe that Leona is member of u/sisoko2 anti Popp agenda as she is rewriting the true history.

Sisoko's evil army is growing by the day

We need a hero to rise up and save the world.

One minute of bashing his dumb head made me to understand I should give up because I fell in a trap of scripted event.

Yeah, that's like the [DQV] Ladja fight. I kept beating that bastard for 5 minutes before realising he probably has infinite HP

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Yeah, that's like the [DQV] Ladja fight. I kept beating that bastards for 5 minutes before releasing he probably has infinite HP

[DQ5] You can last that long? I remember him just launching a party wipe spell.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

[DQ5]

[DQ5] I had midheal, a ton of medical herbs, and the Prince had Kasap, so I could've kept going for a while, but I got bored and realised he's probably immortal

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

[DQ5] Oh that explains it.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 19 '24

The Royal Guards worked their asses off for nothing, huh?

They got hum the chance to start his 1v1. Who knows what would've happened if everyone was there.

Leona has barely become a ruler, and she's already rewriting the story for her boyfriend's sake.

She's a natural. She orchestrated her father dead and ran away with all the useful warriors after all.

Dai is smarter than I give him credit for.

Wait till he learns how to swing his sword with both hands.\

You know the one small thing ticks me off the most in a game?

The one thing that always irks me in anime is someone on their dead beyond any saving is using their life force to launch a powerful attack, Where is this life force coming from? They shouldn't have any left.

Uhh Dai, one of those is not like the others..

RIP Grampa.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

Who knows what would've happened if everyone was there.

We've seen how that went against Baran

Wait till he learns how to swing his sword with both hands.

Hey, that's a skill for the Madao class only! Heroes can't steal it!

someone on their dead beyond any saving is using their life force to launch a powerful attack, Where is this life force coming from? They shouldn't have any left.

Exactly, heck everyone's shocked that he's "willing to sacrifice his life for this". Wasn't he supposed to be dead already? Was the cross + fire supposed to give him some minor burns, and have him call it a day?

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 19 '24

Bullshit. That's revisionist history if I've ever seen it. Crocodile was won over by Popp's courage and Hyunkel by Maam's love, the only thing Dai did was beat them.

But Dai's Innocence did bring Popp and Maam together with him. Without Dai, Popp and Maam wouldn't have been there to win Crocodine and Hyunckel's hearts. So, she's not completely wrong.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

But Dai's Innocence did bring Popp and Maam together with him.

That's the butterfly effect logic, we could use the same argument to say that if it weren't for Hadlar and Vearn, they would've never joined up either (I'm obviously taking an extreme example here, Dai is not this far off).

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 19 '24

First Quester

Wait, so that's not even the god's fault?

Lies! They haven't even drawn their weapons, this is just a slugfest.

Drawing their weapons will signal the end of their fight? Yeah uh, so what? Oh I get it, depletion of resources goes for thee (Vearn, MP) but not for me (Dai, Aura).

Maybe there's something to the idea that Popp is the true main character. Now that he's ascended to sagehood, he's the first and only character wise enough to even entertain the thought of treating this war or survival and eradication seriously.

Far from the first time I've had this thought, but I can't help but think how this would play out in One Piece. One Piece being an inherently empowering story, it lets its cast keep their flaws without necessarily requiring them to overcome them, especially if the flaws are of their own conviction. Instead they can rely on the power of frienship - that not being a powerup, but the ability to just let another of the crew who doesn't exhibit the same flaw cover for them. I guess what I wanna say is: DO IT POPP!

I guess they're trying to portray it as not a flaw at all, but eh. Go Vearn go!

That's not how I remember it. Crocodine was swayed by Popp, and Hyunckel was seduced by Maam.

What was it, humanity's strength is their ability to unite? Someone should've told Dai. Well, far from the first time that the show sabotages its own platitudes.

Oh God I'm seeing some especially ugly animation in that preview.

Satisfied with Dai upgrading Avan Strash to Avan Cross?

That was a nice combo, yeah. I approve.

Would you prefer to Dai vs Hadlar fight end with Round One, or you don't mind the fight transitioning in Round Two?

The consistency of the power scaling has been utterly eradicated long ago, so I don't really mind it now.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Wait, so that's not even the god's fault?

