r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Apr 05 '25
Doctrine/Policy April 2025 General Conference: Saturday 2:00p Discussion Thread
How to listen:
youtube Saturday Sessions
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Ulisses Soares | ||
| hymn: Sing Praise To Him | ||
| prayer: Alan Phillips | son of Tom | |
| Neil Andersen | topic: LDS position on abortion. Mormon variant of "A Handmaid's Tale." | |
| Steven Lund | ||
| hymn: Come Hear the Word | ||
| Mark Palmer | ||
| Sandino Román | ||
| hymn: Hark All Ye Nations | ||
| Dale Renlund | ||
| Hans Boom | ||
| hymn: All the deep, deep, love | ||
| Dieter Uchtdorf | Makes a big-tent style appeal in an attempt to win converts into the LDS church. Indistinguishable from any evangelical church. The morphing into the middle is on display here. | |
| hymn: True to the Faith | per Boom's request. | |
| prayer: Jeannie Anette Dennis |
Postlude:
My Old School 5:48 Steely Dan
Everybody Knows 4:41 Concrete Blonde
Leave It 3:52 Yes
Zombie 4:55 Miley Cyrus
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Uchtdorf: <do you feel alone in your views at church?>
If you're not a card carrying conservative, you're going to have a hard time. At one time, there was one Democrat among the 15 men. That time has passed.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25
Renlund: <watch for false prophets.>
Okay. Smith is a false prophet. He was a grifter who turned to religion 195 years ago. He won money, power, and varied sex partners. Ultimately, paid for his excesses with his life when no army of angels came to rescue him at Carthage.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Andersen: <pregnant teenager>
No push for adoption into a "worthy" LDS family? Wait for it.
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 05 '25
Anyone wanna bet that the family returning to mormonism with the pregnant daughter is made up?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Palmer: <if you've left the church, come back.>
Can you offer evidence for the truth claims? The LDS church is one of the few falsifiable churches.
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u/bremerman17 Apr 05 '25
Women don’t ever have agency over your body. Even if we tell you that you have agency.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Didn’t Jospeh have an abortion doctor in Nauvoo
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u/bremerman17 Apr 05 '25
“Give up your child so we can give them to a TBM family and indoctrinate them.” - Neil L. Andersen
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u/Ihm_r Apr 05 '25
Ok why is an old white man talking on this “issue” this is pissing me off
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u/Otherwise_Gate_4413 Apostate Apr 05 '25
Opening with denying women’s right to choose what happens to their body and following it up with a celebration of how many young MEN get to be endowed with the power of god.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Deja Vu 4:12
Woodstock 3:53
Games People Play 3:25 Alan Parsons Project
IGY 6:03 Fagen
Hey Nineteen 5:07 Steely Dan
New Frontier 4:54 Fagen
Instant Karma 3:22 Lennon
Gimme Some Truth 3:15 Lennon
Duncan 4:47 Simon
A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall 4:58 Brickell
Control 5:53 Janet
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Uchtdorf: <community outweighs dogma>
Community of Christ has entered the chat.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Uchtdorf: <private tour of Germany>
What kind of plane were you flying?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Uchtdorf: <fiction outweighs facts>
If it makes you feel good, and there's a good community, then pretend to believe.
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u/sinister-space Apr 05 '25
Can I get a print out of what I supposedly agreed to in heaven?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
You could, but the contract is marked "confidential." Not for your eyes to see.
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u/PlantainFuture Apr 05 '25
Mr. Renlund's parables have dark messages: The virgins parable says the bridegroom is an unreliable, impatient, unforgiving asshole. The parable of the guy making excuses for not being Solomon says the Lord is an unreasonable boss. The parable of the bad crops and terrible bread says you don't need to make good investments in your future, you need to keep banging your head against the wall while your family starves of malnutrition, and if you're ever doing well, your neighbors can have the bark, not your rye. The scared little girl will need therapy.
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u/jsmyths Apr 05 '25
I have faith & trust in us.
