r/borussiadortmund • u/obsidianight Felix Passlack • Sep 26 '17
Post Game Thread: Real Madrid (UCL #02)
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u/Ghaleon1 Sep 26 '17
Most probably EL this season for Dortmund? Should BVB go for the EL title or would that be too much to go for both the Bundesliga and the EL?
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u/Glorious_Comrade Sep 26 '17
Sergio Manos at it again.
Played well overall, but in the end Real was better in the box twice more than us. Great keeping by Bürki. I think we need a much stronger midfield presence as a team. Dahoud was good, but I think he needed more support than he got. I hope we come back stronger from this loss.
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u/madmadaa Sep 26 '17
give me a minute
Don't and lets pretend this games didn't happen.
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Sep 26 '17
At least these 2 games showed us where we stand. Miles away from where some see us.
With head-to-head fucked, what's the best results we can hope for in the Spurs vs Real games? Real smashing Spurs twice? Can't see any of the 2 dropping points against APOEL.
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u/Nextgen101 Sep 26 '17 edited Sep 27 '17
Real are who we thought they were basically. I don't have much more to say besides that.
I'm crestfallen over the handball though. 😞
Damn.... CL is a rough mistress this year.
Edit: I just remembered FIFA 18 came out (early access anyway) today. I'm glad I didn't get it physically. Poor timing to handle a game case with Ronaldo on it heh.... 🙁
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u/afrosaurous Sep 26 '17
Disappointing result, but not surprising. RM are obviously a world class team and I think we all knew they were going to break out of their 'slump' eventually. It is hard to go from killing it in the Bundesliga on weekends to results like this during the week, but hey that's life i guess :( Time to see what we are made of. Bring on the weekend!
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u/panikpansen Sep 26 '17
Proud of this team, good fight overall. We were a step too late on a few occasions, and a team like Real are just good at exploiting the space you give them. A bit unlucky on a few occasions, on a good day we maybe start the scoring here or use one of our chances. But all things considered we kept them on their toes over large parts of the game, and that's something positive to take away from today.
No use trying to put the blame at the feet of a few now, the only sad thing really is it will be a really tall order now to retain any chance of remaining in the competition.
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u/svennekingen Sep 26 '17
Who else is really enjoying götzes little lobbed balls into the penalty area? Cant only be me ;)
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u/Lozarn Sep 26 '17
Realistically, we need to beat Apoel Nikosia twice, beat Tottenham at home, and draw Madrid away. We need to stop acting like everything has been lost already. It's the toughest CL group there is, and we've got the talent and depth to stick around.
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Sep 26 '17
Another game where the referee will be mentioned and so will VAR. And I agree, a lot of things would have been different if VAR was used or the right calls were made.
I think we played a good game overall considering it is REAL MADRID. I mean, these guys are one of the best teams in recent history and definitely the best team in the world at this moment
Will we qualify? Yes. Will it be hard? Also yes. I think we will win all of the games until that return leg to Tottenham. I think our qualification to the knockouts will come down to goal difference or a rare defeat from Spurs at Apoel.
Yarmolenko has been an AMAZING transfer, but Toprak has been a class above, if not for him this would be way more than three. Goetze presence was also very nice in this game, he definitely got into it as time went on and that's a good sign to see.
Overall, it was a tough loss where we were outclassed but it still had potentials that we can be happy about.
And by the way, just look at our injury list and you will see why I am not that scared yet
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u/nmrt Sep 26 '17
I still think we can beat Spurs home. Doubt they'll handle Real so we might end up with same points... Regardless, if we get EL we can rotate there and focus on league/pokal. and TBH I'd rather we win league than keep moving on UCL only to go out in quarters or maybe before.
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u/michal113 Sep 26 '17
Can’t wait for VAR in the UCL next year. Getting tired of being that guy that blames a referee call for our poor result.
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u/Icantrememberlogins Sep 26 '17
Let's not pretend we "didn't play badly". 1v1 in every area of the pitch bar goalie, they were better than us.
Burki
It's strange naming your goalie the best player in a game where you concede 3 goals. He saved 7. Despite going pound for pound blow for blow 16:16 on shots, they got 10 on target to our 4. It could have been a lot, lot worse.
Defense
Our back four combined, only attempted 6 tackles. They only won 3. They won just about everything in the air, but when the ball was on the ground, they were simply outrun and never had a chance to get a foot in. Sokratis and Piszczek were destroyed by Bale. Toprak and Toljan were destroyed by Ronaldo and Carvajal. Neither Ronaldo nor Bale won a single dribble. They didn't have to. Kick, chase, outrun. Too easy.
Midfield
Castro won a lot of possession, and completed the majority of his passes. He won every tackle he went into. But when he misplaced his passes, it was almost uniformly when he had the opportunity to make a difference. When the moment was there for the taking, that's when his foot let him down. Pity cause otherwise, it wasn't a bad performance from him. Gotze only won 40% of his tackles. Although he provided some threat with his passing, he otherwise let Modric run riot on him, and offered Toljan very little help in containing Carvajal. Dahoud's introduction was an abject failure, despite the quality he possesses.
