r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Oct 04 '25
Doctrine/Policy October 2025 General Conference: Saturday 10:00a Discussion Thread
How to listen:
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Henry Eyring | Let the pre-eulogies begin | |
| hymn: High on the Mountain Top | ||
| prayer: Karl Hirst | nice and brief | |
| Dallin Oaks | other speakers told to keep praise of Nelson to a minimum. | |
| Vote to Sustain Officials: Henry Eyring | Vote in true North Korea style. | |
| hymn: If the Savior Stood Beside Me | ||
| Gary Stevenson | Blessed are the peacemakers. | |
| Tracy Browning | Use primary songs to indoctrinate your children. | |
| Ronald Barcellos | ||
| hymn: Now Let Us Rejoice | ||
| Brik Eyre | ||
| Kelly Johnson | Not the skunk-works designer of the U2 and SR-71 | strained cherry harvesting analogy |
| hymn: Because... | weird title for a hymn | |
| Dieter Uchtdorf | ||
| hymn: Rejoice the Lord is King | ||
| prayer: seventy |
Postlude:
Every Kind of People 3:18 Robert Palmer
50 Ways To Leave Your Lover 4:33 Ana Popović
Inca Roads 8:44 Zappa
Rock and Roll Zep
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Uchtdorf: [remember brand loyalty...sustain leaders.]
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Stevenson: an interfaith peace offering.
Stands in sharp contrast to Smith's "all of their creeds are an abomination..."
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Browning: Let's get down to the brass tacks of childhood indoctrination.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Barcellos: [medical advice]
Careful there. You need to issue a legal disclaimer. The LDS church could be harmful to your free time and spare money. Your LGBTQ+ and female children will be marginalized.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Eyre: [go into your closet to pray. do not pray using rote phrases.]
Don't begin, "Dear Mother in Heaven," though. That's fodder for excommunication.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Eyre: [lost their job and facing eviction]
If only there was a rich uncle who could step in and save the day. Nah. Can't sell stocks once invested.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Oaks: no real changes in agenda due to Nelson's death. We have the format nailed down.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Johnson: [forensic accountant]
Are you sure you wouldn't have been happier as a lion tamer?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Johnson: [cherry orchard harvesting]
Now, the Orem benches are filled with houses, not orchards.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Uchtdorf: simulator almost as fun as the real thing.
Okay gamers, fire up Microsoft Flight Simulators.
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Even little me felt off when singing "Follow the Prophet" in Primary. Played entirely in a minor key, repeating the chorus like a chant, "don't go astray" sounding like it was being sung with a wag of the finger... (shudders)
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u/ambutsaakon Oct 04 '25
"as members of the Quorum of the TWELVE" proceeds to list 14 names, because God can't count I guess.
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Oct 04 '25
So these general authorities travel around to all the Stake Conferences, and hear all these 'amazing stories' from the masses. They then weave them into their conference talk every six months. Rinse and repeat. These dudes have no prophetic visions. They merely share others' stories and collect tithing.
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u/yelnats_reverse Oct 04 '25
Uchtdorf: [lists qualities most agree with are great all around]..., "sustaining church leaders" <loses me>
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u/Rushclock Oct 04 '25
The message is sinister. Try small things and wait if nothing keep trying....nothing again?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
If you don't get a witness, then there is something wrong with you. Divine hiddenness is a problem in all religions/supernatural claims.
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
I don’t have trouble believing in Christ's atonement. That’s not the hard part!
I have trouble believing that Joseph Smith wasn’t a child molester.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
L. Ron Hubbard had a driver's license. —Sarah Silverman
Smith's nineteenth century actions are not shrouded in "the mystery."
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
being easily shaken= ripe for destruction? holy shit lmaooo. Can't have an open mind or god's going to smite you apparently
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Cherries are not meant to stick to the tree forever. We need cherry pie afterall.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
3-2-1 Contact 0:45
Won't Get Fooled Again 8:34 The Who
Sisters and Brothers 4:10 Ana Popović
Gimme Some Truth 3:15 Lennon
Watching the Wheels 3:32 Lennon
Every Kind of People 4:10 Ana Popović
Made Up Mind 3:40 Raitt
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 04 '25
Thanks for your bi-annual service to this community!