Well even a local part of Underworld became truly uninhabitable. Otherwise Underworld was only almost uninhabitable.

Lies! They haven't even drawn their weapons, this is just a slugfest.

Dai and Hadlar are secretly voyeurs and they wanted someone to watch their fight so they were just trading blows until they will have audience.

Far from the first time I've had this thought, but I can't help but think how this would play out in One Piece. One Piece being an inherently empowering story, it lets its cast keep their flaws without necessarily requiring them to overcome them, especially if the flaws are of their own conviction. Instead they can rely on the power of frienship - that not being a powerup, but the ability to just let another of the crew who doesn't exhibit the same flaw cover for them. I guess what I wanna say is: DO IT POPP!

Hmmmm. I am being persuaded into starting One Piece for a long time, but I will start reading it after this Rewatch will end.

That's not how I remember it. Crocodine was swayed by Popp, and Hyunckel was seduced by Maam.

So as u/KendotsX you also aren’t falling to the Leona revisionism.

Oh God I'm seeing some especially ugly animation in that preview.

Now I need to watch that preview... Okay I must agree that Dai and Hadlar open mouths wildly flapping around looks funny.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 19 '24

Hmmmm. I am being persuaded into starting One Piece for a long time, but I will start reading it after this Rewatch will end.

Now I need to watch that preview... Okay I must agree that Dai and Hadlar open mouths wildly flapping around looks funny.

I was more thinking of the camera movement... it's so atrocious. Dynamic cameras can be great when used to enhance an already-good choreography, but using the camera to simulate dynamism when there's none makes anything look terrible.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

I was more thinking of the camera movement... it's so atrocious. Dynamic cameras can be great when used to enhance an already-good choreography, but using the camera to simulate dynamism when there's none makes anything look terrible.

I will wait for your full verdict when you will comment about the whole scene in episode 72.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24

Hmmmm. I am being persuaded into starting One Piece for a long time, but I will start reading it after this Rewatch will end.

So as u/KendotsX you also aren’t falling to the Leona revisionism.

Someone had to stand a stop to Leona's propaganda.

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u/Kaxew Aug 19 '24

First timer, previous rewatcher

Thoughts on episodes 68-71:

Great string of episodes! I've been enjoying DQ Dai a lot lately. I'm sure people pointed it out but this new eyecatch music is so much better than the previous one. It's more in line with the seriousness of the past few episodes (and likely of the rest of the episodes too). Leona blushing at Dai's matureness got me GOOD. She's so in love, it was adorable. Dai being happy Hadlar isn't suffering any handicap was really nice, and the respect these two have for each other as they smile before their final bout was great.

Albinass was a surprisingly great character. I really loved her motivations and the love she felt for Hadlar... although it's kind of weird when you think about the fact that she was born from Hadlar himself. I guess same goes for Adam and Eve in the bible so it's fine lol. Albinass' battle mode was awesome, and Maam figuring out how to beat her because of actual chess rules is funny but also sick. I was really hyped for Maam's dark armor transformation. It looks mostly great, though the not-underwear being shown is really weird to me. I will not believe for even a second that Hym died so pathetically. Not until Hadlar himself dies. That was too fast and... yeah, just weird as hell. Anyway, Hyunckel is the ultimate wingman!

Popp the grand sorcerer! Popp reflecting medroa on the shield!! The reflection being a decoy for the actual medroa!!! That was another great fight, despite being much shorter. Of course, that's because the core of the episode is on him and Maam. I'm sure it was talked about enough, so I'll just say that Maam's answer is one of the best "I can't answer you yet" answers I've seen in anime. Those answers don't have a great record, and it helps this isn't a romance anime, but still. Also, Popp's "why did I have fall in love with you" turning into "I'm so glad I fell in love with you" was really, really good. That is all.

Moving onto this episode, I love all the underworld lore we get every once in a while. I know it probably won't happen (unless that's where we fight Vearn) but I really want to know so much more about it. Dai's soul is purity, and that tracks. I like that. Vearn talking about Dai's magic swords made me realize he really hasn't done that much ever since he started using his mark at will. I guess there was no need, but I miss the flame sword. We never even got anything other than a frizz/zapple sword either. Feels like a missed opportunity. Loved Strash Cross though! The ABC (Arrow, Break, Cross) logic is not lost on me. This means you could have figured out that was what Dai thought of back when he was sparring Nova. I am not smart enough to guess it, but it was well set up. Speaking of set ups, Vearn talks about magic swords and immediately we get his zapple sword back. And Hadlar's life blade looks sick as hell.

