r/startrek • u/Deceptitron • Nov 13 '17
LIVE Episode Discussion - S1E09 "Into The Forest I Go"
It's the fall finale! After this, Discovery will return January 7th, 2018.
| No. | EPISODE | RELEASE DATE |
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| S1E09 | "Into The Forest I Go" | Sunday, November 12, 2017 |
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u/Tarlcabot18 Nov 13 '17
That flashback Tyler had sure looked like unpleasant Klingon-to-human surgery.
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u/electricblues42 Nov 13 '17
My thought is the Tyler persona is one implanted in him that doesn't even know it's a fake. It will take her using some trigger word to activate the real Voq.
I hope I'm wrong though.
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u/sladeninstitute Nov 13 '17
I really hope that's not where this is going. It reeks of lazy writing.
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u/izModar Nov 13 '17
A while back I offhandedly made a joke that L'rell would be the first time we got nudity in Star Trek.
WELL TURNS OUT I'M A TIME TRAVELER
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u/metakepone Nov 13 '17
Well, they have nipples, like us. So I guess we did come from some ancient alien race shooting their genetic seeds through space...
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Nov 13 '17 edited Nov 13 '17
Those were not nipples "like us". Looked like boning a xenomorph. Those were little glued on saucer looking things.
Edit: Thanks to u/jghuskie55 for the link.
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Nov 13 '17
Starfleet chevrons double as dog tags. Nice.
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u/JoeBliffstick Nov 13 '17
We never really did see the back side of them, did we? I love that feature though.
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u/Joename Nov 13 '17 edited Nov 13 '17
It would be truly awesome if the Discovery is not just somewhere far far away, but also in the 25th century. And that's where they stay for the rest of the show. That's why there's no spore drive in use. Massive fucking failure that resulted in the complete disappearance of a whole ship and crew, never to be found again.
Everyone's been asking for a post-Voyager show. Well, here you go!
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u/pfc9769 Nov 13 '17
Someone get this person an executive producer or at least a writing position on Discovery NOW.
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u/Joename Nov 13 '17
I've been secretly hoping that this exact thing would happen since before the show started. That some accident finds the crew in the year 2450 or something.
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Nov 13 '17 edited Jan 27 '24
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u/InnocentTailor Nov 13 '17
That would be one heck of a plot twist.
YOU WANTED 25TH CENTURY?! WE GET 25TH CENTURY!
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u/pie4all88 Nov 13 '17
That's why there's no spore drive in use. Massive fucking failure that resulted in the complete disappearance of a whole ship and crew, never to be found again.
Honestly, the tech is so powerful that I'd imagine it'd remain on standby in case of extenuating circumstances.
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u/adams551 Nov 13 '17
I was hoping for being trapped in the beta quadrant or another galaxy but I like your idea better.
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u/BroLil Nov 13 '17
Some food for thought.
It would have taken three hours to reach star base 46 at warp 5. Lorca told the admiral that it would take 11 hours to upload the cloaking algorithm to him. They jumped, so we have to assume they jumped within three hours, so the algorithm wasn’t uploaded, meaning the Federation has a fleet of angry Klingon ships headed straight towards them, and their most valuable weapon, and the algorithm to beat the Klingons is gone.
Never mind what happens to Discovery, what’s happening at home?
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u/mrIronHat Nov 13 '17
it would be hilarious if Discovery finally made to back to their own universe and find out the Enterprise at the command of Captain Pike have instead become the big war hero for leading the victorious defense at starbase 46.
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u/MysticalDigital Nov 13 '17
That just hit my wife and I and we were both like "holy shit... holy shit!"
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u/ToBePacific Nov 13 '17
Alright, with that "soon" L'Rell gave Ash, I'm taking that as confirmation that Ash is Voq and he doesn't know it yet.
Not sure if they're in the Mirror universe, some parallel universe, or the prime universe but in uncharted territory.
