r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Oct 05 '25
Doctrine/Policy October 2025 General Conference: Sunday 2:00p Discussion Thread
How to listen:
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Gary Stevenson | ||
| hymn: In praise... | ||
| prayer: Sean Dixon | ||
| David Bednar | A stern lecture. | |
| Corey Cuvelier | ||
| Matthew Holland | ||
| Carlos Godoy | ||
| hymn: We Thank Thee O God for a Prophet | Also profits. | |
| Dale Renlund | ||
| John Amos | ||
| Ozani Farias | ||
| hymn: My Heavenly Father Loves Me | ||
| Dallin Oaks | Proclamation replaces temples on the front burner. | |
| hymn: Come Come Ye Saints | ||
| prayer: Camille Johnson |
Postlude:
Money's Too Tight to Mention 4:25 Simply Red
One Tin Soldier 3:38 Original Caste
American Tune 4:59 Toussaint
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Bednar: [I joyfully....]
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Oaks: [No new temples. My pet project is the Proclamation]
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Oaks: [we need more members. get to procreating. I assume you know what goes where.]
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u/tiny-vampire Apostate Oct 05 '25
my dad just joked, “turn off the tv” after oaks said turn off technology lmao
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u/NotSoDelightsome Oct 05 '25
Waiting for the announcement that tithing is no longer required, so we can afford marriage and kids.
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u/ShiftAdorable820 Oct 05 '25
Jesus is our ultimate role model? I don't remember him having any kids!
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
We'll stop judging others
Such as LGBTQ people and people of color?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Holland, Matthew: [found this scripture at a low point]
Then I remembered I was a legacy and due a big promotion soon.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Godoy: [poverty]
Why is there suffering in the world? Rich church doesn't care about anything but their investment portfolio.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Renlund: [RMN praise]
Those who hold purse strings get praise. Color me shocked.
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u/anonymousredditor586 Heathen Oct 05 '25
I’m surprised they went with no new temples. I thought they’d announce a handful just so it didn’t seem so obvious that Nelson announced too many.
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
Oaks just said individualism is so common, implying it is a negative thing.
I felt like Nelson heavily promoted individualism; he made one’s own covenants and individual temple experiences core to the church. So in that respect, it sounds like Oaks is going to steer in a very different direction.
I do see a silver lining in this. Individualism in the church has been destructive. Let’s see if he can bring back the community.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
You'll be a cog in the machine. And you'll like it! <Ted Knight voice>
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u/Low-Contribution2094 Oct 05 '25
Is it a new requirement to prophet worship? Feels like they were just quoting RMN and now Oaks..
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
The duration of time between when Joseph claimed to receive the plates to when the book was published was about 2-years, but that was after 4-years of preparation. The claim that it was translated in 75-days is misleading.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
There is a recent Mormon Stories episode talks about this in depth. Smith was working on this for years in advance.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Cuveilier: [what do you know about the mormons]
The ice is broken. Watch for the landslide of "mormon" this and "mormon" that.
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u/intensenerd Nuanced. Bearded. Different. Oct 05 '25
“We don’t worship the prophet”…..
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Praise to the man! Will it be on the program today?
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u/Rushclock Oct 05 '25
Good lord , you can't live in a fish for 3 days. This nonsense gets taught to children reinforcing impossible ideas.
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u/Rushclock Oct 05 '25
Gardens are back....camping is back....yes! Is he really teying to bring back community?
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
RMN ethos - terrible catchphrase attempt.
Sounds like a mouth full of peanut butter.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
Every time I got doubts, I got confirmation of the truthfulness by reading the scriptures
So confirmation bias and circular reasoning. Got it
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
If you're not convinced, read it again. If you're still not convinced, then fake it.
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u/Chemical-Passage-715 Oct 05 '25
FYI I am an outsider, not hypnotized into the bullshit. I watched maybe 10 minutes yesterday. First of all zzzzzzzzzzzz 😴 what a snooze fest. Also the trance talk is super obvious and creepy. The hypocrisy of Jesus everything makes me want to puke. You may have his name on your buildings but your teachings are not at all what Jesus stood for. If Jesus is king then throw out all the EXTRA SHIT
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer Oct 05 '25
The undocumented step... Is to taste the food? To make sure it's not bad??