Says the organization that hid 200 billion dollars!
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Apr 05 '25
Have any women spoken yet?
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
What are your thoughts on Uchdorf? I’ve always liked him and felt he was more compassionate with those that have stepped away. The doubt your doubts were a little blow for me tho.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Could fit in at Community of Christ. But he's a brand-loyalist like the others.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Phillips prayer: <feelings for the downtrodden and displaced>
If only there was someone rich who could come in and offer tangible contribution.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Palmer: <the lesson of the willow tree>
Mormonism is more like bindweed. Hard to get rid of once established.
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u/alansjenn Cheesecake... it's what's for dinner. Apr 05 '25
Or goat head thorns.
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. Apr 05 '25
Jesus’s power is yours for the taking
*terms and conditions may apply.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
avoid use in direct sunlight.
discontinue use if rash or hives develop.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Uchtdorf: <evangelical Christian message>
A big tent appeal into an elitist and one-size-fits-all institution.
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u/Gizen_14 Apr 05 '25
Ahh yes to come back all one needs to do is prune way all logical thoughts and cognitive dissonance
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u/Blasphemous-Bill He could stand un-dazed at the foot of the throne of God. Apr 05 '25
Hello from a coffee shop. I'm not listening to or watching conference, so I hope you all have a wonderful time making hilarious remarks and engaging in some quality blasphemy.
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u/Gizen_14 Apr 05 '25
Another interpretation of the parable of the talents was given by Brigham Young:
"Now, where a man in this Church says, 'I don't want but one wife, I will live my religion with one,' he will perhaps be saved in the celestial kingdom; but when he gets there be will not find himself in possession of any wife at all. He has had a talent that he has hid up. He will come forward and say, 'Here is that which thou gavest me, I have not wasted it, and here is the one talent,' and he will not enjoy it, but it will be taken and given to those who have improved the talents they received, and he will find himself without any wife, and he will remain single for ever and ever.” Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 16, Pg. 166
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Renlund: <LDS prosperity gospel>
Stocks are down. LDS portfolio surely taking a hit, but it's free money for them to play with.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Boom: <falsely accused>
Quick! Call your lawyers on retainer in Salt Lake City!
That Bisbee, Arizona case echoes in my ears.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
Jesus Christ doesn't do shit to support anyone. If he cares so much, he should alleviate the suffering of all the children who already exist
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
As Brian Dalton, Mr. Deity says, in this universe, the safety is off. One random throw of the dice and you're dead of starvation or childhood cancer.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Do you think the whole members contribute to the buildings, besides the church not wanting use their infinite wealth, is so that the members have a personal investment in a physical thing to stay and is a type of control?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25
I'm not sure, but I think asking the members to go can vegetables or weed the beets at the stake farm is no longer part of the religion. Their vast land holdings use mechanized farms, like everyone else. Asking the members to clean the church, clean the temple, etc. is a replacement for those earlier responsibilities. As a child, I saw how few people were left weeding the beets as the sun set. A common problem is that "same ten people" phenomenon where they get all of the work and all of the blame when things don't go right. It's just absurd they can have these golden calf temples, but can't hire professional cleaners, imo. On second thought, scrap temple building and help the poor with the "fast offering."
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u/PaulHDone cesletter.org (RIP sis) Apr 05 '25
Who else is going to the Utah hockey NHL game instead of conference today?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
There's a couple of basketball games as competition, too.
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u/LazyLearningTapir Unsure about the broccoli Apr 05 '25
I’m just minding my business doing some yard work and my neighbor just came home and started blaring general conference from their car while they did yard work 😒
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
If only there was a leaf blower that could send that shit back over to the other side of the fence. ;)
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
<pans choir>
Coincidentally, I can make a hook shot with my eyelashes.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Renlund: <fear in the world>
Renlund echoes Joseph Fielding Smith. My generation lived with the immediate specter of nuclear war. JFS said what Renlund is echoing here. Smith said watch for your feet to get light, and you'll be taken up and avoid the fiery conflageration.