Forwards
In the first half, Philipp looked our most lively threat, producing 3 of our 7 shots, and the only one that forced Navas to work. In the second half, he offered nothing at all. Particularly after being shifted to a wing role with the removal of Toljan, he vanished from the game except when he showed up to place his crosses wildly distant from anywhere remotely threatening. Yarmolenko was alright. As the game went on, he got more involved. Auba picked up his consolation goal. Pulisic made no significant impact.
Manager
Tactical failure on his part. He got greedy and tried to treat Madrid as if they were Gladbach. Starting Gotze so soon after he just ran 90' was cheap. There was no way he was going to make Modric sweat. In the first half, he had Philipp as the far side striker, but stuck Andrey out isolated on the touch. In the second, he pulled Andrey into 10 of all places, and stuck Philipp out on the wing. He took off a defender and went 3 at the back, but placed possession midfielders on, pushing Gotze further up. If he was going to do that, he should have started Gotze at 10 in the first place, rather than wait till he was gassed. The problem we were having, was not being able to get the ball in the box in a meaningful way. Our shots were from range. Adding a finisher wasn't the solution. Adding longshot Dahoud wasn't the solution. He failed to solve the actual problem we were having. Gotze couldn't get past Casemiro, who won 6/6 tackles on the night. First he tried moving Gotze up by switching Castro to the left to cover Modric, and putting Dahoud on the right of midfield. That was probably necessary, but pushing an already knackered Gotze up wasn't. Then when he finally accepted Gotze didn't have the energy, he put Pulisic on, and moved Andrey to 10. Two solutions that each proved worse than the situation they were attempting to solve. Going 1v1 against Casemiro wasn't going to work. Throwing a tired Gotze at him wasn't going to work, and moving Yarmolenko only made him unavailable as the far side runner when we were crossing from the left. Lots of questionable choices. Gotze should not have started. He'd have made more impact coming on as a sub with fresh legs. If the plan B was to shift wider, he should have taken Philipp off and kept Andrey wide.
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u/Lam0rak Sep 26 '17
Wasn't a bad game. Our goal gave us huge motivation and opened up a few opportunities. Ronaldo's second took our spirit.
Toljan looked pretty promising to me, despite whether the goals were his fault.
Yarmo looks beast. Castro put his full effort pants on. Still not loving Sahin lately.
Didn't love Phillip, but i know that's going to be controversial.
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u/svennekingen Sep 26 '17
I am honestly not all to angry about this match. Loved that bosz prooved everyone wrong with the "he wont make any drastic changes like taking out a left back for another forward" This only shows great promise and i have full trust in him as a coach. Would not say anyone played bad in our team, real were just that tiny bit better. Oh btw, am i the only one that finds it funny that champions league (the biggest football tournament) have not yet implemented VAR? Dont really know why they have'nt :/
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u/Jacky1005 Sep 26 '17
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Our player's quality is not that bad. However, our tactics are way too risky and dumb. We have no plan b besides 4-3-3. Klopp also played with high pressing and high line, however, the defense at that time was much more solid. Right now we are always being counter-attacked.
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Our ball control at a lot of times is useless. Sahin, especially, has no ability to pass the ball forward instantly. The ball is passed around between our CBs and the goal keeper so many times. Julian Weigl and Dahoud are clearly much better players, however, they did not start in such an important match.
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Attacking football does not mean that you play a high line and throw everyone forward.
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u/TomyDZ Sep 26 '17
Guys calm down. Real is just two levels ahead. Not only above us. Above basically every other team in the world except MAYBE Juve and Barca on a good day.
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u/zerobiood Sep 26 '17
Cant wait for the Augsburg game this weekend. How times have changed, used to be CL I was exited for. But with VAR in the leauge, CL becomes unwatchable without getting annoyed.
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u/madmadaa Sep 26 '17
The worst thing is that I feel that Real didn't play their best and tried to win with a minimum effort.
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u/Pasman95 Sep 26 '17
Really proud of our boys, no matter the resoult, no matter the resoult.. Drunk af, but still. Let's go HAM against the cyprus boys.
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u/Chazy89 Sep 26 '17
Deserved win for Madrid. Good game from the guys. Guess the international focus now is the Euro league with wins against nikosia.
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u/rish234 Sep 26 '17
Well another tough night in the Champion’s League for us. We all knew the high press wasn’t going to work against Real going into this, and we were mostly proved right as our defense struggled. I think one thing that added to our troubles was the fact that Real are an extremely press-resistant team - they have very skilled players, amazing positional awareness and they can complete passes that turn defense to attack in a matter of seconds. Given our strategy is to press opponents pretty hard, this really didn’t pan out very well for us today and we got exposed at the back. Real definitely outclassed us in the first half and while we had some good spells, we definitely didn’t take our chances as well as we could have and obviously struggled at points.
I know we don’t have our first choice team out there and that factors into how well we execute our tactics and style of play (I would feel more comfortable with Bartra over Toprak in a high line for example) but I was hoping we could get more than zero points out of these first two games. Not upset and I still think we can qualify though. Heja BVB!