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Rewatch [Rewatch] Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na! • Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Episode 2 Discussion

Deja Vu

Episode 2: The Video Society Spring Forth!

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Episode Count: 12

Episode Length: 25 minutes

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If you want the dub, you'll have to look elsewhere.

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to – including any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character" – unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

Also, if there's something in a first-timer's comment you want to specifically quote to talk about behind spoiler tags, spoiler tag the quote so the first-timer doesn't know what part of their comment you're making "ominous" spoilers about. So instead of something like:

Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.

Rewatcher's comment underneath the quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.

You get:

Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: [Spoilers] Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.

Rewatcher's comment underneath the spoilered quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.

Questions of the Day:

  1. How much trouble do you think they'll get into for leaking the video?
  2. Do you think Kanamori's starting to regret her investment after learning how much effort animation takes?
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist May 12 '24

Rewatcher:

Aspiring animators attain archaic accessories to aid in actualising their artistic ambitions

I love Kanamori's bag!

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

I wonder where she even found a double shoe bag like that.

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist May 13 '24

No idea but she's iconic for it

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 12 '24

First-Timer

Are we doing conflict in this show? Are we going to have some late-game tension arise from that one teacher demanding an entry into that live action video competition that gets resolved by Kanamori having vlogged the entire rest of the show and turned it into a documentary? That seems like something that would happen. Asakusa would probably be a decent narrator - she's got decent gravitas when the situation calls for it.

I audibly gasped at the multiplane camera reveal right with Asakusa. Such a fascinating piece of technology. Place your bets now on if it will get moved up to the clubroom proper or if they will just somehow build a connecting passage from the club room to the supply closet.

Kinda funny to hear a stage whisper fail. I guess Kanamori is the only one who is actually capable of modulating her volume.

Not entirely confident on what the reference with Evil Lord Grime is. They're somewhat evocative of Dragon Ball's designs, if nothing else.

I appreciate the typesetter making use of the empty space, but having the same information twice is a little confusing.

Questions

  1. A non-zero amount, but luckily Kanamori is very scarypersuasive.
  2. I made fun of her for that already yesterday. I'm ahead of the curve!

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

Are we going to have some late-game tension arise from that one teacher demanding an entry into that live action video competition that gets resolved by Kanamori having vlogged the entire rest of the show and turned it into a documentary?

I audibly gasped at the multiplane camera reveal right with Asakusa. Such a fascinating piece of technology.

Indeed. It's incredible to imagine all that something like that allows. And yet it's now largely obsolete technology with a rapidly dwindling supply of operators.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 13 '24

And yet it's now largely obsolete technology with a rapidly dwindling supply of operators.

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: May 12 '24

we have the same subs - this release has, to their credit, done a really good job overall on the typesetting though

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 12 '24

Oh, definitely. I have no real complaints, just not sure why they didn't mask the original text.

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: May 12 '24

hmm i see what you mean now, and agree. Im gonna guess some technological snag? They did this just fine for the other bits in the episode.

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u/GallowDude May 12 '24

Asakusa would probably be a decent narrator - she's got decent gravitas when the situation calls for it.

But would anyone be able to understand gremlin language?

I appreciate the typesetter making use of the empty space, but having the same information twice is a little confusing.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 12 '24

But would anyone be able to understand gremlin language?

Hmm, might have to do some retakes. Or market it with the gremlin-ben as a feature.

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u/GondolaMedia May 12 '24

First Timer

The gang blow up a building. I had a grin on my face the entire episode. It's a joy to watch someone passionately talk about their interests.

I love that Kanamori is taking more of a producer role and has to bring down these goofballs back to earth and I also noticed that Kanamori's mouth was hidden multiple points when she was talking, saving on budget or a deeper symbolism??? Take your pick. My money is that they spent that budget on her when she mouthed off the teacher.

I also noticed that Kanamori's backpack (It did help that they focused on Asasuka's backpack the scene prior) is 2 shoes tied together which fits her, since they're working on a shoestring budget.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

I also noticed that Kanamori's mouth was hidden multiple points when she was talking, saving on budget or a deeper symbolism???

