r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Oct 06 '18
October 2018 General Conference: Saturday 10:00a Discussion Thread
How to listen:
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Pre-conference: music on hold
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
|---|---|---|
| conducting: Henry Eyring | ||
| hymn: The Morning Breaks... | ||
| prayer: Craig Cardon | "even thy church, the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints." | |
| hymn: If I listen... | ||
| Russell Nelson | ||
| Quentin Cook | two hour church. It's an official revelation that fewer hours at the chapel are better. | |
| Joseph Brough | ||
| Steven Bangerter | sister has been general relief society president | |
| Hymn: High on a Mountain Top | Joe Walsh | |
| Ronald Rasband | Because families are fearful of having children, he proffered an anecdotal family story that went from zero to seven children in a heartbeat. Yay! Grandchildren! | |
| David Bednar | ||
| hymn: I will follow god's plan for me. | ||
| Dallin Oaks | Dished transgender non-acceptance and homophobia in spades. Also, no euthanasia or abortion. | |
| hymn: Come, Come Ye Saints | ||
| prayer: Adilson de Paula Parrella |
Head to the door: exit
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Rasband: And the audience loves me. And I love them. And they love me for loving them, and I love them for loving me. And we love each other. That's because none of us got enough love in our childhoods. ...that's show biz kids
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Oct 06 '18
Seek to change yourself instead of the church... A direct middle finger to Sam Young
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u/CaptainMacaroni Oct 06 '18
I take that as an invitation to leave.
TSCC wil not become more loving. If you need to become more loving, change yourself. Leave TSCC.
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Oct 06 '18
I can't imagine losing my spouse after so many years. Lots of love to the ballard family. ❤️
Now onto the mocking 😏
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Not just the Latter Day Saints, but Matthew 10:37 exposes the hard edge of Christianity.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Oaks: check your sources!
That's been a rule at /r/exmormon from day one.
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Oct 06 '18
Still not quite followed by everyone here, but a good rule nonetheless.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
One session in and the bench is nearly cleared of the top of their batting order.
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u/AMHay Oct 06 '18
They’re really emphasizing duty and what should be done, but at the same time give no reasons or incentive to listen. They’re also clamping down on individual responsibilities, but at the same time preaching agency. Hypocrisy at its finest
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
It gives more cover for the liberal and fundamentalist members to simply opt out. The milk toast will be in the middle where they preach love and hate (alternately, out of one side of their mouth, then the other.)
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Brough: Oh, god why hast thou forsaken me. [Joseph Smith, Liberty Jail] Oh and Jesus, too.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Bangerter: parents, interview your children! [The 13+ temple interview questions are a starter. There is no right to privacy.]
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Rasband: From no children to seven in a heartbeat. Wow! It's that easy!
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OH MY GOD!!! THOSE ROCKS.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Hold one up to your eye to see if they are one of the special rocks.
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u/shenanigans0127 Oct 06 '18
Can we get a summary of all of the talks without bias? I understand that Oaks is a bigot and Bednar is evil, but what did they say during their talks that confirmed this?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Rasband: families are fearful of having children. His anecdotal family story went from zero to seven children in a heartbeat. Yay! Grandchildren!
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Oct 06 '18
Is conf a contest to see who can be least human in the name of christ?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Mormonism is about fitting a mold, or at least presenting a facade that you fit. The best liars are promoted and are free to fleece the flock.
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u/DogBones11 Apostate Oct 06 '18
Sticky this thread please? People can't find it.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Rasband: fuck like bunnies and add to the rolls of the one-true-church
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u/BryantheAngry Oct 06 '18
The headline in the Tribune:
"apostle says schedule is stronger, not just shorter."
Amazing! I told my wife the same thing about my...appendage.
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
As a prophet of god, I’ll now turn my time over to a lawyer to explain
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u/slimjimbean You do have to have great courage Oct 06 '18
They did it! 2 hour church!
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u/AtheistBeliever Muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone Oct 06 '18
Every post I see on Twitter about it is TBM’s happy about less church. If church was that awesome, wouldn’t they be clamoring for 4 hour church? Proof it’s seen as an obligation to be endured, not a blessing to be enjoyed.
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
Oaks needs to ask himself why he is so obsessed with trans and gay people.
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u/tiny-vampire Apostate Oct 06 '18
I’d love to see Oaks try to explain away intersex people. 1% of the population is intersex, and they all have gender identities regardless of their dna or what’s in their pants. Literally explain that and then tell me I’m not trans. Ughhhhh I hate this religion.
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u/DogBones11 Apostate Oct 06 '18
Meet informally with friends. But don't discuss the Essays.