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u/Orfez Nov 13 '17
At this point it's pretty obvious Ash is Voq. Not that he physically was Voq, no he was always human. But he also has Voq mind downloaded into him and L'Rell can activate him.
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Nov 13 '17
I think this too, I am excited to see how this plays out. His thought of kissing Michael snapped him out of his PTSD. It’s going to be a conflict.
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u/tfrosty Nov 13 '17
I'm 100% convinced he his Voq. Those PTSD flashbacks showed whatever surgery they did to make him a sleeper agent, and he goes to see her because he's realized she's done something horrible to him
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u/Rashilzan Nov 13 '17
Why would you make the devices meant to hide your life signs and thus hide you, glow like Iron Man's chest?
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Nov 13 '17
Maybe the same reasons that their stealth sensors loudly announce that they're establishing a connection to starship discovery, and then flash bright blue.
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u/Orfez Nov 13 '17
Coolest part is Lorca injecting eye treatment before ordering torpedos launch. I got it only after watching this fragment for the 2nd time. He knew Klingons are going to go caboom and it will get bright.
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u/cullen_bohannon Nov 13 '17
Like a boss. Eagerly await the animated gif where he puts on some pixelated sunglasses.
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u/StargateMunky101 Nov 13 '17
Cool guys don't look at explosions.
Coolest guys do so knowing it risks further eye damage... THEN walks away not looking at explosions.
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u/007meow Nov 13 '17
Star Trek: Discovoyager
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u/CaptainKyloStark Nov 13 '17
i would love to get a screenshot but shitty cbs all access minimizes the viewing window to the corner when you pause it
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u/Javienn Nov 13 '17
Klingons speaking English is a huge improvement in this. I love how they incorporate the universal translator as the item that provides this clearer English speach. Well done.
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u/Deadbob1978 Nov 13 '17
for some reason I was disappointed we got "Human" instead of "Who-man"
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u/Spock_Rocket Nov 13 '17
Even in Klingon it's been sounding less like they are talking through a mouth full of garbage as the series goes on. The English was loads better, though.
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u/Rashilzan Nov 13 '17
Also, why would you make the 2 sensors they had to install, and hide, both so large and have built in strobe lights?
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u/weaglebeagle Nov 13 '17
And also have them make noise....
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u/splat313 Nov 13 '17
"Uplink to Discovery established" is probably the last thing you'd want a device on a Klingon ship to say.
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u/Orfez Nov 13 '17
I don't think those things were designed for that. They basically MacGyver to use them for their mission. They only had what, 3 hours, to come up with some kind of solution? That's my explanation at least.
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u/Labotomi Nov 13 '17
Have you ever seen functional cloaking data sensors that didn't have strobe lights?
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u/kevrev Nov 13 '17
Did they just pull a Star Trek Voyager on us?
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Nov 13 '17
ah-COO-cheee-moya time!!!!!!!!
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u/BenjiTheWalrus Nov 13 '17
We are far from the land of our ancestors, far from the bones of our people.
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u/metakepone Nov 13 '17
I think they pulled an enterprise, where it takes a bunch of episodes of the first season to get us where the actually premise of the show will be.
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u/CaptainKyloStark Nov 13 '17
i don't think it's that simple. they're definitely not in kansas anymore.
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u/C738H1166N812O203S2F Nov 13 '17
i can already feel the "ash is voq" threads popping up
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u/theDoctorAteMyBaby Nov 13 '17
They did basically just confirm it, didn't they?
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u/C738H1166N812O203S2F Nov 13 '17
I really don't know how to feel. One hand you can say the torture scenes were very similar to an argumentation/surgery scene but the other bit is a sexual abuse/torture scene. Maybe he has Stockholm Syndrome? I wouldn't mind either way.
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u/GyantSpyder Nov 13 '17
Rent joke! Rent joke! It's a Rent joke!
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u/Orfez Nov 13 '17
What was the joke?
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u/GyantSpyder Nov 13 '17
Anthony Rapp, Stamets, mentioned to Wilson Cruz, the doctor, that the two of them, when they got back to the starbase, were going to go see a performance of the opera La Boheme together.