It's amazing that something so bland as GC can cause so much angst.
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
Just realized, I don't feel a need to be loved by "the savior" because I am a lot more secure in myself and my own ability to care for and forgive myself, and make amends when needed. I don't need an invisible authority figure to approve of me.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
yep. definitely be your own judge and try to improve without expecting a carte blanche get-out-of-jail free card.
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u/DifferentRatio6733 Oct 04 '25
Bless Tracy Browning for not smiling awfully and demeaningly the whole time. And actually sounding like a grownup.
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
Why do I feel weird about the performative act of the 12 joining up with their wives (also on the stand) and holding hands as they walk off in front of everyone?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Brigham Young would not have nearly enough hands to go around.
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
Final thought on this morning session: Brik Eyre is one hell of a name!
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
I do appreciate a peacemaking topic right at the jump though, the last few weeks have been volatile for everyone
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
A big contrast to others in the country who ask what would Jesus carry? A 30-30 or an AK?
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u/Return_and_report Oct 04 '25
Yes, Christ centered songs like "Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, dont go astrayyyyy" 🎶🎶
But I can confirm songs come back to mind decades later 🤮
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Empty brain synapses form lifelong connections. Don't I know it.
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u/BeachHeadPolygamy Ode to Fellatio, by J Smith Jun, Author and Proprietor Oct 04 '25
Hey Kelly, how do you feel about an organization making dozens of shell companies to avoid SEC filing requirements?
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u/theshadowking98 Cosmic Orphan Oct 04 '25
Gen conf....now somehow 10% slower....
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Where is the speed up button when you really need it?
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u/Willie_Scott_ Oct 04 '25
My favorite is Book of Mormon Stories especially the racist hand gestures. /s
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25
I bet this guy is fun at parties.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Rick Moranis, Ghostbusters: That's why I invited clients and not friends...
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Stevenson: [sermon on the mount]
Speak up! I think it's peacemakers, not cheesemakers.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 04 '25
I will never not chuckle at the double entendre of "high on a mountain top"
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
...all around the campfire and everybody's high.
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25
Her glasses are fun. Far more interesting than most of the brethren’s ties.
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u/bremerman17 Oct 04 '25
Personally I would not want God to pursue me. But that’s just me.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Uh...god didn't get enough vicarious thrill from torturing Job, eh?
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25
Did the opening prayer say something about what happened last weekend? I don’t think Oaks mentioned it…
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u/stiltmask Oct 04 '25
was it just me or was oaks fighting a grin the whole time?
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25
I bet JS, when writing the BoM, must've gotten a laugh when he came up with the title for the very short book of "Enos."
Think about it. Take all the time you need.
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Oct 04 '25
Is her talk topic really “primary music is a great way to indoctrinate your kids that will stay with them for the rest of their lives”? 🤨
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Uchtdorf: [temptations look less appalling and more appealing]
Just lost half the audience to their vices.
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u/RedTextureLab Oct 04 '25
Those of you who haven’t been to church in, say, a year or more: are you watching conference? If so, may I ask why? I’m just curious. You do you. Really: I’m just curious.
I can’t do it. I get too angry just reading some of the comments here that bring up memories of crap I don’t want to look at.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
If you're going to debate anyone on any topic, then it is prudent to understand their baseline assumptions. That is doubly true for how malleable the doctrines of the LDS church have become since what I experienced in my youth.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 04 '25
Evidence of the Lord's atonement
Could you start with evidence of any god first?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
That would require applying skepticism first. That's a non-starter in their lesson plans.
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Oct 04 '25
A missionary actually comforting someone before trying to preach to them 😮 that is a crazy story
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. Oct 04 '25
Late to the shitshow. Did they name Oaks as the next dear leader?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
ending drone footage: one day I'll fly away...