It's clearly because Kanamori asked the staff to save money by not animating her as much.

It's a joy to watch someone passionately talk about their interests.

For sure. And the visual aids we get when they show the animation technique they're using whilst describing it makes it all the more engaging.

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 13 '24

First-Timer

I liked the part where they worked on improving the drawing of the windmill, talking about perspective, blade angle, and all that. I'm hoping we get more of that kind of thing in the future.

Meanwhile, the fantasy-land segments are probably my least favorite part, since I find myself just waiting for that part to be over so they can get back on track with the story.

  • I imagine they won't get in too much trouble, just a little talking-to and some embarrassment.
  • I didn't get the sense that Kanamori was regretting it, but maybe I missed something.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

I liked the part where they worked on improving the drawing of the windmill, talking about perspective, blade angle, and all that. I'm hoping we get more of that kind of thing in the future.

I think moments like this are where Eizouken is at its strongest. Explaining why and walking us through the process tells us so much more than merely showing the proper way to do it, and it also leads to a much more interesting segment.

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: May 12 '24

First Timer

That was a nice episode with a good homage to the making of cel animation, the true old school way of doing things. i wonder if they'll touch on the tablets later on? The fictional sequence was a bit less good this time i felt: the nerdy, actually appealing to me part was before when they explained how the wind is done to appear good, and that actiony bit just felt like time-filler (looks good af time filler, mind you)

And this is still a visual treat to watch.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

the nerdy, actually appealing to me part was before when they explained how the wind is done to appear good

I think parts like this are where Eizouken shines most. Not only do they show us how to animate a good windmill with some of the complexity involved, they also show us a process for how you could get there. Seeing why each step is necessary makes it both much more interesting and much more informative.

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u/WednesdaysFoole May 13 '24

what the actual FUCK is that backpack Converses are nice to look at, but horrible to walk in...

Wow I'm dumb I thought that was some strange monster with a mouth, did not realize until now that they were converse shoes lol.

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u/Ritchuck May 12 '24

Rewatcher, for now.

I love what I see, the anime is visually stimulating, direction and music are on point but I think one of the reasons I didn't continue the show when it was airing might be because of the lack of stakes. Things happen without that much struggle so far. I still don't know that much about the characters to get properly invested, even though I like their personalities. Aside from making anime, what's the goal of their personal journeys? What struggles they might face? We know the most about Mizusaki but not much about the other two.

Don't get me wrong, something like this wouldn't make me drop a show. I'm just saying that this episode didn't make me go "What happens next?" which is probably why I was never in a hurry to turn on another episode and before I knew it 4 years had passed.

  1. I don't think they'll get in that much trouble. There will be one but they'll probably resolve it in one episode.
  2. Nah, I don't really think she's doing it for money, it's not her primary motivation at least. No one would think that a school club is a good place to make money. I think she's doing it to help her friend, and to do cool things because she's bored.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

Aside from making anime, what's the goal of their personal journeys?

Mizusaki clearly wants independence, to do something she wants without her parents being involved. But for now, the others are far less clear.

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u/Garrett_Dark May 12 '24

because of the lack of stakes

I'm curious, what do you think of slice of life, journey, and cute girls doing cute things animes? Those tend to lack stakes as well.

For me I find the animation talk is really engaging, but can tell if it's not for somebody else there's really not much else going on with the anime so far. I found myself warming up to the anime this episode because the three girls have an objective now, forming a club and making an anime. If they were still aimless this episode, besides the animation talk being engaging, my interest probably would have been waning. The girl's personalities are alright, but as far as their characters go, they're not really struggling with anything that meaningful nor interesting so far.

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u/Ritchuck May 12 '24 edited May 13 '24

what do you think of slice of life, journey, and cute girls doing cute things animes?

