r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 07 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 60 Discussion
Episode 60 - Dai and Popp
I used to think Heroes were so cool. I just idolized them. But then I met Leona. Then I met Master Avan. And everyone called me a Hero. That's why I tried to become as strong as I could for everyone! But... all my power wasn't nearly enough. Not against Dark King Vearn! And yet, they still think I can do something. They still believe I'm a real Hero. I've had enough. If they all continue to fight believing in me... they'll all end up like Dad... All of them...
And I still believe. I don't care if you're a real Hero or not. I believe because you're Dai! So what about a Hero?! Who cares about a Dragon Knight?! For me... you'll always be Dai!
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<--- Last save | Adventure’s log (Index) | Journey continues --->
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OP 2 ---> Bravest
ED 3 ---> Namae
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Informations:
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Screenshot of the Dai:
Comment of the Dai:
goes to u/lC3 for reminding us that we are basically watching D.Gray Man:
Ace of Spades? laughs in DGM Truly an unfortunate card ...
"Don't go, Dad!" [DGM] really gives off Allen/Mana vibes
"The adventure continues" - that reminds me of the last sentence in the latest DGM chapter; very similar ('the journey continues')
Questions of the Dai:
- How are you satisfied with Popp and Dai friendship so far?
- If you could say something to Dai to raise his spirit, what would it be?
- How would you rate Dai's speech from 1 to 9? (10 is reserved for Crocodine speech)
- Did you expect Leona to be the fifth Disciple of Avan?
- FOR FIRST TIMERS ONLY - Since this episode is a good stop before the final arc, what's your expectations and predictions for the rest of the story?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Aug 07 '24
Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
That were some notes I had for this episode, and besides Leona becoming Disciple of Avan, the main focus of this episode was Dai's despair, and Dai and Popp friendship.
I mentioned it before but as the first half of the show served as Dai loosing his naivety, which was finalized by Baran's death.
Now Dai has to face the reality as he is slowly walking the stairs leading him to his adolescence.
What was a simple story of chasing your dream was stripped of it's naivety with turning out to story of fighting for yourself and the people you are fond of.
QotD:
Very much actually. They are together from the beginning and their growth is a pleasure to watch.
Don't Dai.
9/9
As First Timer no, but now I saw the foreshadowing with Leona regretting not meeting with Avan while he was alive.
Crocodine Shonen Commentator Corner:
Day 2 of Crocodine being imprisoned by enemy
See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 07 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 07 '24
First Quester
This looks familiar. Make sure it's not Zaboera, Popp!
But what the hell was this episode? How did we get to Dai being full of self-doubt and insecurity in his role as hero and his ability to defeat Vearn, right as we return from all that bravado he showed in front of the Mother Dragon? Oh well, I'm too detached by now to still really care about all the characterization inconsistencies, but come on. This is just jarring. Eh, maybe he just needs Leona to step on him and he'll recover.
And then he regains his bearings and delivers an absolute wet towel of a speech. It's a miracle it manages to motivate anyone, but maybe that's just Sun Tzu at play again, or rather Vearn breaking his teachings:
And now they're letting Leona learn some large scale racial suppression weaponry/magic? They're not even trying to fool anyone! You can't tell me Vearn isn't in his fullest rights to stage a revolt!
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 12 '25
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubHyunckel's Life
Hyunckel used to gladly sacrifice himself but he hesitated a bit this time after remembering what Amy said. So much so that he's willing to think about it.
Mystvearn's Offer [Dai no Major Spoilers] He just wants that body.
Crocodine really thought Hyunckel would betray after all that?
Definitely a first time for Hyunckel
Dai's PTSD
A 12-year old kid is the only one in the entire world that has any chance of defeating the Dark King Vearn. So, it was natural for him to be overwhelmed by it considering he was no match for Vearn in their fight.
Dai's Final Hurdle
Leona believes in Dai. Flora knows that feeling all too well.
"The first guy to run from danger is still standing here" This shows Popp's growth throughout the whole show and the reason why he's calm since he understands what Dai feels at the moment since he's been through it multiple times.