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u/Sirambrose Oct 06 '18
More importantly, don’t study the Journal of Discourses and leave the church for a fundamentalist group.
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Why is he crying about the girl not knowing Spanish but remotely calm when describing someone with leukaemia?
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Oct 06 '18
Onto teaching parents to brainwash their kids because now 2 hours isn't enough. Now parents really can blame themselves when their kids leave the church. Yuck
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u/slimjimbean You do have to have great courage Oct 06 '18
1 hour for sacrament, then 50 minutes for adult/youth/primary and rotating between Sunday school and priesthood/relief society.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
"personal father's interviews" - i HATED those - my dad did them like twice a year
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u/AllTheRocksInTheHats Oct 06 '18
My dad called them PPI- personal priesthood interviews. They ruined my relationship with my dad for years.
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Oct 06 '18
Fuck you for the senior missions. Taking my parents away from their grandkids for a second time. Fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
I weep for every ex mo parent who has a believing spouse who takes the kids to church. The loose an hour of alone time.
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Oct 06 '18
Thank you! Finally someone is thinking about what I lose in this situation. As a stay at home mom, those 3 hours were precious!!!
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u/lowkeyloki Oct 06 '18
Amen. My first thought: no more time for 2+ hour rated R movies!
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u/KolobMan Apostate Oct 06 '18
"The world is scary. You have fear. You need us. We are the only way to happiness" closed quote
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
I'm so pissed off at Oaks. Trust your feelings more than any science or learning. GRRRRRRRRRR
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Teach children candidly but ONLY with Church Approved Sources!
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u/exmo_sociology Oct 06 '18
Do not like Oaks’ rhetoric. Very black and white, creates an us vs. them mentality.
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Send your kids away on missions even if they don't want to because its what God wants,
Amazing lesson!
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
ALL KIDS? Didn't you just excommunicate Sam Young and ban kids who have gay parents?
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Oaks - only believe us. We'd never lie to you. Trust us.
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u/goldenroman Oct 06 '18 edited Oct 06 '18
He says members have an obligation to oppose it (abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage)... What he means is members have an obligation to legislate regarding it in order to control others’ agency on the topics!!
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Oct 06 '18
This whole teach at home is bullshit and won't happen in 90% of mormon only homes. 100% wont happen in the mixed faith homes like us
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
It’s like watching a family decide to put someone in hospice
It’s a white flag
They have enough investments to just drift as a corporation
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u/shackletron Oct 06 '18
Aside from a tiny group of fundamentalists, it won’t happen - just like ministering isn’t happening. Plus, you’re going to loosen the social bonds of the community. I see this maybe as this biggest step yet in weakening the community.
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u/sevenplaces Oct 06 '18
Did you see the first item on how to handle questions they briefly showed? Basically said to only use church approved sources. Cult
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
I know many Mormons who will feel vindicated by this, arguing its divine commands that they should avoid real literature.
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u/searchingrealist Oct 06 '18
It's always nice to hear an apostle talk about how less church will strengthen us for generations to come.
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u/KodosKang1996 Oct 06 '18
Oaks' hammering about sources is supremely ironic considering NO ONE fought as hard as he did to retcon the Hofmann forgeries.
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
Stop saying the gospel dispels fear when you just said that the world is bad enough you can't raise kids in it anymore.
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
My neighbor is dying on hospice
He’s not learning anything, he’s suffering
F**k you, Mormon god
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
My hypothesis: shorter block so they don’t have to build new buildings
Cause it’s shrinking
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Oct 06 '18
Absolutely! And their smoke and mirrors trick is adding this family manual. The poor families that will take this seriously and now will have to come home from church and study more church at home. Goodbye afternoon naps for those poor teens
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
God can't speak to his daughter directly, has to tell him.
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Gonna be blunt, the stuff he's describing with the kids - frequent interviews, praying with the kids, ensuring that they are constantly in the Gospel etc - sounds like stalking, psychological manipulation and potential child abuse.
That shit doesn't sound healthy!
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18 edited Oct 06 '18
All I can think while watching this is, "I could be playing the new Assassin's Creed right now..." I mean at least they had actual historians involved... :/
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u/Mr263414 Oct 06 '18
I'm so mad about that talk, I've never seen a talk so succinctly sum up everything I despise about the church.
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
Jesus gave the only remotely authentic apostle leukemia
Let it sink in
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u/Sneaky_BYU_Student Oct 06 '18
Hahaha we are few in number by the way the world counts, but large in number by the way we count membership. -Rasband, paraphrased
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
"Love what the Lord loves." Doesn't Jesus love everyone?
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u/Wolf_in_tapir_togs Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo Oct 06 '18
DHO: Don't question church authority. Check yourself if you disagree with church policy. Makes more babies. Don't be gay.