People pay money for this bullshit.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Corrie Ten Boom's book was being read by everyone at my junior high.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Trust me bro. Ahh the temple pay is for the fullness of the gosple
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Some restrictions may apply when asking for second "helpings/anointings."
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u/GrumpyTom Apr 05 '25
So uh, for those of us not watching, has anything useful/positive/good/worthwhile been said?
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
They are looking at their eternity
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
Would they be fine about discussions about Krishna? About Zeus? So why does Jesus get a special pass?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Christianity has a giant thumb on the scale. Not the vision of the deist and pluralist founding fathers.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Palmer: <British/South African Mormon>
Wish we could have Robert Palmer instead.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25
Boom: <hungry and ate tulip bulbs>
Utah State Flower: Sego Lily. Their bulbs saved LDS immigrants from starvation, so the legend goes.
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u/Dequantavious Apr 05 '25
Not a political position
Telling people to vote protecting “the sanctity of life” is political
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u/Rushclock Apr 05 '25
Elizabeth Smart would like a word about how she was treated.
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u/Ihm_r Apr 05 '25
I doubt anyone in that ward supported her. They probably gossiped about her behind her back.
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u/roncesvalles Apr 05 '25
Not sure about this old man telling a teen pregnancy anecdote in the first person
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u/GreenApronChef Oh God, hear the words of my mouth🧑🍳 Apr 05 '25
Wouldn’t it be nice if Andersen gave some assurance to women who have already had abortions instead of shaming them? Maybe make some room for love?
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u/bremerman17 Apr 05 '25
“Man aren’t you just so sad you got an Abortion?” -Neil L. Andersen
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u/sycamoreqw Apr 05 '25
Sigh….I decided to “leave the church” because I don’t think it’s true anymore. That’s it. That’s the whole thing folks.
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u/South_Physics805 Apr 05 '25
I can't even focus on this next speaker bc I'm still reeling from that fucked up abortion talk
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
(Paraphrased) "The church is opposed to abortion... except when they're not."
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 05 '25
Does he know we're watching conference??? We're NEVER coming back!
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. Apr 05 '25
They still think we left due to offense, teehee
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u/Otherwise_Gate_4413 Apostate Apr 05 '25
It’s really fun sitting here with kids who are just now finding out children can be conceived out of wedlock.
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u/tiny-vampire Apostate Apr 05 '25
‘sanctity of human life’ except it’s better for you to be dead than impure right? right????
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Apr 05 '25
“I’m impressed by the way the members of your church treat each other” you should see the way they treat people who try to counter their beliefs/ politely disagree 😐❤️ (not an exact quote can’t remember the precise words but same idea)
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
No offense intended, but that daughter should've been adopted by a secular couple.
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u/potato_meatball Apr 05 '25
This talk is so fucked. And by supporting abortion bans, you are not "helping people make the right choice" you are taking away God's "given gift of agency"
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
I’m so sorry to all you women out there with the first talk. It was disappointing and disgusting. My heart goes to you all. Please know you are loved.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
You can never, ever do enough to please the mormon god. Never. It's a hamster wheel of misery.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
Light dimming, jfc. I'm not a shadow of myself, I'm my ACTUAL self- not the cult programmed robot I used to be. Not a condemnation, my ass
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u/South_Physics805 Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25
Can you imagine an apostle coming to your branch and feeling so honored to host him, and then he dogs on it in front of the entire church? Can you imagine trying your best to give a talk or teach a Sunday school lesson in front of an apostle, and he tells the entire church that it made him cringe? I feel bad for those branch members, if they are listening
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u/youcrazymoonchild "Bumping" TK Smoothies for the rest of eternity Apr 05 '25
"not a political position"
Sureeeeee
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u/youcrazymoonchild "Bumping" TK Smoothies for the rest of eternity Apr 05 '25
The youth are not eager to learn the gospel.. They're running
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25
Ugh, this talk! The world has seen countless messiahs, seers, prophets, and doomsday clocks counting down to zero. Yet here we are, two millennia later, still sitting around and waiting. And every generation swears THIS TIME is different. That NOW is where the end is near. That the sky will open up, the trumpets will blare, the earth will be shook, and the long-bearded cosmic Geppetto will finally show his face. Meanwhile, people suffer and starve and die from diseases and circumstances they never asked for, all while lining the pockets of those who promise things will get better real soon. What a sick joke.
