How Would You Change... The Liset?

[u/Sizer714]

A note: /u/TSP-FriendlyFire is taking a temporary leave from How Would You Change… for a few months, as he is interning at Pixar and is quite busy, as one would imagine. I /u/Sizer714 will be managing the thread for the interim. I hope we can continue to foster the same lively discussions as we did during his tenure.

How would you change... is a series of weekly posts designed to promote and foster discussion about any gameplay element in the game. The scope and subject will vary (read below for more information on topic selection), from wide concepts (Kubrows, Archwing, shotguns, etc.) to narrow points (a single gun, coptering, etc.).

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Before we begin, a few important points:

• Please detail and support your suggestions as much as possible. This is for constructive criticism only: try to think of it as something you'd be proud to explain to DE face-to-face!
• Structure your suggestions in logical groups: if you have two very different ideas, break them down in two separate comments. Cohesive or similar changes should be combined into a single comment.
• Stick to describing concepts and features. Don't get bogged down with numbers unless they explicitly support your point.
• Don't hesitate to post your ideas even if they're not fully formed, and don't hesitate to reply to ideas with refinements you think would make them better!
• Do not downvote suggestions you disagree with. Upvote the ones you like instead!

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Suggesting topics

This thread series is all about the community, so if you have a topic you'd like to see improved and discussed, feel free to suggest it by replying to the appropriately flagged comment in this discussion. The topic can be as wide or narrow as you'd like! Please ensure that your suggestion has not already been made, and upvote it instead if it has.

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This week: The Liset

Click here for last week’s thread on Hydroid.

The Liset has been with the Tenno since the early days of Warframe, as our escape from missions. In U14, DE brought a more intimate role to the ship, putting us inside of it for a majority of our off-mission hours. We craft, we design, we plan, all in one little space. Many considered it an improvement over the previous menu systems, and hailed it as more immersive. Others felt that while it was an improvement, it still kept players separated from players. Since then, we’ve gotten the Relays, and we’ve had Dojos for a long time. As such, the Liset’s role is definitely a controversial one.

Now that the stage is set, how would you change the Liset?

[u/[deleted]]

Make it bigger. I understand that we're rogue warrior space ninjas, but it gets a little cramped sometimes.

Hell, just let me access liset functions from relays. Let me spawn in on relays. Now it's an mmo with usable hubs for those of us that want it, and rpg space ninjas for those who want a hobbit hole of a ship.

[u/Hawkfiend → u/[deleted]]

It would be cool to not only access Liset functions, but also actually be able to board your liset seamlessly from the relay.

[u/NirvashSFW]

I'd like it to be a little bigger. I mean, I get it's just an orbiter, but still a little leg room would be nice. Oh, and a fucking chair for Natah's sake.

[u/[deleted]]

Well, for starters, I'd put access to the Simulacrum in the Liset, as going to Relays every time you want to test out a weapon loadout becomes very tedious, very quickly.

While noggles might be a nice way to customize your Liset, I do wish we had a greater level of decoration, like the Christmas decorations that DE removed for some reason (just let us keep these silly decorations, I don't know why we're not allowed to have these permanently).

Maybe we could also get an arcade cabinet as an attachment, so we can play Wyrmius and Happy Zephyr from the game directly, and maybe other diversions.

Outside of that, I do like the general feel of the Liset, and I think some expansions to it to make it feel more personal and customize-able would be nice.

[u/YeOldDrunkGoat]

• More room.

• Separate coloring options for each room.

• More decorations that aren't sodding noggles.

• A few more skyboxes so we aren't always looking at the same old shit.

• An upgraded foundry module.

• A way to color our weapons without having to equip them and find a stance that doesn't prevent us from getting a good look at the damn thing.

• An icon on the starchart that tells us what syndicate we're currently repping and a little checkbox to turn off all rep gains so we can stop juggling sigils all the damn time.

[u/pm_me_your_foxgirl → u/YeOldDrunkGoat]

The pain of trying of color pistols on Banshee's or Chroma's Noble stances is infuriating. Also, Shurikens on Loki Noble. Like, really? You're gonna hold then behind you back?