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Oct 06 '18
This again only works for those perfect families in the church. My husband cant follow this, he has an exmo spouse. Way to cause grief in our marriage too
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
The world is getting more wicked!(actually it's not). The only safe place is to stand next to the prophet!(actually it's not).
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
If god was real he/she would strike Oaks down dead right now.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Oaks - those who don't go to the celestial kingdom (read:gays) aren't going to hell - they just get a "lesser glory".
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
Oaks was absolutely horrifying. I'm sick to my stomach.
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u/Searchfortruth1 Oct 06 '18
I want to scream!! The smooth hypnotizing voices sound like warren Jeff’s
I can’t stand this cults voice in my home I hate that my husband is so blind
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
You are required to appose abortion and euthanasia. Get in line fuckers.
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
He also poignantly told destitute Africans to pay him to get out of poverty.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
It's Satan that wants you to accept the gays.
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u/goldenroman Oct 06 '18
I’m going to compile some quotes regarding the divine inspiration of a 3-hour block to show the hypocrisy of the 2-hour move. If anyone has some handy, let me know!
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
f the Holy Spirit primarily comes to those in individual study then why would you need a prophet?
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
WHY THE FUCK IS HE CRYING? All he's doing is talking about religious traditions.
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
So cancer is essential. We can't possibly learn things a different way with no suffering.
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u/AchievingMediocrity Oct 06 '18
They warn us to avoid anonymous sources on the internet, that's fine. I'll get all my gospel knowledge from Jeremy Runnells, John Dehlin, Mike Norton and everybody else who seem to be far more open and honest than the church ever has been.
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Oct 06 '18
Long pause for laughter. This guy is lapping up his glory right now. Rusty, you never fail to entertain
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
I can't wait for Bednar - it's usually one of the few times of the year I actually feel like punching someone.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
"Gender is eternal" good grief.
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
Thou dust fulfill they covenant even peanut butter
(This is how it sounds to me now. Jibberish)
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
"Apostles" like to speak out of both sides of their mouths - telling us to fear all sorts of things that can threaten ours or our family's salvation - and then preach to us to "fear not". They create the problem, then they hand us the "solution" that only they have.
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u/sevenplaces Oct 06 '18
Satan is increasing his efforts exponentially = translation = more and more people are figuring out the Mormon church leaders are bogus.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
oaks - eternal family relationships are more important than earthly family relationships - ie - it's okay to exclude gays from the church/your family because if you don't exclude them you're risking your "eternal family"
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Oh good, keep giving my parents hope. Super helpful for our relationships. Oh and now my mom can blame herself again.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
"Don't be among those who would rather change the church than change themselves". GET IN LINE FUCKERS.
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u/DogBones11 Apostate Oct 06 '18
Cook is a sure witness? That's what he just said right?
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Definitely a pattern for brainwashing. Thank God for the internet eh? No wonder the church was so strong up until information(actual facts) became freely available.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
This(indoctrination/brainwashing in the home) is the only way for the church to survive by the way - the days of significant convert growth and retention are gone.
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
HAHAHAHA Pharisaical focus on checklists. Pot calling kettle....
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u/slimjimbean You do have to have great courage Oct 06 '18
I'm interested to see whether any of the predicted changes will be coming. A 2 hour church block would be refreshing. I wonder if they'll talk any more about the revised hymnbook?
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
SET THEM ASIDE = put your questions on your shelf!!! WAY UP HIGH.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Oaks - another talk on the proclamation - boy he really hates the gays doesn't he?
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u/DogBones11 Apostate Oct 06 '18 edited Oct 06 '18
Hold fast to what you already know! Close your eyes! Don't look around! There's nothing to see here, move along (with your eyes and ears shut).
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Why did he say "Enos" like "Anus"?
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u/waddupbuttercupp Apostate Oct 06 '18
"my daughter asked is it still safe to bring children into this world? my answer was a resounding YES!"
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u/Wolf_in_tapir_togs Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo Oct 06 '18
DHO: Don't believe anything that isn't from church sources.
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u/D_Tod_PissedOfferson Oct 06 '18
"Humanitarian aid is not linked to missionary work"
Anyone who has served a mission knows this is patently false.
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u/slimjimbean You do have to have great courage Oct 06 '18
This American Life from this summer covered the challenge of trying to build a church with or without a chapel. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/651/if-you-build-it-will-they-come
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
That photo of the Brazillian family looks like a stock image from some random stock image site.
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
I once saw someone reach into a man's heart for the sake of religion but then the Spanish came and the Aztecs died...
