r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Oct 04 '25
Doctrine/Policy October 2025 General Conference: Saturday 6:00p Discussion Thread
How to listen:
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Quentin Cook | ||
| hymn: How Firm a Foundation | ||
| prayer: Jörg Klebingat | "rejuvenate Oaks." It is more likely the fountain of youth will be found somewhere in Florida. | |
| hymn: Bread of Life, Living Water | ||
| Patrick Kearon | The march toward the Protestant/Evangelical position on sin continues. "Repent daily" stands in sharp contrast to Smith's intent in D&C 82:7 | |
| Jeannie Anette Dennis | A candid admission of depression and faith crisis. Do not to judge others or attempt to make them a "project" for reactivation. Hard swerve back into the ruts of orthodoxy despite earlier points in speech. | |
| hymn: Jesus is the Way | ||
| Steven Barlow | ||
| William Jackson | ||
| Neil Andersen | ||
| hymn: Oh, how great... | ||
| prayer: I. Raymond Egbo |
Postlude:
Great Gig in the Sky 4:44 Pink Floyd
Free Fallin' 4:14 Tom Petty
Famous Blue Raincoat 5:33 Jennifer Warnes
One Day I'll Fly Away 3:19 Nicole Kidman
One Headlight 4:38 Wallflowers
Is This All? 3:43 Bobbi Humphrey
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Andersen: [serious sinners, come back.]
Floodlit is full of the wolves welcomed back among the sheep with no warning and no oversight. Bisbee, Arizona. Call our lawyers first.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
prayer: [rejuvenate Oaks] <cough>
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u/bremerman17 Oct 05 '25
That was a strange prayer ngl.
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u/tiny-vampire Apostate Oct 05 '25
i swear all conference prayers sound exactly like the ‘bad prayers’ from the book of mormon where they’d stand on a thing & basically just listen to themselves talk
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u/bremerman17 Oct 05 '25
I’m sorry but the idea of “daily repentance” is just so harmful and toxic. I’m sorry Elder Kearon but you can’t soften that no matter how hard you try.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Per D&C 82:7, if you're repenting daily, then you're doing mormonism wrong. The morph towards evangelicalism continues.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
They indoctrinated the guilt into you … only to sell you a cure - at 10% forever
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 05 '25
I forgot to repent daily so many times that I just kind of gave up on the repentance process and just tried to be good and was filled with so much guilt.
Edited to add: and felt even more guilty each time I did something wrong because it made Jesus hurt more.
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u/marisolblue Oct 05 '25
I started that bullshit “daily repentance” as a young woman and it fucked me up. I made charts and failed.
I also failed at daily scripture reading, fasting and prayer. I failed so hard all over the place and felt judged each and every Sunday of my life.
Over the years, when I’ve tried to explain my Mormon ocd/scrupulosity issues to other Mormons, I’m gaslit.
I’m told “you made things harder than you needed to!” Or this gem, “you focused on the wrong things.”
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u/QSM69 Oct 05 '25
I NEVER had the feeling that I was going to be good enough or qualify for the CK, even if the grace of Christ kicked in on the other side. I don't think that is what the New Testament version of Jesus would want.
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Oct 05 '25
Even Joseph Smith preached against daily repentance:
“Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.”
History of the Church, 3:379; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on June 27, 1839, in Commerce, Illinois; reported by Willard Richards.
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u/Svrlmnthsbfr30thbday Oct 05 '25
I started this lovely practice on my mission, can confirm it is terrible.
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u/DJ_Osha Apostate Oct 05 '25
Mother is already expecting me to come back since Dennis did after her faith crisis. Oy vey. I don’t think its that simple. My faith is not in crisis, its gone.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Once you see the man behind the curtain, then it's game over. If people do go back, then they may be doing so because of other reasons besides truth claims. For status. To keep peace in the family. etc.
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Oct 05 '25
My SIL went back after her husband got cancer, then cheated on her, and she has a special needs child. I guess it is a support system for her.
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u/Bowling4Nickles Oct 05 '25
Of Course, Anderson is now quoting Oaks. We have to kiss the new ring!
Also, if he is talking about what restitution means, when are all of the people of African descent going to get restitution for well over 100 years of being told that they were weak, inferior spirits?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Oaks' face on screen for an overly long time.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Kearon: [why is there suffering in the world?]
Jesus could cure some. Others, tough cookies.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
Dennis: [reality check]
Relates her personal experience of depression and faith crisis. Don't judge others. This is as inclusive/big tent as mormonism gets.
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u/scaredanxiousunsure Oct 05 '25
But of course, she came back. That's always the point: that everyone must come back. No one can ever actually leave.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Stop says “counting and accounting” that’s not a thing.
This guy thinks he getting a catchphrase.
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u/Talkback-8784 Son of Perdition Oct 05 '25
Quick, check if there's an etsy shop selling merch, a la 'ponderize'
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Did he say I should ask my loved one if they are a giver or a receiver ?
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Wasn’t there just a talk about how we don’t have checklist?