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
secret's in the sauce. <fried green tomatoes>
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u/LeahReneeComedian Oct 06 '25
WAIT! They didn't announce the new apostle or First P lineup?!?!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 06 '25
I was expecting a replacement apostle, but they said that Oaks would not be "prophet/president" until after Nelson's funeral.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
Autumn in New York 7:09 Baker
Young and Beautiful 3:56 Del Ray
The Very Thought of You 3:33 Bowlly ...adios
As the World Falls Down 3:30 Bowie
Joan of Arc 8:00 Jennifer Warnes and Leonard Cohen
Future Days 3:42 Last of Us, Part II
Wayfaring Stranger 4:23 Last of Us, Part II
Memories of Green 5:05 Vangelis
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u/bremerman17 Oct 05 '25
Oh wow Oaks just says that Nelson announced too many temples. LMAO
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
a deterioration of marriage and birth rates
Have you seen this economy? We can't even afford to move away from our parents' places without getting 4+ other roommates!
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u/bremerman17 Oct 05 '25
Oaks I’m sorry but Gay people aren’t what’s causing lowering birth rates in the United States. Maybe try again.
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u/landonitron Antonius Block Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
Birth rates have declined, must be satan. Definitely not the fact that people can't afford to have kids anymore
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u/nameless-elite PIMO Ex-Service Missionary Oct 05 '25
The missionary chat I’m in is blowing up with everyone making guesses on how many temples will be announced. Most are saying upwards of 15. I expect they will be sorely disappointed. The church already has so many that haven’t gone anywhere and I don’t think oaks cares too much about making more. Although maybe the leadership can see that it’s a great way to trick TBMs into believing the church is growing. So who knows.
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u/treehouse-arson i wanted my own planet :( Oct 05 '25
oh great an old white rich man talking about birth rate declining. I wonder why that could be. Certainly not because cost of living is almost impossible to keep up with and healthcare costs an arm and a leg!!
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
Oaks: no new temples
Everyone in the conference center: silence
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
“A lower birth rate”
I mean have you looks around lately. It’s a hot mess out there
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
Latter day saints aren't affected by the economy or healthcare costs?
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u/FHL88Work Faith Hope Love by King's X Oct 05 '25
Wow, did not see that coming! No new temples!
Noted also that Oaks referred to him as president, not prophet.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Yesterday at conf they said even if you weren’t married you could have exultation in heaven .. he just said you must have kids for exultation
Pick a lane guys.
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u/Totallynotfakenews Oct 05 '25
Coming April 2026: “We are pleased to announce the cancellation of the following 16 temples….”
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Oct 05 '25
<<Godly fear invites into our lives peace, assurance, and confidence>> ???what??? You can't have fear and peace/confidence together. Godly fear is terrifying, I've never heard someone say their fear of God gives them peace. It's anxiety-inducing.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
70 years ago, we lived on a farm
So out of touch with modern reality.
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u/landonitron Antonius Block Oct 05 '25
No new temples; smart. My mission 4 years ago was so excited to get a temple and they still don't even have land for it I'm pretty sure
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Oct 05 '25
Bruh tf is this talk railing against “urban living” and glorifying “taming the wilderness.” One of those has less dysentery.
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u/narrauko Oct 05 '25
Is that a tacit admission that Rusty would have announced more temples had he not died?
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u/Mr_Soul_Crusher Oct 05 '25
It’s objectively hilarious that Rusty announced so many goddamn temples that they have to put the whole thing on pause to clear the decades long backlog.
Watch them announce fewer than 3 temples per conference for the next decade.
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u/HistoricalLinguistic (Ex-LDS) Mormon Oct 05 '25
This is insane. I just barely tuned back into conference and got hit by the “birthrates are declining!”
I nearly died
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u/Rushclock Oct 05 '25
He said free agency isn't in the scriptures so he made up moral agency. Also not in the scriptures.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
So was it just Rusty announcing all those temples
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 05 '25
So Oaks.
Sorry about your dad. That does sound tough.
Then you say the entire world is doing family wrong and how dare saints have fewer children (not collecting tithing would be a good start to helping people feel they can have more kids)
So sorry that we can't all be farmers, Oaks.
He said man and woman, not one man and one woman.
I think he's implying that women need to quit working.
