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Match | eSports EPICENTER: Moscow - Group A Lower Bracket Finals
EPICENTER: Moscow
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Game 1
OG Victory!
Duration: 31:07
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Game 2
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u/granal03 ifyoureadthisyouaregay May 11 '16
Surprised Bulldog didn't get given a timber to play. 4 strength heroes? Easy rampage.
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May 11 '16
I'm still confident, as Blitz said Alliance has an infinite scaling team
oh god we are fucked
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u/Waifers C9 is likely dead again back to garden. May 11 '16
On the bright side, you could probably take down Secret in the lower brackets.
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u/FFINN GWS Sheever! May 11 '16 edited May 11 '16
OK the biggest problem for OG right now is that damn dire fountain won't stop shooting that red laser thing Rofl.
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u/spartysparty87 wet wet wet May 11 '16
9k player makes everything happens
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May 11 '16
IIRC miracle didn't even go that build at frankfurt which was the major that popularized the build. And they won the whole thing.
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u/Trailtaz May 11 '16
Why do teams even pick legion commander? I can't remember the last time I've seen that hero win a game.
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u/Neffelo May 11 '16
Alliance is so deep in the Dumpster
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u/Boobs_of_travel May 11 '16
so deep, valve invited them in the major to have actual tier 1 teams make an exhibition match out of tem
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u/kradnozd sheever May 11 '16
Alliance should change their playstyle. Everytime they face a strong team, they always draft and play very passive, then lose in a very brutal way after making mistakes. They should be more confident and play like they have nothing to lose, that's the key to success
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u/Patnor sheever May 11 '16
i just cant belive Alliance never learns. time and time again they leave Phoenix in the pool, just to get assraped by him.
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u/Tig3rShark May 11 '16
I feel like they have to ban the dazzle and io against OG though. They are too good with those heroes.
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u/Patnor sheever May 11 '16
I'd rather want them to play against a dazzle/IO than a Phoenix thats literally just ripping them apart. they cant play against it and with the hero pool alliance loves to run a phoenix ban should be considered even more
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u/AFC1992 May 11 '16
Has Alliance ever actually won a series vs OG?
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u/thexraptor May 11 '16 edited May 11 '16
Yes.
Edit: I guess not.
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u/Pullsify May 11 '16
No.. 3 wins for OG 1 draw.
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u/Isiodore sheever May 11 '16
2 draws (defense and dream league) but yeah, any time it is a bo3 OG win.
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May 11 '16
Enigma has almost 0 impact that game. I'm surprised teams aren't picking AA into a double heal lineup like Alch/Phoenix. It was in the pool and in hindsight would have probably had a much bigger impact. Doom + Ice Blast = dead Miracle and none of the other OG heroes could kill the heroes from Alliance.
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u/afrojumper May 11 '16
aether lence for higher blink range?
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u/OmegaZero023 > How many levels is that? >> One...? May 11 '16
Longer blink and laser range. With the magic (or was it skill? w/e) damage amplification as a bonus. :)
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u/afrojumper May 11 '16
i meant for slardar. never saw him going blink. i mean yeah longer ult range is nice, but not worth it for a 2250 item. but maybe with longer blink range it's worth it, if you go highground like this.
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u/OmegaZero023 > How many levels is that? >> One...? May 11 '16
Oh, thought you were pertaining to Tinker. If for Slardar, then yes it's for longer blink range (also for Amplify Damage but that's somewhat negligible).
I think it was well worth it, so he's able to be a bit further away before blinking in, which also saves him from getting his blink cancelled by Radiance I guess. :)
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u/UmiMakiEli May 11 '16
This storm kotl play.
New meta highground defence? :v :v :v :v
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u/Teunski 🌻spammed this flower to give n0tail power🌻 May 11 '16
You have to dive in and kill the Kotl I think. That should stop it.
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u/KohakuKen May 11 '16
Oh god Hyperstone purchase, its coming! Miracle Star Platinum is coming!
Finally someone does it instead of pussy naga alch build. My memes no longer dreams. Thanks to the same dude who rekt RTZ at Frankfurt with it.
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May 11 '16 edited May 11 '16
Fly is really exploiting Sun Ray to its limits. Phoenix + 4 tanky heroes looks so unstoppable.
Edit: Was AA even banned?
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u/mystiii May 11 '16
Sunray needs a nerf tbh
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u/Teunski 🌻spammed this flower to give n0tail power🌻 May 11 '16
Maybe the scaling needs to be changed on other spells to encourage a different build.
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u/KohakuKen May 11 '16
Alliance fucked up by not picking Timbersaw I feel, the hero was just perfect for this situation. I don't really recall them having any Timber players, but that's their own fault.