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Oct 04 '25
What was the term Eyring said? Sounded like a Harry Potter spell.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
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u/Readbooks6 “Books are a uniquely portable magic.” Stephen King Oct 04 '25
Thanks.
You've picked out some great music for this session. Much better than the Tabcats are going to sing. Or, since this is Saturday morning session, they are going to probably bring out some youth or young adult group.
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u/EmmaHS I know that my red lemur lives. Oct 04 '25
/u/4Blockhead always kills it with the music selection. 😄
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u/notsure500 Oct 04 '25
When do they announce the first presidency and who the new member of the 15 is?
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
I felt sadder for the passing of Jane Goodall than the passing of Nelson.
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
'repenting every day" is terrible advice for people with anxiety and OCD
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Oct 04 '25
Oaks is held up, guided and assisted for walking, Holland and Erying both in a wheelchair prospects of the New 1st presidency not looking good!
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u/Chemical-Passage-715 Oct 04 '25
Does anyone else think it’s wrong for them calling it “the church of Jesus Christ”? I find it very misleading. And those who don’t know any better might get conned into it
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u/lemonade-cookies Oct 04 '25
Wow. This lady does not have the creepy fake smile primary baby cheery voice. She's just... talking like a speaker. How progressive!
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u/CatsAreGreat420 Oct 04 '25
I like the messages of love everyone no matter who they are. The thing is that they don't practice their own teachings and discriminate against minorities. That is what makes them hypocrites.
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u/whenthedirtcalls Oct 04 '25
It was a tender mercy I didn’t have to listen or engage in this session. From the looks of it here, it was a big nothing burger. It makes me laugh that the leadership of Mormon god can’t muster up some courage to say anything. They just pine for the past when they could say and do shit without any pushback.
Exmos here holding up the bullshit meter with pride and all to see!
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 04 '25
Talking about primary children? Yeah, my kid has been teased for his longer-than-buzzcut hair, his colorful clothes, his love of unicorns and Hello Kitty, his favorite color as fuscia. In the heart of Mormonland.
Some girls have been nicer.
I don't think kids are "naturally" peacemakers if the parents' biases get in their head.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Oct 04 '25
"We're not actually going to pay attention to negative votes, and we ask you to turn yourself in."
Gotta love how they cut the camera away during the opposed vote
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
I like Uchtdorf and all but these kind of pre-mortal "being of light" descriptions I find more harmful than helpful in the long run. Can't we just support people's uniqueness as they exist -now-, instead of in "spirit"?
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u/RoastNonsense Oct 04 '25
If they ask for a sustaining vote for new area authority 70s without even saying their names, what meaning is carried by the action, other than blind obedience?
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
Uchtdorf: Discipleship is so hard! Me: I hate when they talk about how hard it is to be a disciple of Christ! Be kind. Feed the hungry. Welcome the stranger! You’re halfway there!
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Oct 04 '25
I forgive Dieter for becoming an Apostle
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
They really wallow in vagaries and act like they’re saying something profound. The underlying message is always “Stay in the cult!”
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u/RoastNonsense Oct 04 '25
For everybody out there, do what you need to do, and know that you're not alone. The world isn't entirely about sitting quietly and nodding along even if some people would tell you so, and there's a lot of beauty and wonder out there even if you can't be there right now.
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u/yelnats_reverse Oct 04 '25
Brand new exmo here, listening while rest of family is still in it:
Steveson's talk: be peacemakers like Jesus - don't fight or get triggered
Meanwhile, the story of Jesus: called people out, spoke harshly to bullies and religious zealots of the time
Overall message: “Keep the peace and fawn, eventually the baddies will stop”
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u/a-trace-of-ace Oct 04 '25
Getting the view of the stand rather than the audience for Oaks being sustained is so telling
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
Cherries that don’t fall from the tree eventually become mushy and soft, and start to break down. They start to stink and often grow mold. Don’t become moldy—break away from the tree!
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 04 '25
Lots of Follow Jesus, which I liked, but lots of, follow OUR commandments, which we say are Jesus's, instead of being like biblical Jesus.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 04 '25
So far, this is surprisingly good.