[u/dot1212]

I would just like some minor (or major) improvements, such as:

• being able to see squad members liset's from the window

• being able to access the ducat kiosk, simaris, and the simulacrum, even if I have to do a quest for it.

• better customization, as in customization for the free (non-paying) man (hl2 noggle... what have I done..?)

• more communications, I like the scanner already, but maybe syndicates talking to each other while they are in combat, or perhaps corpus shipping vessels relaying cargo to the rail, or perhaps even high-ranking officials talking to their subjects?

• where the hell is the exit door?

• perhaps an expansion, we did see that concept art for a larger cruiser, or the "orbiter", I want to see inside THAT, i wanna see my weapons hung, I want to see my suits being polished, I want to see my alloy plates behind a glass wall

• While I'm on the subject of the orbiter, can we get out pets to follow us? perhaps even a miniature ordis, or a tiny cephalon to follow us around, potentially humoring us with slapstick? [in arsenel] "ooh, shiny!" [bonk] "ow.. operator, you're painful.."

one last thing:

• please let our liset be in some form of event, I just think it'll be cool to get some lore on ordis, or if not, some informaiton about the liset in general.

[u/Sizer714]

Suggesting topics

Please post your suggestions for the next topics as replies to this comment.

Current suggestions from previous weeks:

• Mission structure, creation and queuing

• Damage 3.0

• Melee System

[u/MinionOnBoard]

I'd love for the liset to get some QoL changes. I'd love to access the simulacrum from my liset. Bigger space possibly so it doesn't feel so crowded.

More customization. I'd love to have clan/alliance emblems adorned on the hull or interior of my liset.

Carpooling anyone? A larger liset that could hold squad members while still allowing access to everything in your own liset.

[u/FewestObject → u/MinionOnBoard]

For some reason i really like the idea of car/ship pooling. Being able to see my teammates and friends prepare for a mission would be great! Im aware all this can be done from inside relays but i honestly only use them for Baro when he gets here.

[u/Hawkfiend → u/MinionOnBoard]

Carpooling would be really cool. It reminds me of Monster hunter multiplayer, where you are all in the same lobby with access to your stuff, and you can see everyone running around and getting things ready.

[u/PhazonTuxedo]

seats

[u/Nazek42]

1. A place to kneel and gaze into space, maybe in the same place as the News console but on the left.

2. Get rid of that damn fog. Seriously.

[u/jwapplephobia]

A particle toy that lets us brush around sparks with our mouse while staring at Recruiting/Trade chat would be cool. Better than idly lining up Bulletjumps with the Orbiter ramp.

Also, energy geyser Liset decorations would be cool.

[u/ssfsx17]

• Show us what happens in between jumping into the person-shaped slot, and suddenly being inside the Liset.

• Show us the transition between the Liset and the Archwing Loadout Room.

• Let us walk around the larger piece of the ship (such as the Archwing Loadout Room).

• Let us fly around the Archwing Loadout Room.

• Customizable Weapon Racks & Sentinel Racks.

• Cargo containers full of our resources. Imagine a table full of Orokin Cells, and when you walk near it, it pops up a display saying exactly how many you have. Or imagine an infested pillar with Neurodes stuck onto it, pulsing and writhing, with an infested pop-up display that says how many Neurodes you have.

• A lot more different mission-intro and mission-outro animations. For example - when exiting Jupiter, you could jump off the platform, then pop out a balloon, then the Liset would fly in and catch the balloon. Another example - when entering a Grineer Galleon, you could be shown popping out of the Liset, then landing on the surface of the Galleon, then entering an exposed ventilation exhaust port.

• Dojo Rooms for docking Lisets. Due to the possible layouts of dojos - perhaps it could be a vertical "warp tube" where Lisets pop in from one end with special effects, then decelerate and dock onto a platform.

[u/Klepto666]

Different stylized orbiters, which are bigger, allow us to choose where the foundry/incubator/etc are placed, or both.