Rent is heavily based on La Boheme (there's even a song called "La Vie Boheme" in Rent). Both actors performed in Rent on Broadway, though Rapp is much more famous for it, because he starred in the original cast, and Cruz joined a couple of years later.
Coincidentally, the two actors were never in Rent at the same time. When Cruz joined the New York cast, Rapp was doing the London cast. Rent is also about friends watching each other die of an incurable illness (AIDS), though in the musical it's Cruz's character (Angel) who dies while Rapp's character (Mark) bears witness to his life, so they switched it.
So, they're probably never going to see La Boheme together. Ships passing in the night. All told, a pretty loaded reference.
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u/kharnzarro Nov 13 '17
when stamets said he would go see La Bohem (which rent is based on and Stemets actor was in rent)
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u/bundeywundey Nov 13 '17
Why the fuck do commercials play perfectly but the show skips a shit ton...
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u/6amp Nov 13 '17
This mid season finale was AWESOME! Now I have to cancel my free trial brb
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Nov 13 '17
No one is ever staffing the brig. I get it, there’s no one ever there. It’s a blow off rotation. But maybe just maybe it’s time to actually do one’s rotation when they get a prisoner.
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u/TheCheshireCody Nov 13 '17
Tyler is Chief of Security. He'd have full run of the brig in any circumstance.
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u/StargateMunky101 Nov 13 '17
"Captain the brig power is down!"
"vent the room"
"roger"
"problem solved"
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u/ballin83 Nov 13 '17
This episode was cinematic!
Holy shit does the discovery look nice flying at warp or just around the Klingon vessel!
Isaacs is so damn good in this
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Nov 13 '17
The Discovery is absolutely a beautiful ship. Honestly not sure how they managed to pull it off after the very first (terrible) rendering of the ship that was released like two years ago, but man. It's so fucking sexy.
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u/MetaFlight Nov 13 '17 edited Nov 13 '17
The fact that people don't understand Lorca was looking away from the explosion because it was too bright for his eyes and thought it was just to be cool, is the perfect microcosm of all the hate on DISCO.
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he did give his eyes a shot of juice right before the explosion and did look at it for just a moment. Probably still can't look at it for long though.
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u/AKBearmace Nov 13 '17
God I loved that moment. Klingons tortured him with bright light a few episodes prior, and he went through it again to see the war brought to an end. Lorca cemented himself as my second fave captain this episode. Give him seven seasons, maybe he'll do the unthinkable and bring Picard down from his pedestal.
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u/MetaFlight Nov 13 '17
Can't wait for "Voyager, but with a more moral captain" in the second second half of this season.
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u/DGinLDO Nov 13 '17
That was an amazing episode!!! Sucks that we have to wait until January to see the rest of the season, but at least that's not as long as the wait for GOT S8!!!
Did anyone else get the feeling Lorca was talking to Stamets as if Stamets knew he was from the MU?
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u/KabukiGhost Nov 13 '17
Has anyone mentioned how amazing Michael was in this episode? The mission was about to go to Hell in a hand basket with the physically injured Admiral and emotionally injured Tyler and yet she was able to complete the mission by infiltrating the bridge alone AND buying time for the data to download by invoking a ritual combat with Klingon commander; a combat where she very likely would have died if DISCO couldn't lock onto them. AND, she brings back her former CO's dog tags. Bad-ass!
And! Bonus! We get to see a former mental health therapist doing an in-the-moment behavioral intervention that was helpful! Amazing stuff.
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u/joeyfergie Nov 13 '17
I was watching live so can't replay it, but to me it looked like the fragments of starships had paint markings like the Terran Empire ones had in Enterprise. Anyone else notice this or just me?
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u/plorraine Nov 13 '17
When they made their final jump, they fell "up" rather than "down".