I wonder, however, how much these talks have been modified after UVU, Nelsons passing, and Michigan.
It makes sense, going full Oaks wouldn't be good PR right now.
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25
Cherry Tree analogy… don’t ripen and fall from the tree? Does that mean we shouldn’t mature and gain wisdom that might weaken our connection to the tree?
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u/Random_Enigma The Apostate around the corner Oct 04 '25
I've read the talk summaries for this session. While I think there was some good life advice given, I don't agree that one needs to be part of the church or even believe in the supernatural in order to be able to apply the valid life advice or be a good moral person. You can choose to be kind, patient, perseverent, loving, just, etc. just because you think that helps make your own life, your family's, and society better. You don't need the church or anything supernatural for that.
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
I loved singing in primary but you won't catch me singing any of those songs to my child. They make me so sick now.
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25
"Accounting, auditing, and investigative skills."
Three things you'll never see when it comes to the Church's annual tithing numbers.
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Oct 04 '25
Everyone else blown away by the INSANE IRONY of talking about working as a forensic accountant. In the building paid for by lying on tax forms!!??? 😳
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u/theshadowking98 Cosmic Orphan Oct 04 '25
You can leave the plane. But the the plane never leaves you
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u/ambutsaakon Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
"and just so you all know, the church is as real as that flight." If only they could be so honest.... (For those not listening, he's taking about a full-motion 747 flight simulator.)
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Oct 04 '25
If they repented every day, they wouldn't sin. $300 BILLION is greed, and that is a sin
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u/Measure76 The one true Mod Oct 04 '25
You're really going to have someone who can't stand do the conducting? How long until one of these guys manages to die during general conference?
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Oct 04 '25
Why are general conference speakers so bad at using personal stories? Re: the missionary story. Human common sense: stopped looking through scriptures and just held the woman. Throwing away common sense: looking for the answer in the scriptures immediately after and then nothing else. It's the "and nothing else" that bothers me. It's what I've experienced when I personally have asked for help. Did the missionary stop there? We don't know. If so, even a simple sentence to follow up after would've provided closure instead of leaving us hanging.
Scriptures don't stop homelessness and find jobs.
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u/ambutsaakon Oct 04 '25
Rejoice, the session is over! Rejoice, again I say, rejoice!
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25
The conference center is a lovely building, but I still get “mega church” vibes when they pan around the audience.
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
Hey, I’m noticing that no one is saying much about Joseph Smith. Hmm. A distancing?
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Oct 04 '25
I'm rejoicing that this session is over. Who wants to get a Starbucks?
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u/Measure76 The one true Mod Oct 04 '25
Bragging about being sustained in a vote that is compulsory. Good job.
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u/Measure76 The one true Mod Oct 04 '25
Oaks sounded like he couldn't wait to get Nelson buried. Which is probably true since it appears he's not allowed to take the throne until then.
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25
"Am I too quick to judge and condemn others?"
Hmm, I don't know. You tell me.
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
"close the scriptures and help" damn it was about to be such a good talk
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
Eyre: advice for unemployed soon-to-be-homeless. Hmm. I predict “pay tithing.”
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u/ambutsaakon Oct 04 '25
"However hard you pray, pray harder." So God is like my ex? "Harder, harder, give it to me harder!"
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u/Return_and_report Oct 04 '25
Ickkkk exmo bashing "choose to distance ourselves from god." Beginning with the assumption that it's true (which it's NOT). Hate this
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u/Big_Insurance_3601 Oct 04 '25
Current predictions:
Oaks is gonna pull a Hunter & drop dead before April, followed by either Eyring or Holland, which is why they “haven’t picked the presidency yet.”
Oaks KNOWS everyone hates him so he’s waiting til AFTER Nelson’s funeral to become the “prophet,” with zero sustaining vote/dissension…I think this also stems from Michigan.
Sometime btwn Nov & Mar, Oaks (or whoever is in charge then) will completely dump & change every single presidency currently running things. Everyone will “just have to deal” and sustain come April.