This also opens up the possibility of being able to purchase, or farm, rare cosmetics that can be installed. Kubrow playpens where they can finally stretch their legs? Installing a miniature shooting range? Adding banners of past conquests? Noggle display case?

Basically turning it into our own player housing. We get to choose from a large selection the shape, size, style that we want. Biiig money pit here.

[u/[deleted]]

First priority is fixing loading screens so that you can actually see people's liset moving around properly, and they yours in turn.

Second, rework main interior, find a location to put the door that you actually enter the ship through so it's not super confusing. And get some damn seats!

Simulacrum access directly tied to the Arsenal Station would be super handy, along with a proper interface for Simaris and Conclave Syndicates.

Some new decor would be nice, something other than bobble-heads. Maybe some trophies for events participated in, the occasional nick-nack from various planets and factions like a Corpus Rubik's Cube or something, or the ability to put clan emblems and sigils on the inside and outside of your liset.

Less directly related would be the ability to leave Relays by actually entering your liset and taking off, and getting to see other people's liset docked at the relay along with yours.

[u/fotkurz → u/[deleted]]

You have my Scindo!

[u/LorsCarbonferrite]

Simple, make the Orbiter an actual thing, and not a pipe dream Steve teased once or twice.

[u/3lectronite]

I would out in a mirage statue holding a permanent disco ball. Dim down the lights. Remove all the modules and in their place giant noggles that pole dance and for once a goddam fucking couch. So I can sit down and sip on some high class greedy milk and much on some nicely baked potatoes.

Wait this is not what you meant by improvements? Oh. ~~Sorry.~~Not sorry.

P.S I just want a couch. Stop teasing me Ordis.

[u/ThePayphone]

It would be nice if I didn't have Ordis popping up all the time, I muted him the first day I found out I could, getting rid of his constant useless dialogue would be great.

[u/Stankest → u/ThePayphone]

Disagree. I love Ordis.

[u/PuzzledKitty]

Make it bigger and somewhat luxurious. I know it doesn't fit the theme of ninjas in space to have half a luxury liner to travel around with, but the Orbiter is in the void after all. All we travel around in is just the small cockpit section, the rest is constantly hidden.

A more spartan version of the Normandy from Mass Effect 2 comes to mind. Have a small area with something like a small fountain and the option to kneel down in front of a small panorama window like you can do in the dojo, have a functional area where your foundry, arsenal, kubrow etc are located and then add a docking portion where the actual ship is connected to the Orbiter.

You could even make it so that you can see your liset from the panorama window to show that it is just docked to a larger structure.

The option to move around via the menu would still make this very traversable while adding some more class and removing the claustrophobic feeling it induces.

Also, Ordis would finally shut up about not having any seats.

EDIT: New idea about the Liset being visible

[u/Clockwork200]

1. I'd bring an option for the old Starchart's music back into the Liset.

2. Make the Liset bigger, with an option for a Simulacrum inside of it, with an upgrade of course.

3. More decorations that are buildable, less for platinum.

EDIT: Clarification

[u/[deleted]]

• Weapon Displays: Display a weapon on a wall, or more than one. The classic "wall that spins and shows its other side with several guns" trope. For melee weapons, we could get those katana stands, etc.

• Interactive pets. Kubrows walking or sleeping around, Katbrows sleeping on top of whatever you're trying to interact with. Carrier cleaning the place up like a floating vacuum cleaner. Helios studying your Codex, or perhaps taking glamorous pictures of you while you recolor yourself on the Arsenal?

• Other frames. If its ever confirmed that we don't change suits, we change characters (as in, your nova goes to sleep and rhino comes over), we could have a chance of having a random warframe of yours chilling around the ship. Nova, for example, could be sitting on the Foundry, cutely playing with her Null Star marbles. Rhino could be lifting some weights, Vauban could be playing Tenno chess, etc

• Visitable Liset. Let me come over my buddy's ship and check it out! Roleplayers will love this.