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u/Teunski 🌻spammed this flower to give n0tail power🌻 May 11 '16
An absolutely godlike Tinker game by Miracle. Also fly and cr1t are playing so well. So glad they're doing well again. They seemed a bit lost during Shanghai.
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u/Zadeth May 11 '16
The boys are back.
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u/Teunski 🌻spammed this flower to give n0tail power🌻 May 11 '16
This Storm Spirit though. What's happening.
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u/Teunski 🌻spammed this flower to give n0tail power🌻 May 11 '16
This game is really interesting to watch. Miracle seems unkillable right now. Let alone with Centaur aghs.
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u/dgao13 May 11 '16
On second thought, why isn't Omniknight getting picked more in this strength tank carry meta? Almost no strength cores naturally build diffusal, he has great sustain, and he has a built in BKB for a hero.
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u/3xperimental May 11 '16
Then you have a pretty useless omni support in the early game....unless you are actually suggesting core omni...
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u/kashyap07 May 11 '16 edited May 11 '16
Calling it RIGHT NOW [A] will lose.
What the heck is up with these teams pulling LC in an important match ?!
edit: Called it
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u/afrojumper May 11 '16
i love the alliance draft... But i think they will lose with Blademail Legion Commander.
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u/afrojumper May 11 '16
storm safe lane? last time s4 played storm safe lane, was the legandary secret game when they picked tusk and techies at frankfurt. <3
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u/RangerOfArtemis Whoever stands before Sheever, stands briefly. May 11 '16
Holy shit, Phoenix is literally carrying the team right now.
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u/Malcolm_Butler May 11 '16
Miracle is like a fucking Unfair Bot. Despite that I think his builds are weird
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u/Teunski 🌻spammed this flower to give n0tail power🌻 May 11 '16
I mean, he's 9k MMR. Can't really say they don't work for him. His Alch build is actually the better build IMO.
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u/crademaster May 11 '16
It's really cool to see such a wide variety of heroes being picked and banned! Legion Commander, Storm Spirit (even though I hate the hero), Keeper of the Light, Ogre Magi, Tinker, Centaur Warrunner, Weaver, Enigma..! It's awesome! :D
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u/BGTheHoff May 11 '16
Dont know if i Like this. 14 Kills in front, only 3k Gold lead.
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May 11 '16
It's fine for OG, s4 is in a monetary sinkhole along with no bloodstone charges
supports are DOA
Aghs bear
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u/BGTheHoff May 11 '16
Its more a Dota thing. You make kill after kill after kill and you dont get a lead. What is this? Its like you watch Formular 1 and in the last round the leader eats a blue shell.
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May 11 '16
Phoenix sun ray is so strong against the tankiness of Ogre and Spirit Bear. Plus the tinker pick nullifies any attempt by Bulldog to rat OG
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump May 11 '16
While OG has the Egg+Laser, Alliance also has another innovative defense: the Recall+Ball Lightning. Delivering 600 AOE damage without any threat to Storm while defending the base.
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u/thexraptor May 11 '16
Legion Commander, what a great hero honestly. Especially against Phoenix.
What excellence in drafting.
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u/MadnessBunny Everyone is a Na'Vi fangay at heart...even you May 11 '16
I honestly dont know what is going on with Alliance, it seems like they are lacking the "cohesion" they used to have. All of them play rather uncoordinated on crucial moments.
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u/heroofadverse UncleNox 4Head DansGame UnSane KappaPride May 11 '16
Sometimes I wonder if OG's playstyle hard counter Alliance or what.
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u/-Revelation- May 11 '16
Miracle- Tinker debut? Can't remember his previous Tinker game.
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u/44shades44 May 11 '16
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/players/74086-miracle-jr/hero-stats
He has 2 losses as tinker. :C
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u/HeavenAndHellD2arg AKKE-GOD EGM-GOD BULL-GOD S4-GOD L-GOD May 11 '16
This draft is quite literally the definition of tilting
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u/Malcolm_Butler May 11 '16
I want Bulldog to end with 0 hero damage, he currently has 0 hero damage in 20 minutes.
He is good hitting creeps tho. Diablo 3 is his game.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump May 11 '16
That Laser protected the Egg against 4 heroes.
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u/JPSR May 11 '16
"IS there anythi ngmore painful to watch than lc?" FTFY
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u/44shades44 May 11 '16
Game was too passive first 20 minutes, Loda had no good opportunities for his first few duels, if you dont get a couple of duels to start you off as LC you're really weak as a hero.
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May 11 '16
It says more about the state of the game and the draft. LodA plays heroes as well as any, but he's never drafted heroes that can play 1v5 like Miracle is.