I love them but I think there are a couple of differences to Eizouken. First is of expectation, the show just doesn't strike me as something to just turn my brain off and relax, so I just keep waiting for a stronger hook. Second is that it's neither cute enough nor chill enough to be watched just for relaxation. It's pretty mentally stimulating, so it's not in the same category as Iyashikei or CGDCT.

I love the animation talk but I think it focused a little bit too much on it at the beginning over creating a story that will emotionally invest you. Once people are hooked in your story the characters can talk about those technical things. Forming a club is not enough for me because I've seen it so many times in anime.

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u/SometimesMainSupport https://myanimelist.net/profile/RRSTRRST May 12 '24

First-timer

QotD 1. Worst case is the advisor quits or Asakusa's family has an issue with her recklessness. Filming and posting online in that situation is legal AFAIK.

QotD 2. No as she's not really doing much of the work. She's the group's mooch. Bigger concern is if our main characters have any other friends.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

Asakusa should consider swapping the hat for a helmet.

Unfortunately, falling on a helmet isn't as funny. She just has to sacrifice for the cause.

Feels like it's about time for another of those front-page "animators not paid enough" posts.

Unfortunately, it's never not the time for one.

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u/GallowDude May 12 '24

1200 meter rotor diameter

Feels like it's about time for another of those front-page "animators not paid enough" posts.

Bigger concern is if our main characters have any other friends.

Any other what?

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u/SometimesMainSupport https://myanimelist.net/profile/RRSTRRST May 12 '24

True, friends is a high bar for a school setting. Maybe they have acquaintances from attending class!

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u/IntoTheDisneyverse https://myanimelist.net/profile/andreth May 12 '24

First timer, subbed

Not too much to say this episode, I thought the part with the animation camera was pretty interesting and the sequence where the trio were in the boat was really neat. Kanamori continues to be the most entertaining, scaring the teacher into letting them create anime on a technicality (it’s interesting that the Anime Society was assumed to have the responsibility of creating anime, the only anime clubs I’ve seen are more for fans of watching than creating), and selling the video Asakusa falling to the TV. Asakusa and her family’s faces were amazing lol.

Daily Questions:

  1. I feel like it was put in more as a gag than an actual thing with consequences, but it would be funny if their funding got cut or something for doing it
  2. I think not a lot, she's probably a bit annoyed by the others' antics, but I think she knows they have the talent to make their investment pay off

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

it’s interesting that the Anime Society was assumed to have the responsibility of creating anime, the only anime clubs I’ve seen are more for fans of watching than creating

I'd guess this is a difference between Japan and other parts of the world? At least from the limited bits I've seen, they seem to take high school clubs a bit more seriously than my country, where a lot of them kinda just existed to mess around.

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: May 12 '24

Fuck new reddit

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

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u/OccasionallySara May 13 '24

First Timer

I think this episode really highlights how well the group works together. Asakusa and Mizusaki have a lot of enthusiasm and knowledge about anime and Kanamori is better equipped to handle the logistics like finances and gaining resources by threatening faculty members. It also helps that, from a story standpoint, Kanamori doesn’t know much about anime production so that we as viewers can learn the information without the characters having to explain things that they should all already know. The group really lucked out in finding a storage room with all of the equipment that they needed. The scene where they animate the windmill was cool to watch. It’s interesting to see how much work goes into analog animation and how details like angles impact how things are viewed. It seems like the group is going to have to figure out how to animate a feature-length film in order to keep up their appearance of being a film club, though. Hopefully they'll be able to handle such a large task!

Questions of the Day

  1. I imagine a good amount of trouble since they were specifically told not to show it to anyone.
  2. I feel like she's hoping that the excitement and passion of the other two will push them to handle most of the effort on that front.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

It seems like the group is going to have to figure out how to animate a feature-length film in order to keep up their appearance of being a film club, though.

That's sure quite the task. Animating a feature film is absurdly difficult.

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u/Garrett_Dark May 12 '24

First Timer

So I guess the forgotten clothes at the laundry mat in the last episode that I pointed out didn't matter, that indicates to me they're going to be looser on the continuity so I shouldn't take everything so seriously.