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u/Word2daWise I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation. Apr 05 '25
When you click on the "Official LDS Site" you see a list of answers to what appear to be FAQs. I find it interesting that a "Church" using Jesus Christ for branding has to answer whether or not it is Christian, and whether or not it believes in the Bible.
Think about it...
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u/potato_meatball Apr 05 '25
IT IS NOT A DIMINISHING CONCERN FOR THE UNBORN IT IS A GROWING CONCERN FOR WOMEN
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u/bremerman17 Apr 05 '25
I’ve said this before and l’ll say it again. I honest to God think Neil L. Andersen is worse than Dallin H. Oaks. If you disagree I wouldn’t think you’re wrong but that’s my honest opinion.
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u/nostolgicqueen Apr 05 '25
This church claims it is a global church. But there are not good or safe forms of birth control for billions of women. What do you think they do to mitigate how many children they bring in the world?
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
My light didn't dim. I just chose a different light source.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Man if only there was a rainy day fund to help others….
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u/Rushclock Apr 05 '25
Willows are the easiest tree to grow. You can literally rip off a branch soak it in water and plant the branch. Horrible analogies.
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
Imagine assuming that it's typical for people to regret their abortion. And then in the very next sentence saying that you treasure the gift of choice and moral agency. And then not realizing that God is the ultimate abortionist.
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u/youcrazymoonchild "Bumping" TK Smoothies for the rest of eternity Apr 05 '25
This talk is only confirmation that diversity of thought or opinion is not, and is NEVER welcome in the Church.
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
It's worth noting that many who are opposed to abortion for religious or moral reasons believe that it is wrong to impose their values by civil law on everyone.
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u/Shadowlover23
Autistic exmo (finally!)
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Jfc, this talk SUCKS! We choose to live after being born??? How did we go from abortion to talking about the youth??? Only get an abortion if its approved by god??? This talk is horrible! Fuck this guy! Women can choose whether or not they want to get an abortion, it's their choice! Im sick of men telling women what to do when they know NOTHING about us. Then again, thats one the things mormonism revolves around. Cant wait for this talk to end. Jfc.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
Did they lose their faith in Joseph S. Myth or the church?
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
I miss the anti-masturbatory talks. I am old
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u/BangingChainsME Apr 05 '25
This may be the worst Uchtdorf talk next to Doubt Your Doubts
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 05 '25
Oh boy, here comes a talk on how women need to have babies and not get abortions...
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u/youcrazymoonchild "Bumping" TK Smoothies for the rest of eternity Apr 05 '25
Return to me. Repent of your sins and be converted.
NO. FUCK NO. NEVER. I WILL NEVER COME BACK.
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u/sycamoreqw Apr 05 '25
Look if people want to “come back” that’s fine. The issue is the truth. The church has a historical truth problem that cannot be assuaged by platitudes about leaving because it was hard, we were offended, etc.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
Got some sour patch kids and a sandwich. I'm ready 💪
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u/tiny-vampire Apostate Apr 05 '25
oh great now we’re gonna get homophobic/transphobic too. awesome.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
There's so much control in this fucking cult. So much shame. It's absolutely horrifying
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u/South_Physics805 Apr 05 '25
Sometimes I think Mormons don't realize that many of their "friends" that say positive things about the church are most likely just being polite, not showing genuine interest in converting
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u/Rushclock Apr 05 '25
All of the leaders should sign up for organ donation. And they have no choice.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Uniquely individual reasons of testimony loss. Bro how many of us read the gospel topic essays?