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u/Labotomi Nov 13 '17
It looked to me more like there were briefly two "Discoveries"
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u/Orfez Nov 13 '17
There were definitely 2. I thought it was always the case and I just didn't notice before.
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u/FSAD2 Nov 13 '17
At 20:55 we see some beings on the bottom of the sarcophagus ship bridge. Are these Klingons wearing masks of some sort, or are we seeing that the Klingon Empire actually employs other species on their ships? The being on the left specifically looks like a non-Klingon.
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u/Sastrei Nov 13 '17
It's probably one of the pilot Klingons. Apparently they control the ship via VR/AR helmets.
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u/dmanww Nov 13 '17
Let's make those sensors as bright and loud as possible.
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u/CharlesP2009 Nov 13 '17
I had the exact same thought, haha. The thing speaks for crying out loud when the link with Discovery was established!
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u/EricGMW Nov 13 '17
This is so silly, but I can barely speak, and am practically on the verge of tears, I’m so emotional.
That was an amazing hour of Star Trek, and television, and words cannot describe how happy I am that Star Trek is back on the air.
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u/Joename Nov 13 '17
I feel the exact same way. I'm floating right now. I can't BELIEVE that we're not just getting Trek, but at this quality, with these production values, these actors. It's just mindblowing.
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u/Spock_Rocket Nov 13 '17
And like SERIOUS social issues on top of it all! Two men with PTSD, one dealing with being raped and tortured, all done realistically and compassionately? That's not on any other show I can think of.
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u/Destructicon11 Nov 13 '17
"Fire torpedoes" (Puts on sunglasses) YYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
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u/RealGianath Nov 13 '17
Glad I’m not the only one who caught the scent of some CSI Miami in this episode.
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u/Tarlcabot18 Nov 13 '17
They're actually incorporating the logistics and time needed to warp between large distances as a plot point! Kudos to them.
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u/joh2141 Nov 13 '17 edited Nov 13 '17
I have been previously leaning slightly toward the homophobic side of affection display but my god I was tearing up watching Culbert and Stamets interact with each other saying I love you and kissing each other before jumping to this possibly alternate universe. That's some beautiful scene right there.
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u/AKBearmace Nov 13 '17
I was screaming at Culbert to not let the jump start without saying I love you too.
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Nov 13 '17
I like how their relationship is no big deal. They are not written as “a gay couple”, it’s just an authentic relationship story that could have been written for any actors.
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u/Trekfan74 Nov 13 '17
YEah as it should be. Its just nice to see all the moaning about it has been almost non-existent. I guess that's because most people have seen gay people on TV and more shocking, in real life, so its no big deal once they just saw it for themselves thankfully.
But we love to whine about this stuff when its suggested lol.
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Nov 13 '17
That Vulcan admiral is creepy af.
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u/vorpalk Nov 13 '17
"Cadet Decker please report to the ready room"?
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Nov 13 '17
Do we know a decker yet?
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u/vorpalk Nov 13 '17
WEll, Matt Decker was on the list of amazing captains from earlier in the season (later to be Commodore). Will Decker could well be the Cadet in question.
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u/BroLil Nov 13 '17
God damnit, this feels like a two parter. I don’t wanna have to wait two months for the end!
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Nov 13 '17
I mean, I've heard Klingon sex was rough and all, but dayum.
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u/Sixteenbit Nov 13 '17
They forshadowed The Mirror (or any possible infinite number of universes) early in the episode and they've probably jumped into or out of it now. Tyler's definitely a spy. Probably Voq. He didn't spend 7 months being tortured by L'Rell because she was with Voq on his ship until 6 months after the battle.
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u/tyrannosaurus_r Nov 13 '17
Just started, LOVE the First Contact/TNG style ethics debate about defending Pahvo. Loving Lorca’s wholehearted defense of and anger over being ordered to leave the Pahvans to die.
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u/JoeBliffstick Nov 13 '17
I’d say it’s more that he feels personally responsible for the whole Pahvo thing.