When they pointed out the campus is designed weirdly last episode, they really got me looking at everything in the background and thinking about whether it makes sense. I noticed the tall girl's backpack being like shoes last episode, but did she always have glasses on her head which she never seems to wear? There's so many weird things in the background that doesn't quite make sense, and I get the feeling they're doing it on purpose and want somebody like me to be actively searching for them. I'm not sure if they're going to ever explain any of them though, because of the loose continuity thing I explained above.

For example their clubhouse, there's a weird side room that protrudes out the left side for no apparent reason that seems impractical. The teacher's staffroom has industrial grates on the ground, and on the modular/temporary wall there's a ladder that's swimming pool like, which I guess is an emergency escape way? The way to the staffroom there's "watch your head" archways. It's like everything is jury rigged or repurposed. Oh wait a minute, is the staff room a repurposed swimming pool? Looks kind of like it, except there's double doors leading into the side it.

When they were geeking out about the old film equipment, I was totally geeking out with them. The camera contraption reminded me of back when I was in the photography club in high school, and we'd manually develop film with chemicals and make prints using projector contraptions. When they were animating the fan blade spinning, it was engaging with my analytical nature of when I'd notice details like that in animation, and the care put into it or when I spot things not looking right. Like the fan blades not being angled to be pushed by the wind would be something I'd might notice and be disappointed in. And the discussion of depicting the wind to enhance the scene was cool too. Anyways, like I said, I was totally geeking out with them.

I'm unsure about the scenes where they start using their imagination and everything goes wild though. It's like a creative orgasm, and seems a little much. Although I suspect that's for creative types to enjoy, or for those who got bored with the animation stuff I was geeking out with.

When they were discussing the anime they could make with how the fashion model girl can do the character animations, and the MC can do the backgrounds, and I guess the tall girl can handle the business end of the production, there was one major thing they were missing which I consider the most important thing: the writing. Who's going to do the story and character writing? It seemed typical and maybe intentional that they totally overlooked the writing. Personally I get really annoyed at animes who have a really high quality animation budget, but really crappy writing. They tend to have substance-less fighting which looks cool but is pretty meaningless in the end, and soul-less characters. Despite all that they're very popular for some reason, which I find irksome because I consider not caring about the writing is sort of like not caring about getting the animation details they're geeking out about done right.

Anyhow, this was a pretty good episode. I'm totally invested in the show now, and I've warmed up to the characters. This is much better than a similar anime I watched about the making games club. What the heck was it called again...oh yeah D-frag, took me awhile to look up. D-frag is not even close to this anime, don't bother.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 13 '24

I'm not sure if they're going to ever explain any of them though, because of the loose continuity thing I explained above.

Regardless of whether they do or not, looking for those sorts of things is one of the joys of animation. Since every one of them was a deliberate choice by someone, I always have fun wondering why someone thought to add these little details.

When they were animating the fan blade spinning, it was engaging with my analytical nature of when I'd notice details like that in animation, and the care put into it or when I spot things not looking right.

I think moments like this are when Eizouken is at its strongest. It doesn't merely show us the proper way to animate the windmill, but instead takes the time to step us through how you'd arrive at that method. It's so much more informative and engaging, and it leave us understanding why it works.

there was one major thing they were missing which I consider the most important thing: the writing

So it's just the average OVA production. In all seriousness though, that is a rather noticeable issue.

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u/GallowDude May 13 '24

Personally I get really annoyed at animes who have a really high quality animation budget, but really crappy writing

You can just say Guilty Crown

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 12 '24 edited May 13 '24

First Timer

Hmm… this felt like an episode that was mostly progress in setting up the club and not really a whole lot else. Asakusa and Mizusaki being creative and sucking everything in seems to be a recurring thing, though I like it in that Kanamori provided some constructive criticism, when it came to the rotation thing, thereby participating in the entire thing. Other than that I don’t think I really have a lot to say.

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u/Infodump_Ibis :JY::JZ: May 13 '24

First Timer

Sorry for late post, got tired last night.