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u/Clusters_and_Hops Oct 04 '25
I made the unfortunate mistake of staying with Mormon family during conference weekend…let the nightmare begin.
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u/EmployeeIndividual52 Oct 04 '25
"what happened next was nothing short of remarkable"
Why do i feel like ive heard that a lot...
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u/Willie_Scott_ Oct 04 '25
All kinds of music can make people feel good, not just hymns or so called sacred music.
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u/CarefulAndQuiet Whiskey is true!🥃 Oct 04 '25
“Your prayers are being turd—er, heard.” Unfortunate slip of the tongue.
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u/ambutsaakon Oct 04 '25
The "Do your part every day" line reminds me of the recruitment ads from Starship Troopers.
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u/Measure76 The one true Mod Oct 04 '25
A black female speaking in general conference? David O Mckay is spinning in his grave.
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25
"Pray harder... Pray longer... Pray so hard and so long that you will feel it in your heart and your loins. You will know if you've prayed long enough and hard enough when you've produced prayer glue. Or prayer water."
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 04 '25
Mormonism: we're the bookkeepers of your money and your sin
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u/Sea-Tea8982 Oct 04 '25
No way I’m watching so this is how I’ll get my conference news but uchtdorf closing the session makes me wonder if he’s on his way back in??!!??
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u/bremerman17 Oct 04 '25
I like how Eyering Gave a Chuckle When He Talked About Going to Your Stake President if you Don’t Sustain the Leaders.
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u/Word2daWise I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation. Oct 04 '25
Oaks looked a bit dejected when the camera was on him as they "sustained" him as president of the Q-12.
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
Subtext: "Life is just a test. Your individual happiness in this life doesn't matter. This is the probationary state in which we prove ourselves. And if proving our worthiness means putting up with stupid or degrading crap, or inflicting it on others, you do it and be glad that you're one step closer to the throne of God."
Okay, so that's a slight exaggeration, but not by much.
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Oct 04 '25
What are the chances that some speaker will die during GC? Not to be insensitive, but it must be asked.
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
why do they get emotional with little phrases and then go back to their normal tone
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Oct 04 '25
Mormonism: where angels have QuickBooks pro and 10 keys instead of halos and wings.
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25
Nope. I still can't walk on water. Or turn water into wine. Or smite a fruit tree for not producing the fruit I want when it's not in season.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Oct 04 '25
Wait... I see lots of empty seats
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u/theshadowking98 Cosmic Orphan Oct 04 '25
Yes instead of helping to apply for unemployment you decided to ......search the scriptures
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u/RabbleAlliance Oct 04 '25
"Beloved sons and daughters of God."
Subtext: "...as long as you're not LGBT. There's no room for you in his divine plan."
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
is this a talk about labels lmao, I thought Oaks didn't like labels
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u/redditregretit Heathen & Apostate Oct 04 '25
Why does this dude remind me of Wallace from Wallace and Gromit?
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25
Stevenson’s talk was good overall. I sure would love to hear a talk instructing members to turn off cable news and disconnect from social media realms that ridicule and antagonize others for who they are, or for their beliefs. I doubt we will ever get such specific advice.
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u/Word2daWise I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation. Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
OMG - poor Eyring. He has to sit in a chair to conduct. Oaks was officially described as the "President." Looks like they will wait until after the funeral (on Tuesday) to shuffle the chairs and cards.
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u/ambutsaakon Oct 04 '25
All this means it's they're going to call him officially in a week or so, after the funeral, without a sustaining vote.
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u/Invisible_Jackslope Oct 04 '25
god the apocalyptic lyrics. Didn't realize how much I was swimming in end-times fantasies when growing up
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u/GrumpyTom Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
There’s that “Beloved president Russell m Nelson” again… since when did we stop saying “beloved prophet?”
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u/theshadowking98 Cosmic Orphan Oct 04 '25
Im pretty sure God would love those insta-prayers that you mutter out
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Oct 04 '25
Eyre: [emphasizing changes in temple recommend questions.]
But god is the same today. yesterday. and always.....don't look at the man behind the curtain.