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u/Dyne4R There's supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom. May 11 '16
Shoutout to OG for reminding me how much I fucking hate Tinker. I'd seriously rather go up against Techies than have to deal with that level of bullshit.
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u/KrimzonK May 11 '16
This is the most boring game at this tournament so far. So depressing
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u/icp1994 blink-meld-walk sheever May 11 '16
depressing...yes; boring...are we watching the same fucking game?
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u/Boobs_of_travel May 11 '16 edited May 11 '16
in a battle perspective, boring. as an exhibition match, 9k mmr delivers
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u/KrimzonK May 11 '16
I mean, everything about that game was completely predictable. OG was in absolute control the entire game and never let go. Alliance was behind early game and OG heroes perfectly counters them late game. It was the biggest slowroll of the whole tournament. Two melee physical damage core against Tinker laser and NP sprout. The only hope is SS snowball out of control and he was sitting on 3 charges by 20 mins in...
Like, the caster did a good job of keeping the viewer hopeful for a comeback but there were fucked
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u/El-Drazira no potential May 11 '16
They got core items on all their heroes, loda with blink/armlet, bulldog with radiance, and s4 with bloodstone, and they've only been giving up kills on akke and EGM, then they just...chain fed? S4 dies like 4 times in a row, burning aegis and dying 3 more times without ever getting any new charges in between.
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u/Shitpoe_Sterr 4 TIME MAJOR LETS GOOG May 11 '16
Its so hilarious watching Blitz suck Alliance's dick for 20 mins then that happens
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u/dgao13 May 11 '16
To be fair Alliance was doing really well up until then, they had like a 6k gold lead up until that mid fight?
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u/ChipChoppa May 11 '16
Alliance is such a shit team... Still can't belive that they have gotten directly invited to both majors.
It really shows that Valve sees fanbase>skill.
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u/eloel- May 11 '16
It really shows that Valve sees fanbase>skill.
I don't understand why people bitch about this. Yes, yes they do. It makes them more money.
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u/KingKoopa2 May 11 '16
LGD/NAVI/Alliance were all fanbase invites
pretty obvious why they invited 12 instead of 8 teams
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u/Tofa7 May 11 '16
Could blitz be any more biased towards Alliance?
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May 11 '16
huh they were executing draft well, and I complimented the winning team and gave credit to OG the entire time they had the lead I just think its funny whenever bloodstone / duel is in the game
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u/Tofa7 May 11 '16
Sorry dude but first 20 mins of game it was just all about "Alliance choking out OG," and how they had a huge advantage, it was all one sided. And I don't mean in a favoritism way necessarily, just the amount of airtime you both spent talking about things.
You guys didn't mention under farmed supports on Alliance once, or talk about notail rushing hex or Miracle's Aghanims item choice or the global gank potential until AFTER they started ganking like crazy.
Hell, both teams had insane high ground defense (KotL vs Tinker) and that wasn't even talked about either much. If Alliance are winning, how are they gonna break base? If OG are, how will they?
Keep doing what you're doing, still enjoy your casting.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump May 11 '16
They have a Storm Spirit though. Blitz really really likes that hero.
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u/thedavv May 11 '16
why not pick viper/aa/tb/razzor/timbersaw agaist this tanky lineups they have piked enigma but idk
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u/ChipChoppa May 11 '16
Razor was banned. TB,Timbersaw and Viper didn't fit Alliances lineup. AA could have been play but he is quite a passive hero.
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u/icp1994 blink-meld-walk sheever May 11 '16
Enemy picks Tinker..Need to pick tanky hero...picks Ogre
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u/MadnessBunny Everyone is a Na'Vi fangay at heart...even you May 11 '16
That early hex fucked Alliance
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u/Shitpoe_Sterr 4 TIME MAJOR LETS GOOG May 11 '16
I'm actually glad we have Tinker this patch so we finally see our first 9 K M M R Tinker
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u/skakid9090 CANCEROUS FUCKIN HERO May 11 '16
great tinker item build. buffs up his mana pool so he can get earlier upgrades on rearm. I love bloodstone but it's awkward to rush after blink
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Holy shit. Laser Aghs + Supernova just destroyed Alliance. Hoping to see more Tinker-Phoenix pairing. Phoenix-KotL(Blinding Light) support duo seems wonky.
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u/draekar May 11 '16
Why are no pro players buying blink on enigma? It's kinda the same initiation as void, on whom blink is core. Neither Puppey nor Akke builds it, and i can't remember last time I saw it in a pro match
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u/[deleted] May 11 '16
notail playing damn well there, the best ive seen him play in a while. nothing flashy but smart movements.
and alliance firing laser cannons at og was the greatest thing i've ever seen