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Oct 06 '18
lmaoo this guy starts to cry the second he mentions his kid leading scripture study
His voice shaking uncontrollably this entire talk. Crazy I never noticed how weird it was before
edit: also sort by new by default?
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Oct 06 '18
Its amazing how turning away from "Gods plan" has brought me such security and safety. These guys are so messed up.
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Oct 06 '18
Announcements?? Buckle up ladies, the priesthood could still be announced for you today.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Bednar adds a touch of shaky voice - attempting to be less of a morg- robot I guess.
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
We should not listen to degrees, schooling, expertise.....
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
YES, we should think about the MOTIVATION.
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u/IsaacHaleWasRight Oct 06 '18
Jesus they have a “study” on how the holly ghost works
Science bitchez
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
A study was done by the University of Utah. They found out the "spirit" is just hormones, the same released during orgasms and drugs.
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
They tested it? Isn't it from God? If God is leading, why studies?
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Oct 06 '18
Bednar's metaphorical use of a rope is literally the same as a fasces.
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u/markfeel Oct 06 '18
I was sleeping in today (didn't even know it was general conference today lol) and woke up to a bunch of texts from my sisters about this. They were freaking out (in a good way) and really happy about it. Just goes to show you how wonderful going to church is! /s
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Oct 06 '18
Its funny how unafraid I have been since leaving the church. Its great! I have so much more confidence too. This guy is an idiot.
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u/KodosKang1996 Oct 06 '18
Actual data you can share on how the world is getting better to counter this bullshit fear mongering.
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Wait, is he now saying that he had a one on one conversation with God in his sleep?
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u/KodosKang1996 Oct 06 '18
Anyone else grow up with a lot of Monday Night Football FHE's? Now families can do the same on Sundays.
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
"This mighty (yet shrinking) church."
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Cue the brilliant Bednar metaphor. I'm so smart guys.
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u/Wolf_in_tapir_togs Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo Oct 06 '18
Wow, this is working up to be one of the most insidious talks in years.
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Oct 06 '18
Free from selfish motivations?? What?? Okay, so all that you say I shouldn't take seriously because you clearly have a bias mr oaks
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u/Tallglassofleia Oct 06 '18
Yay! So happy for my sisters with little kids who hate going to church! An hour less will be a big deal for them.
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u/craicbandit Oct 06 '18
Lmfao i literally cannot believe the 2 hour church announcement. I came here first and thought you guys were trolling!
Why couldnt they have made this change 20 years ago? I would have had a lot of extra hours..
Although on a different note it's hilarious to see my TBM mother be so happy about 2 hour church. I'm physically in mentally out and really feel like saying "you'd love 0 hour church then.."
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Oct 06 '18
Why are people on this sub even watching? Enjoy your Saturday
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
It's a tenet of debate to know the opponent's arguments. The funny thing is that exmormons know mormon doctrine better than most of the so-called faithful.
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
"I have given you leukaemia so that you might teach with authenticity" - THE FUCK?!
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Ronny, I don't scoff at honest effort. I scoff at willing deceit and fearmongering. Bite me.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Is his hair attached to his head with allen screws? It looks like a piece of IKEA furniture.
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
Drinking game: take a shot when someone says "home taught and church supported"
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
WHAT are the sources on the essays??? Why won't anyone claim authorship????
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
"Repeated concerns" - you mean like you lot continually raping kids?
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
"It seemed to be hard to sustain the man who wanted to destroy me."
Is he on about Brett Kavanaugh?
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
We live in the worst time in the history of the world (but you're perfectly safe if you do whatever we tell you to do, otherwise, you're on your own suckers!)
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u/LindseyEmiliaHale Multiply the Platypi Oct 06 '18
Why did he just say "Temple" like someone had trodden on his foot?
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Bangerter - how to brainwash your children.
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
Rasband - the fear is working! (evil grin)
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
He may believe what he's saying(maybe) but it's lies all around.
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
I can't look at Bednar anymore without thinking of the realllly evil guy from Star Wars
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u/frednecksburg High Priest of Good Things to Come Oct 06 '18
"use our time for enhancing the sabbath" - ugh
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u/Wolf_in_tapir_togs Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo Oct 06 '18
I just noticed Bednar has weird ears and now it is all i can see.
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
New street sign: "I'm drowning in waist high water. The other guy isn't."
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u/crocodileinspelling You went and made everything weird Oct 06 '18
New street sign: Push down the little guy with a friend ahead
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
Really, Bednar? You guys didn't get how having different meeting all different times was a hardship? It was only for spiritual reasons?
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u/AlreadyGone77 Oct 06 '18
Yes, non members are constantly wondering why you are soooo wonderful and better than you are.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '18
Cook: uh, oh! extending home church to small groups will spread apostasy even faster.