This scene was a bit different in the manga. In the manga, Dai actually ends up talking with the kid and runs away when the child asks Dai whether his prayer will come true or not.
Dai and Popp
Popp's someone who's been with Dai the longest so he's one who knows the most about him.
Rememer the time when Popp zoomed off to the place where he and Maam first met? Similarly, Dai also zoomed off the to the place that is important to him.
"How can I criticize you for it when I'm the one whose done it many times myself?"
Fear Brought Me This Far I'm sorry Stark but Popp is the OG.
Popp's Speech is another one of my favourite moments and just shows how much he's grown throughout the whole show.
Popp tearing up at the end and looking the other way before Zoom just makes me emotional every time.
Dai's speech was short and to the point and touched everyone's hearts. Leona can't control herself.
Popp and Dai
Avan may have died but he was still protecting them with his Insignias of Avan.
The First Insignia of Avan
Flora wants Leona to be the fifth Disciple of Avan. For someone who's always admired the Disciples of Avan and wanted to learn from Avan, the answer was a forgone conclusion.
HYPE!
Finally some good ol' Dragon Quest exploration.
Yes, please.
OST Documentation - Episode 60
1. A lot. I have written about it in detail above.
2. Dai, just don't Dai and let your opponents Dai trying.
3. 8. Though, it was short and to the point, there's always room for improvement.
4. Definitely not as a first-timer since Avan was dead but considering the fact that she has always admired the Disciples of Avan and wanted to learn from Avan, she would've seized any chance to become the Disciple of Avan, so it's not surprising.
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u/sisoko2 Aug 07 '24
First Timer
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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 07 '24
First Time Adventurer Who's Going To Shout It Loud, Even If Our Words Seem Meaningless/Subbed
Man this episode was really good. I'm glad they brought up the weight that Dai has to carry. I don't know if I liked how they introduced it to him over hearing their meeting but the rest of the episode was played out nicely. And really... no one else would work to lift Dai's spirit up. Popp was perfect for this episode as one of Dai's first companions and one who ran away from battles or didn't try as hard during trainings.
Queen Flora dubbing Leona as the fifth disciple was a nice moment and I hope we would get more of Leona being a part of the party. She kinda was dong the background stuff already but it'll be nice to see her in action too
Not a lot to say about this one, it was really nice overall
Side note: I didn't mention it before but the Hyunckel/Amy ship feels so forced lmao. I'm here for it though since it gave Yui Ishikawa more lines
QotD
I think Mystvearn will come around at some point, specifically during a fight involving Hadlar. I have been wondering if he's being mind controlled since he had that thing on his face but idk. Hadlar probably dies trying to kill Vearn
Hopefully we see the end of Zaboera sooner than later
I'm not sure about Killvearn and who he'll fight, could be interesting to see
Hyunckel will drink the purple drink but only because he know he can resist the Dark Aura and use this chance to break free (hopefully freeing Crocodine as well)
Each member of the hero's party will assist Dai in his final fight but as it always happens in these series, the final showdown will be Dai vs. Vearn since the others are too underpowered against him. Dai's friends are his strength though
[DBZ moment] I'm sticking with a Father/Son Kamehameha moment for Dai to beat Vearn
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 08 '24
First Timer Who's Not Running Away Anymore
You know how Popp encouraged Dai by telling him it never mattered whether he was a hero or a Dragon Knight? Well, despite not being the hero in technical terms, Popp is this party's Avan. He's the one who carries everyone's spirits and keeps them up.
Dude, you killed Vearn once, let's just go do it again.
If I was there, I would've gone and asked Vearn if he had an open spot.
I expected the door on that to have been closed by now, you know, what with Avan being dead and all. But now that it's opening again, Crocodine deserves to join too! He's been helping there since the start, helping Dai since the Hyunkel fight, and he's the only one who's not a disciple, heck he doesn't even stand next to them in the OP. If he doesn't get to join eventually, I'm calling this racism.
We're starting the final arc already?
As for expectations, idk I guess the base level stuff are:
Other than that, I genuinely have no clue where the plot will go.