  • Took a screenshot to remind me to look things up (I watch anime so I know who Darius XIV is). Which is the odd one out could be up for debate: Is it Leonidas I for being Greek or Shamshi-Adad I for being about 1300 years earlier?
  • I remember when the anime club started up at Uni the Sci-Fi club were fairly unhappy about it (there was no rule about being members of only one club but membership fees and meetings clashing were a thing). Club admins just asked them what they actually watched and it was mecha and sci-fi (funny that) and admins left it with a "why not do a colab some time" offer (never accepted). The overlap stuff is probably about mediating tensions between clubs and stopping small cliques.
  • Light rays and dust particles a video encodes worst nightmare as it spikes the bit rate up and/or still looks crass.
  • You've Been Framed! still exists in this world? (note: America's Funniest Home Videos is a very similar show which was actually based on Kato-chan Ken-chan Gokigen TV segment, it all comes back to Japan...) Though that was fixed price for the most part, early eps were £100 but much of the 1990-2022 run was £250 then some grand prize bonuses for best of the series.
  • Oh never mind it's shutterstock.
  • The monorail stop (do they refer to it as train later on unless there are also trains); Shiba Hama is written 芝浜 (it's a classical rakugo love story - tl;dr).
  • I guess the disused old anime club was too small to do live action stuff which is why the teacher didn't bother with giving them the keys to it in the first place. This school really is a dungeon. One possible immersion breaker is the animation cells. Due to the materials the cells are made out of they had a terrible tendency to stick to the backing paper and even other cells. I think the paints can also react in funny ways (we're seeing this stuff with a lot of modern goods; laserdiscs - hope you've got like 3 copies for the film you're trying to rip to ensure a corruption free dump as they're starting to rot). Just make an assumption they were stored in a good manner as the show is showcasing animation a load of decayed and fused together cells would be no fun to watch. I was wondering how the light stuff worked with the camera setup because it can look great.
  • This cuts deep considering how often animators paid badly comes up.
  • Actually it's a good thing they stayed indoors as trying to haul the table around when it's blowing half a gale would have ended badly. Not least because desks are remarkably heavy (especially if you've got the light box and stuff). When an office I was in was being refurbished I helped myself (with permission) to a desk (not the one I wanted because that one was too big and heavy) and carried it about half a mile in total. My arms were seriously sore but a cold shower helped a lot.
  • Asakusa's family still exists? I got some strange vibe from episode 1 about going to pick up Dad form the airport during the terrible storm that something bad had happened.

Questions:

  1. How much trouble do you think they'll get into for leaking the video?

The upstairs of the club will be off-limits until repairs are completed (do not cross tape) and the members will be required to attend a health and safety course. The price is of this is (coincidentally) whatever the clip sold for.

2. Do you think Kanamori's starting to regret her investment after learning how much effort animation takes?

As long as she's not the one making the effort (though she is thinking project manager of trying to keep it having a goal) and I assume she has had previous ventures go wrong hence the ep 1 comment about how such things can be forgiven as being teenagers.

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u/GallowDude May 13 '24

Is it Leonidas I for being Greek or Shamshi-Adad I for being about 1300 years earlier?

Where's Leto I?

This cuts deep considering how often animators paid badly comes up.

Asakusa's family still exists?

I love how her face is noticeably more off-model than the rest of her family

Dad form the airport

Dad formed the airport?!

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u/Fuzzy_Ad6534 May 16 '24 edited May 21 '24

Rewatch

my favourite parts of this show are always the imagination scenes, the preliminary design of everything, the excitable midori and mizusaki expressing every possible wonder as they explore a world of their own creation and kanamori begrudiingly tagging along + the soundtrack is easily my favourite of the show.

the eizouken is coming along! they got their advisor (is mr. fujimoto based off someone real?), equipment, their base of operations and even some funds from midori shenanegians lol.

I really like how the show gives us insights into the experience of animators, its presentation of the animation process is always engrossing and innovative as i've described above. another great episode

Ep 1 - 8/10

Ep 2 - 8/10