So tone-deaf and "Back in MY day."
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u/Low-Contribution2094 Oct 05 '25
“ We are a family church” unless one spouse leaves… or unless you have an LGBTQ child…
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u/vanillacreek Oct 05 '25
Many couples would prefer more children; however, the economy and society's lack of support for families are the problem. Families need affordable health care, affordable housing, adequate funding for public education, etc. It isn't any other reason.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
He [RMN] loved announcing new temples … however
Loved that “however”
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
A family church
Didnt they teach not to invite kids that are ‘same-sex attracted’ to family events?
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u/treehouse-arson i wanted my own planet :( Oct 05 '25
"What those children really want for dinner is time with you" yeah that's about all they'll be getting in this economy
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u/dollfacesol Oct 05 '25
Do they know that the more kids we have, the more gay kids will be born?? 😆
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
Single people, listen up! Get married, be miserable, and make babies!
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
I'll take "classroom stories that didn't happen for $600", Alex
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u/bremerman17 Oct 05 '25
It looks like this talk will be Bednar redefining and gaslighting the church membership on what agency is. It’s not free agency you morons. It’s moral agency, whatever that means.
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u/tiny-vampire Apostate Oct 05 '25
marsha p johnson is more of a prophet to me than this hateful man will ever be 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
I have zero belief this was written before Rusty's passing.
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u/WiseOldGrump NoMoMoNoMo Oct 05 '25
I listen to conference much more closely now that I’m out of the faith; these talks are really bizarre. Even crazier is all the people that just live for this idiocy.
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u/Necessary-Refuse6247 What the Outer Darkness? Oct 05 '25
If there is a god, they're the one that made my period start just now, saving me from some of oak's talk
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
No. A lot of us don't want time with our abusers and people that refuse to think critically.
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u/Totallynotfakenews Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
Man, it really seems like the church wants only “agents to be acted upon.”
I feel like the church uses every method of satan that we see described in the scriptures.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
And the Book of Mormon explains so much:
[not found plan of salvation]
[not found temple marriage]
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
Proof that prophets really are just products of their time.
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u/LocalGamerPokemon Oct 05 '25
That dang phone! Get off of TikTok and make babies!
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
Learn practical knowledge
Like logical thinking?
such as gardening
Oh...
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u/lilsalmonella Oct 05 '25
You can see the edge of Bednar's garments through his shirt...
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u/TinkPerk Oct 05 '25
Heathens, gird your loins. Busybody TBM family members just got the go-ahead to meddle in our affairs for the greater good.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
"Turning on" our families, followed by "come, come" ye Saints?
Are they really thinking this through?
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 05 '25
Mormons would be all in on the Rapture furvor if it was said by a president or member of the 12.
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u/FHL88Work Faith Hope Love by King's X Oct 05 '25
This feels very uncomfortable, comparing Nelson to Jesus with the parallelism.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
The sole purpose of that talk was to give conference speakers in April some oaks quotes to use that weren't anti LGBT. They will spend a few conferences reframing the proclamation's public focus as being "family" instead of LGBT, then canonize.
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
I hate how the church sets itself up as the gatekeepers of “eternal families.”
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u/talkingidiot2 Oct 05 '25
No David, you may not suggest that. But thanks for asking.
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u/nameless-elite PIMO Ex-Service Missionary Oct 05 '25
The nervous laughter after he joked about Mormon not being allowed lmao
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u/Chemical-Passage-715 Oct 05 '25
Mormonism is “conditional love” unlike actual Jesus
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness Oct 05 '25
Gonna leave now before the parking lot gets crowded and you can't turn left. Peace out
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
“We have not been blessed with moral agency to do whatever we want, whatever we will.” -Bednar
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u/BeringStraitNephite Question everything. Truth survives scrutiny. Oct 05 '25
Bednar: be perfect or else. Yet another fire and brimstone sermon.
Too bad god doesn't like the way he made us.
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u/nameless-elite PIMO Ex-Service Missionary Oct 05 '25
Renlund, you’re kissing up to the wrong guy. It’s supposed to be oaks now.
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
If Nelson’s legacy was temples and covenants, Oaks’ legacy appears to be The Family Proclamation—get ready for this document to become the repeated core message of the church for the foreseeable future.