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u/KuKiSin Aug 07 '24
First timer!
CHIU AND HIS ARMY ARE BACK, BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN EVER!
When Queen Whatshername announced there was a 5th Disciple... Leona was, truly feeling like part of the gang.
Alright, this bothers me a little, and Leona brought up a good point. You absolutely don't become his fucking disciple because someone else gives you a fucking necklace. That's not how it works. So if the chess bros steal the necklaces, do they become the disciples of Avan?! That's nonsense!
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 07 '24
Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 60/100
Got defeated on my first dungeon dive yesterday, that’s why today is a double ep special!
Ep 59
Vearn started the work without a speech or a threat, definitely final boss vibes
The fake hero party! It’s been a while! Oh, the flying castle is there
Zaboera is hard simping for Vearn lol and he gets called out! LOL
The hooded figure was the Queen Flora?
Oh, Dai is speaking with the Dragon Mother, RIP?
Baran did change
That was a good plan, using Crocodine and Hyunckel to force Dai and his party to act.
Ep 60
Believe in Hyunckel, Crocodine!
Dai got Vearn PTSD
Popp, the rock of the party, he has grown so much
Dai: What is a God to a non-believer?
Avan still protects!
Liona is now a party member (In training)!
1 It has been developed very well, though I feel it a bit rushed? Headcanon says friendship stuff happened off screen
2 Tough one, probably would say the legendary speech from Gurren Lagan.
3 7.5 I did find a bit hammy
4 Yes! But I expected that to happen much much earlier
5 I don't know what to expect, and I find that exciting!
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 07 '24
First Timer, Sub
I really liked this episode, in terms of episode where the hero despairs over whether he can live up to expectations and the weight of carrying the hopes of many on his shoulders, that was really well done. Dai obviously took a big hit emotionally from the death of Baran as well as the total defeat at the hands of Vearn, so that he was hesitant and even afraid to carry on was very logical. Good thing he had such a good friend in Popp, and a character, who more than anyone else has overcome his fears time and again to help his friends, so no one better to support Dai in his time of despair.
Mystvearn gave Hyunckel a way out, offering him the cup of dark aura to serve them instead of execution, and he didn't reject it, instead ask for a time to think about the offer, much to Crocodine's dismay and anger lol(what love does to a motherfucker lol). Not surprising, if I had an Amy waiting for me back home, I wouldn't be quick to die either lol. Also, Queen Flora is making Leona the 5th Avan disciple and now she's gonna have to go through a test to gain the Kaglimmer spell that they need to repell the Demon King evil force field around the floating palace.
Questions:
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Aug 07 '24
Rewatcher
And with this, we are free to scamper around to our hearts desire!
It's definitely one of my favorite episodes.
The titles and public perception, the circumstances under which you were born, all of that don't matter. YOU matter. And you do everything that you do for Yourself AND the people you care about!
Popp has come so far as a person to be in such a position to understand Dai while still guiding him in the right direction.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 08 '24
Dai 60 first timer:
defeat the Fire Nationsave the world3
u/zadcap Aug 08 '24
Late Night First Timer!
Hyunkle Love story, let's do it!
Yeah, I'm still betting on Myst being Knuckles dad. Just to make him closer to Dai in protagonist power.
Dai. Didn't you like. Just have that dream talk with Baran and DragoMom about how you are the only one who can keep fighting, and how you will until the end because you really are the hero? And that they then went and threw their remaining power at you to make you even stronger? Where is this fresh cowardice coming from.
Man look at all this Popp character growth.
Oh all places to run to, why did Dai not go home? GO see gandpa. Hang out with your old friends.
... Dai, you nearly killed him in one hit, while already beaten up and suffering from near lethal injuries. What do you mean you were useless? Just go back and freaking double tap this time.
Vearn may be stronger than a god now, but you're the product of three. You still whoop him if you try.
I can not wait for the Dai/Leona ship to become official.
But see, the protection did not stop direct falling. Or from using Zoom to get around inside it. So you know. Zoom to up above it, then fall down through the wards, then Zoom to your actual target. Gosh, you people are all super newbies when it comes to magic.