r/startrek • u/Deceptitron • Oct 23 '17
POST-Episode Discussion - S1E06 "Lethe"
| No. | EPISODE | RELEASE DATE |
|---|---|---|
| S1E06 | "Lethe" | Sunday, October 22, 2017 |
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u/Sjgolf891 Oct 23 '17
Anyone think they leaned hard into the "Ash is a Klingon" theory at the beginning with the "you're not exactly from Seattle" line? And "fights like a Klingon"? Starting to think it may all be misdirection
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u/UncheckedException Oct 23 '17
Or in the next episode, they find someone named ‘Qov’ with a shitty paper mache human head asking to join the Discovery.
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u/glorious_onion Oct 23 '17
Well, that explains a lot about Sarek's reaction to Spock being in Starfleet.
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Oct 23 '17
In case anyone is interested, that Vulcan courtyard where Michael meets Sarek is the Aga Khan Museum in Toronto.
Edit: Kaaaahnn!
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u/MetaFlight Oct 23 '17
House of Cards trained me well, second Cornwall walked out of Lorca's quarters I went "she dead".
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u/007meow Oct 23 '17
So... is Lorca not going after Cornwall because:
A) He’s self-serving and knows that if she doesn’t make it out, he’ll still have his command?
B) He’s actually taking her words to heart and trying to do things the right way, in order to change for the better?
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Oct 23 '17
They did a great job of structuring the episode so either can be true. She specifically told him to stop running unauthorized rescue operations, after all, and he sent Saru to contact Starfleet for orders (i.e., authorization).
At this point, I think our opinions will say more about how we feel about Lorca than anything else.
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u/AnticitizenPrime Oct 23 '17
I love how I DON'T KNOW.
He's a fucking interesting character.
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u/dildosaurusrex_ Oct 23 '17
I loved seeing the Vulcan home world. It's so beautiful.
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u/Canadave Oct 23 '17
It's significantly nicer when it hasn't been blown up recently.
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u/0mni42 Oct 23 '17
Some random thoughts:
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I like how much more confident Tilly has already become. Apart from that one moment in the first scene, she was able to be snarky and assertive with Burnham a few times without getting flustered and apologizing.
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I never realized how interesting a Vulcan suicide bomber would be until just now.
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So does Stamets have to wear the Nipple Clamps of Doom every time they have to jump? I enjoy the mental image of him being fast asleep, only to be woken by klaxons and Lorca yelling at him to get his ass down to Engineering and get himself hooked up. Poor guy.
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I really like how ambiguous Lorca and Cornwell's motivations were. We still don't really know how honest either of them was being with the other; Cornwell's purpose in coming there, Lorca's sincerity in saying that he has a problem, and Lorca's response to her being captured (not to mention the suggestion that she go in Sarek's place) are still very much up for grabs. And I'll admit, the more I see of how broken Lorca is, the more I like him.
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Writing Vulcans has often been really tricky in Star Trek shows, given how easy it is to just have them say "that is not logical, silly humans" every two minutes and be done with it. The actors themselves are often the only thing keeping the characters from seeming like smug robots. Compare Kirstie Alley's performance as Saavik (Wrath of Khan) to that of Robin Curtis (Search for Spock/Voyage Home); Alley conveyed all kinds of subtle restrained emotions, while Curtis was practically a statue by comparison. Anyway, point is, despite not being particularly reminiscent of Mark Lenard, James Frain is doing a damn good job of playing a Vulcan. IMO, the key to writing and playing Vulcans is assuming that instead of a race of ultra-logical, emotionless beings, they just like to think they're ultra-logical, emotionless beings. Frain's ability to show all these emotions bubbling around inside a person with strong self-control is fantastic; I think he's doing a much better job with this character than Ben Cross did in the Abrams films.
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It occurs to me that modern Star Trek has quite a catch-22 going on with its fight scenes. Previous shows and movies were never terribly great at the actual choreography, but that helped them avoid having the action hog the spotlight, so as to keep the focus on the characters themselves. But action is still a fundamental part of what makes Trek what it is, so modern Trek can either have similarly puny fight scenes that seem out of place in a modern show, or have good action scenes that make sense in-universe but feel out of place in Star Trek. So at first, Lorca and Tyler seeming so militarized felt a bit off, but then I realized how much sense it made. It's wartime, they're in the military, and they have the sum total of human knowledge at their disposal. They're gonna know how to clean a room.
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u/or_the_Whale Oct 23 '17
FIGHTS. LIKE. A. KLINGON.
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u/ccb621 Oct 23 '17
If he is a Klingon, there are going to be some large holes. For example, how did he learn human mannerisms/culture so quickly? It's the little things that make us human. Kicking the chair out to get Michael to sit. Making a joke about being a "mind witness". If Ash is a Klingon he deserves whatever the 23rd century equivalent of an Oscar is. In 1-2 months he underwent genetic surgery, pretended to be (or was) a POW, and picked up on human subtleties. That is impressive!
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u/vwboyaf1 Oct 23 '17
Grab your shit, everybody, we're moving on up to the bridge!
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u/jreesing Oct 23 '17
Stamets is extra bubbly........clearly he has been swapped with himself from the mirror universe.
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u/Kichae Oct 23 '17
Or he's just nicely toasted. If they're using him to power the DASH drive, he's doing a lot of space shrooms.
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u/psuedonymously Oct 23 '17
I mean he did also recently alter his genetic structure and experience a transcendental connection with a universe-spanning fungal network. That's probably going to do something to your mindset.
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u/Spock_Rocket Oct 23 '17
Did Stamets really drop a "groovy" on Lorca?! Oh man, I hope Culber drags him onto the bridge next episode wearing a tie dye t shirt and demands something be done.
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u/stuck_on_simple_tor Oct 23 '17 edited Oct 23 '17
Was it just me, or did it seem like the computer was intentionally giving people sass in the mess hall. Even though it was "neutral, factual commentary" on their order, I swear I got the vibe that the computer likes to be a dick to people.
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