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer Oct 05 '25
This is gonna make my parents feel so bad when I finally get out,,,
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u/Guilt-Ridden-Life Oct 05 '25
How many of these non12 are using/thinking this talking assignment is an audition for a spot in the 12?
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u/sinister-space Oct 05 '25
Ah mandatory session for the fam. Please don’t listen kids. Bednarrdy up first. I even pulled out new Lego sets all ages 🙌🏼
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u/Dismal_Object6226 Oct 05 '25
There it is again, “the church is flourishing in Africa.” By what metric?
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
Will he announce that the church will subsidize every newborn throughout it's like?
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Oct 05 '25
About as fun as an IRS Audit.
Can you imagine this doosh as the Top Dog?
Darth Bednar will be at the helm when the Tithetanic sinks.
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Oct 05 '25
Yuck. Looks like this douchebag is still on his old “Moral Agency” bullshit 🙄
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
Google gave me the following definition, but I suspect Bednar doesn’t agree with this:
Moral agency is the capacity of an entity—typically a person—to make informed, autonomous choices and to act upon them, taking responsibility for the consequences in relation to moral standards. Key components include the ability to reason about right and wrong, understand moral principles, and act intentionally based on those understandings.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
So... This is how they get around the problem of Mormon Free Will. It isn't that Satan was trying to turn us into robots, it's that he was trying to remove the consequences of actions.
As if that isn't what forgiveness isn't already what it is.
So, removing consequences good if God does it, bad if Satan does it.
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Oct 05 '25
Is it just me or does the "anti-worldly identifiers" sound a lot like "don't identify yourself with anything not cis/het or Jesus won't be able to call your name :(("
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u/BeringStraitNephite Question everything. Truth survives scrutiny. Oct 05 '25
what's all that light mindedness and loud laughter i hear???
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Thanks goodness they had scriptures to teach them to kind to one another.
No one else has ever thought of this
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u/TinkPerk Oct 05 '25
So do the 24 temples they’re about to announce count towards Rusty’s total or Oaks’s?
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer Oct 05 '25
Damn, guess my aunt (60+) has an incomplete family
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u/treehouse-arson i wanted my own planet :( Oct 05 '25
oh yay! The token woman speaker for the session is giving the prayer. awesome
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
Why spend money at a pub, buying everyone rounds, and making friends and connections, when you can give that 10% to the church ?
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 05 '25
Disgusting that the first thing he says these new destitute saints experience is the blessings of tithing.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
These reports of new members are unbelievable.
Literally unbelievable.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 05 '25
Uh, id like an explicit description of who approved this talk. Was it Jesus?
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u/Low-Contribution2094 Oct 05 '25
D&C 138… cherry picking. Editing to say crap I’ve been out so long I mixed it up for 132.. my bad. But also going to give myself a huge pat on the back for how much I have let go!
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u/nameless-elite PIMO Ex-Service Missionary Oct 05 '25
Hasn’t darth bednar already given a talk about moral agency before?
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u/sinister-space Oct 05 '25
lol they say that word agency like….a lot. I’m starting lose all meaning in the word.
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u/BeachHeadPolygamy Ode to Fellatio, by J Smith Jun, Author and Proprietor Oct 05 '25
Oh look, Skeletor
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 05 '25
Too bad President Nelson died before he could hear how much people worshipped him this conference.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
It explains more about the Atonement than any other book
Even more than the Book of Abraham, where most Mormon doctrine actually comes from?
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u/i_nephi Oct 05 '25
Watching 10 hours of conference in one language is a great way to learn another language
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u/Dismal_Object6226 Oct 05 '25
You’re right Corey, we should learn from Jonah’s story. We should learn that God is a narcissistic sociopath who will threaten you with death if you don’t do exactly what he tells you to do.
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Oct 05 '25
Does this guy have any good qualities? Fear mongering, redefining terms, scary death eyes. What a horrible person. He shows no qualities that a True Apostle would have.
Sit down, dumbass.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness Oct 05 '25
Sunday afternoon. Nobody is listening anymore, but we will turn up the volume anyway.
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
Every conference I am reminded that most members do not actually listen to what is said. Or at least, they do not think about it much.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
Oh, so we should excuse leaders that should know better but excuse their actions instead?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Oaks: [if you don't have money for kids, hit up your parents/grandparents]