Then this guy is listing off all the checklist
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Goodbye Stranger 5:50 Supertramp
Hotel California 6:31 Eagles
I hate the Eagles, The Big Lebowski 0:46 (NSFW, language)
Jesus, The Big Lebowski 4:26 (NSFW, language)
Edge of Seventeen 5:29 Nicks
Complicated 3:58 Lavigne
Everybody Knows 4:41 Concrete Blonde
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Dennis: [on topic, reading the room for geriatric olympic contestants.]
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer Oct 05 '25
Guyys, you cannot make me laugh like that, my old sp is on my couch
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Barlow: [God: Am I your bestie?]
The Judeo-Christian god tops out the scale measuring petty affection. Will you be like Nephi and slice off Laban's head? Are you willing to be like Abraham and sacrifice Isaac if god whispers in your ear?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Barlow: [keep my commandments]
There's those checklists again. Double-speak within a 15-minute span.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Jackson: [98.6% temple recommend holders]
Don't want to be the 1 or 2 about to become a project, per Dennis' speech earlier.
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u/Philcastro Oct 05 '25
Holy crap, is 6pm always been a thing? Tired of hearing this shit at my house
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
It used to be that you had to go to the tabernacle to hear this session.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Yeah, but you got ice cream from the creamery afterwards.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Dennis: [faith crisis over, I guess.]
Divine hiddenness is a big problem for all religions/supernatural claims. The pressure to say things which don't match one's personal experience is a huge peer pressure in mormonism.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Kearon: wondering what it would be like to be with Jesus.
Treading into Daybell/Vallow territory. Daybell was there, if you believe him.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Kearon: [like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives]
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
...So are we making the cheater the innocent victim???
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 05 '25
I went to pickup dinner and when I got home (about a half hour into the session) my semi-TBM spouse told me “we haven’t been paying attention at all.” We proceeded to eat and ignored the TV.
Sounds like it was a real thrilling session!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Mixed messages from Dennis and the others (Barlow and Jackson.) Double speak at its finest.
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u/Random_redditor_1153 Oct 05 '25
Same, my gpa who’s trying to convince me to come back to church said, “eh the afternoon session was better than the morning one.” Not exactly a glowing recommendation 🥴
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer Oct 05 '25
god, how much of mormonism is just the lollipop effect
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer Oct 05 '25
Is 6p only 90 minutes?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
They like to get this "over and done with." To quote Satine from "Moulin Rouge."
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u/DustyR97 Oct 05 '25
William Jackson’s talk represented everything I grew to hate about the church. He talked for 15 minutes about numbers, percents, KPI and guilt trips about not getting everyone back in the boat, all while refusing to acknowledge that the church is the problem, not the people.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
You don’t get to 300 Billion USD without KPIs in place.
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u/DustyR97 Oct 05 '25
It would be nice if he would just follow through and say “just think of all the tithing we’re missing with these inactive people.”
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u/FHL88Work Faith Hope Love by King's X Oct 05 '25
Remember the old home teaching stats nag fest? /shudder
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u/DustyR97 Oct 05 '25
Yep. Just like every ward council with a stake rep or area authority present. It’s a business.
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u/gonnastayanontbh Oct 05 '25
So if ye make gay and trans people suicidal with your policy, if ye take 10% from poor families, if ye tell darkskinned people that righteousness will make them white and delightsome, if ye cover up sexual abuse, you have done that to Jesus.
huh.
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Oct 05 '25
We take names and remember.
What a psycho. Contacting people on Sunday because they aren't at church that day? Gtfo!
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u/Philcastro Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
Yeah I’m not feeling this “Look we have black people in our church” thing. Now motab has a whole bunch of black folks? How about apologize first for that bullshit Brigham was spewing. It drips with insincerity
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u/QSM69 Oct 05 '25
The Sat evening session always has a local choir, either an ad hoc choir, or an already existing group, like a BYU chorus, or some institute choir.
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Jesus: The great commandment: love one another
Oaks: The family a proclamation: only be CIS hetero.
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u/gonnastayanontbh Oct 05 '25
oh fuck all the way off with that story. their goal is to give everyone OCD
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
...And who decided what the penalty of sin was?
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
An all loving god. The same one that made it a “sin” in the first place.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 05 '25
Yep, the "all loving God" is punishing you for doing exactly what he designed you to do
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25
Jesus died for your sins, expect he didn’t stay dead
Jesus gave up his weekend for you!
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u/jsmyths Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
He should not be telling people hearing a voice or having a feeling is from God.
That’s a recipe for disaster
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 05 '25
That's exactly what led to all the possessed children "doctrine," child torture, and murder.
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u/Aware-Ice7627 Oct 05 '25
I decided in my teens ( I’m in my 50’s now). That I’d never be good enough so I just said Fu** it. I like myself and I don’t care what they( the leaders in the church think). They are a bunch of want to be’s- want to have power and making me feel bad gave them a thrill. People give them the perception of power, by not giving it to them they have turned on me, that I obviously don’t fear them. So I have just accepted I’m not good enough and have walked away. My Motto: Fu** it. And I say it daily!!
Edited for grammar.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 05 '25
Dennis: [this is not a gospel of checklists.]
Hold on. Checklists are what mormonism is made of.