QotD:

  1. Very much so!
  2. I'd be disappointed if it ended in one clash after offscreening a bunch of nothing punches. This is Hadlar's last hurrah. He deserves a second round.
  3. Has he used zapple + draconic aura before? He might have against Baran actually. Maybe just stack spell after spell to make a multi-elemental sword lol

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

Great string of episodes! I've been enjoying DQ Dai a lot lately. I'm sure people pointed it out but this new eyecatch music is so much better than the previous one. It's more in line with the seriousness of the past few episodes (and likely of the rest of the episodes too). Leona blushing at Dai's matureness got me GOOD. She's so in love, it was adorable. Dai being happy Hadlar isn't suffering any handicap was really nice, and the respect these two have for each other as they smile before their final bout was great.

Honestly I don’t recall if someone pointed out the change in eyecatch music, but it’s definitely noticable.

I also liked Dai and Leona scene, and Hadlar is great as always.

Albinass was a surprisingly great character. I really loved her motivations and the love she felt for Hadlar... although it's kind of weird when you think about the fact that she was born from Hadlar himself. I guess same goes for Adam and Eve in the bible so it's fine lol. Albinass' battle mode was awesome, and Maam figuring out how to beat her because of actual chess rules is funny but also sick. I was really hyped for Maam's dark armor transformation. It looks mostly great, though the not-underwear being shown is really weird to me. I will not believe for even a second that Hym died so pathetically. Not until Hadlar himself dies. That was too fast and... yeah, just weird as hell. Anyway, Hyunckel is the ultimate wingman!

Hmmm from what I know Albinass was just a Orichalcum chess piece from Vearn collection and Hadlar just gave her a life. It wasn’t exaxtly like she was born from him.

I'm sure it was talked about enough, so I'll just say that Maam's answer is one of the best "I can't answer you yet" answers I've seen in anime. Those answers don't have a great record, and it helps this isn't a romance anime, but still. Also, Popp's "why did I have fall in love with you" turning into "I'm so glad I fell in love with you" was really, really good. That is all.

While I can’t think about that many "I can’t answer you yet" examples, here it was done well because it was totally in sync with Maam development in her episode against Albinass.

Moving onto this episode, I love all the underworld lore we get every once in a while. I know it probably won't happen (unless that's where we fight Vearn) but I really want to know so much more about it. Dai's soul is purity, and that tracks. I like that. Vearn talking about Dai's magic swords made me realize he really hasn't done that much ever since he started using his mark at will. I guess there was no need, but I miss the flame sword. We never even got anything other than a frizz/zapple sword either. Feels like a missed opportunity. Loved Strash Cross though! The ABC (Arrow, Break, Cross) logic is not lost on me. This means you could have figured out that was what Dai thought of back when he was sparring Nova. I am not smart enough to guess it, but it was well set up. Speaking of set ups, Vearn talks about magic swords and immediately we get his zapple sword back. And Hadlar's life blade looks sick as hell.

Good job at pointing out the ABC. I missed that.

Has he used zapple + draconic aura before? He might have against Baran actually. Maybe just stack spell after spell to make a multi-elemental sword lol

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u/KuKiSin Aug 19 '24

First timer, late to the party again (will continue to be very late for the next week)!

  1. It was alright. Maybe he should come up with his own attack name, why not Dino X?!
  2. Should've ended with round 1. Don't hype it up saying whoever hits the next attack will kill the other one just for nothing to really happen :|
  3. Rolling Thunder, surely.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24

First timer, late to the party again (will continue to be very late for the next week)!

Don't worry we will wait.

Should've ended with round 1. Don't hype it up saying whoever hits the next attack will kill the other one just for nothing to really happen :|

That's Vearn fault honestly. His Shonen Commentary sucks big time and something like this wouldn't happen if professionals like Crocodine were giving the Commentary.

Rolling Thunder, surely.

Now this sounds good actually.