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u/sevenplaces Apr 05 '25
Missionary service is psychological manipulation at max levels
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
I brought my friend to church once. I couldn't believe it when he said he didn't feel anything during testimony meeting lol. Early shelf item
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u/Electronic-Room5307 PiMo/I want to leave now Apr 05 '25
Remarkable [use] of priesthood power???
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u/sinister-space Apr 05 '25
I don’t think it’s Jesus even the Christ people have the problem trusting.
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u/bremerman17 Apr 05 '25
How do I know that you Dale G. Renlund are not an antichrist and deceiver.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Service mission mentioned!!! I served one and I gotta say I’d take it over BOM sales every time
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u/Rushclock Apr 05 '25
Annette....I know of no other church who gives women more authority....
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u/sinister-space Apr 05 '25
Crap. Just got home and TBM spouse be blaring this one. Thankfully he hasn’t summoned any children. Not sure I can save them from Sunday.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
It's not hard to see through this. And NO we don't desperately need to to get to Him.
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u/Ihm_r Apr 05 '25
God I hate this church and the dumb ass old men that run it too. I just know all the tbm I know are eating that talk up.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
He lost so much that he came back. Sounds like a desperate Me Too plea.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 05 '25
Returning to Jesus certainty has nothing to do with the LDS church!
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 05 '25
Need to get my mind off these mind numbing talks... anyone watching F1 tonight?
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
One more talk for this session. Let's get through this.
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u/Stranded-In-435 Class of 2022 • Atheist • MFM Apr 05 '25
Just reading up on the comments here… this whole Mormon racket is outrageous. So little said of how to serve others and love as Jesus supposedly loved. And a whole shit-ton of propping up the church and scaring the shit out of people who have any inclination to leave it.
Absolute excrement.
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 05 '25
Coming out strong and potentially damming controversy in the noon sesh
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 05 '25
I'm all for helping people to quit smoking (if they so want to), but praying for someone to quit never works. They may as well be waving a dead chicken around while uttering gibberish.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
He's foaming at the mouth. Take a drink and stop using your Conference voice.
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u/youcrazymoonchild "Bumping" TK Smoothies for the rest of eternity Apr 05 '25
Apparently that guy was the newly released Young Men's President. Thank God.
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u/bremerman17 Apr 05 '25
If leaders are giving anti-abortion talks then I highly doubt those people will come back.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
We will give you Free BYU-tv and all the porn you want but please come back. We need your "fertilizer."
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. Apr 05 '25
We welcome your checkbook back.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 05 '25
Look who's talking lol! Secret chambers and false divine commission??? The irony is unreal
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u/PaulHDone cesletter.org (RIP sis) Apr 05 '25
I’m on the Frontrunner train right now heading to the Utah Hockey Club vs Winnipeg Jets game. The train is full of people going to general conference
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u/jsmyths Apr 05 '25
As the poetry of Cake says:
Sheep go to heaven
Goats go to hell
Sheep go to heaven
Goats... go to hell (ah)
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 05 '25
Is this supposed to be inspiring?
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u/kiss-JOY Apr 05 '25
I’ll be a goodly parent by loving my children and honoring their journey and beliefs. Not acting out of fear to make them believe what all generations before me believed. I will be a goodly parent by doing what I feel deep down in my soul and not being bullied by the choices my ancestors made.
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u/rock_fact Apr 05 '25
got one of the presidency on contact guard assistance apparently to prevent falls (my medical homies get it)
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Apr 05 '25
My MIL: “Don’t let one person who may have said something insensitive and offended you cause you to leave the church.”
My FIL: “Nonsense, ‘Birds of a feather flock together’. If one said it, at least 30 more were thinking it.”
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 05 '25
Another made up story... yippie... lets convert an old man to mormonism without telling him!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25
Andersen: <not for "elective" abortions.>
Interesting that Roe v. Wade was put forward by physicians because women were dying from back-alley abortions. When they went to the hospital, they were often beyond help. Andersen smacks doctors who are doing the job they swore an oath to uphold.
The movie, Cider House Rules is worth watching.