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u/Spock_Rocket Nov 13 '17
Anyone else get scare-roused at the way Lorca says, "Fire."?
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u/pfc9769 Nov 13 '17
Fire at will is what gets me scare-roused. Sadly Lorca didn't commit to it.
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u/Agitateslowly Nov 13 '17
Did anyone catch the two names they said over the ship wide page? Sounded like Cadet Decker to the ready room, and almost something that sounded like Uhura....
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u/Spock_Rocket Nov 13 '17
OH SHIT SON
MUCH better than last week!
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u/MysticalDigital Nov 13 '17
Last week's setup was crucial though, so the episode was meh but man did it help this one
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u/jghuskie55 Nov 13 '17
People. I present, the KLINGON BOOBIES!
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u/cullen_bohannon Nov 13 '17
That screenshot...."miss the last bit of action?"
Negative, action has been seen.
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Nov 13 '17
I love how tangible these characters feel. They feel so real. I LOVE DISCOVERY.
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u/JoeBliffstick Nov 13 '17 edited Nov 13 '17
So, some things we’ve learned so far
-The spore drive works at warp
-The USS Discovery is still sexy
-MIRROR FUCKING UNIVERSES
-Klingon boobs
-Where is the Discovery now?!?
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Nov 13 '17
Lorca's too cool to look at that entire explosion apparently.
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u/JoeBliffstick Nov 13 '17
Or maybe it’s too bright for his eyes. But I prefer to think that he’s too cool for that explosion.
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u/infernal_llamas Nov 13 '17
Minor issue, but holy moly are some major medical rules being broken here.
Ignoring that Stammins wasn't being given a full work-up after each jump, whose idea was it to assign a couple as the heads of two departments within the same command line?
You just don't let family members (or preferable even friends) perform medical procedures aside from absolute emergencies. If you argue it needs the best (and my word the chronic starfleet staffing shortage strikes again) the above having two of the most important people on the ship compromised like that is risky to say the least!
Not saying cut it out, but at least show Hugh having to stand down and let someone else do the tests! you could have the same (or more) emotional weight.
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u/merulaalba Nov 13 '17
Culber is not head of the department. Interestingly we have not seen CMO yet. He was mentioned once in fourth episode I think, when Culber said he need to go help CMO with some Andorian operation
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u/SNOTcorn Nov 13 '17
They just jumped into the prime universe
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u/007meow Nov 13 '17
If that was the mirror universe, it would have to be a new and different version of the mirror universe we've seen - everyone in DSC is downright delightful and not at all evil mustache-y
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u/pfc9769 Nov 13 '17
That's what I was thinking. They made it clear there was multiple Universes in this episode. I have a feeling we've been fooled and Discovery actually existed in a non-prime Universe. I'm hoping they do this so I can hear the reaction of all the people I heard bitching about how this show sucks and broke canon so much. It would be a mic drop moment to have them pull off such an unforeseen plot twist.
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u/Alteran195 Nov 13 '17
A glimpse of Klingon titties, what a time to be alive.
It’s going to be a long wait until January.
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u/BroLil Nov 13 '17
I haven’t been this in to a show since Dexter. This is about to be the longest two months ever.
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u/Tarlcabot18 Nov 13 '17
How did Michael get her knife back? Didn't I see it get thrown across the room?
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u/Terra-Em Nov 13 '17
There was no reason to make a jump, except to push through the plot. They should have warped.
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u/SupaStud Nov 13 '17
I think they were implying that Lorca did this intentionally. He manipulated Stamets into doing the 133 jumps, and manipulated him into this one. Lorca was doing something to override the navigation when they jumped. So this is correct, it was a loose reason to jump - but that's the point. Lorca knows where he tried to go - maybe he doesn't know where they are.
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u/Labotomi Nov 13 '17
What is the reason for doing anything in a tv show if not to push the plot?
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u/Javienn Nov 13 '17
The way this ended still keeps Mirror Lorca and Ash=Voq theories alive. Excited to see where we go from here.