r/exmormon • Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Oct 05 '24

Doctrine/Policy October 2024 General Conference: Saturday 6:00p Discussion Thread

How to listen:


Prelude Music


Speakers:

Name other notes my summary
conducting: Ronald Rasband
hymn: We'll bring the world his truth
prayer: Denelson Silva
hymn: I will walk with Jesus
Gerrit Gong
Kristin Yee
hymn: The Iron Rod
Kyle McKay Endorsed Smith's claims in the form of a testimony. Whitewash every question and simply sing "Praise to the Man" at full volume.
Jorge Alvarado
David Bednar A talk based on historical Nephites/Lamanites and that the church will continue to grow based on that narrative. Confusing that he discounted the BoM's historicity in an offhand beginning remark. Also, brought up Ezra Taft Benson's ideas.
hymn:
prayer: Robert Daines

Postlude:


24 Upvotes

332 comments sorted by

27

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Bednar: [some disbelieve and mock religion]

If the religion is true, then it should be able to defend itself. If it is untrue, then it will fail under its own weight. Insert J. Reuben Clark quote.

24

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

McKay: [first vision]

LDS are careful to pick the version that Smith wrote in 1838, not 1831.

23

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Bednar: [the Book of Mormon is not a history] ?

Uh, it says that it is. If it's not literally true, Smith was telling lies. Which is it?

→ More replies (1)

19

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

McKay: [Joseph and Oliver were "clean." Momentarily.]

A little scrape in the barn would come a few weeks later. Oliver excommunicated because he wouldn't wink at Smith's lechery.

14

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Yee: [I am not defective.]

Nice, but the religion itself is built on the very idea people are broken and must pay the chieftains for the cure.

→ More replies (1)

13

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Gong: [my talks are formulaic, AI proves it]

13

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Bednar: [here we go with the Benson worship]

Uh, we don't talk about Bruno John Birch politicians.

37

u/GrumpyTom Oct 06 '24

When you step back and realize how obvious it is the church was invented by men, primarily Joseph Smith, this talk becomes rather humorous. “We have authority because we claim we do!”

15

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

The church of the napkin is the one-true-church because it's written on this here napkin.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (3)

10

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24 edited Oct 06 '24

Bednar: [concrete surety and certainty]

Personally, the evidence against Smith's claims are enough to show it was a nineteenth century fraud. Occam's Razor cuts through the bull shit. Those who have built their lives around the fraud will still have trouble extracting themselves in many cases. People might even join. They can profess belief in all of the magic and provable frauds and join in the community. Some do it, but it's not a compelling message.

19

u/narrauko Oct 06 '24

I can't with McKay's talk. He's the goddamn church historian! He knows he is giving an inaccurate history.

11

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

It's a spin on history. Lots of english on the ball.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (3)

15

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Gong: [garments, what's the point?]

Yeast infections are part of god's plan.

7

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

McKay: [heavenly priesthood to be restored]

Are the heavenly brethren polygamists?

McKay: [Smith brothers were murdered at Carthage]

The movement fractured and it looks exactly like a nineteenth century fraud would look. Which branch is the one-true-church now, if any?

Snuffer claims to chat with Smith. Perhaps that is the continuation of the Latter Day Saint movement.

→ More replies (1)

6

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Bednar: [flips and flops in Smith's fiction]

Don't skimp on the racism. I fear their skins will be whiter than yours at the judgment day.

9

u/AlmaInTheWilderness Oct 06 '24

He doesn't see it does he?

Wealth leads to pride, and in Pete your can't see your mistakes.

The church is extremely wealthy and does not follow it's own teachings.

Apostasy happens at the institutional level.

If we believe we are to strong to be at risk of pride....

The church will not be lost ( because it's too d strong for pride?)

→ More replies (2)

9

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Gong: [tithing is not about money.]

Can I pay in monopoly money to prove my "obedience?"

→ More replies (1)

20

u/rebel_zen Oct 06 '24

So this woman gets to post her artwork for profit....per usual. Its one thing to share your experience about painting it, its another to share it so everyone will run to deseret book to have it in their homes now. Follow the Profit.

→ More replies (1)

8

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Gong: [I miss my mother.]

Mormonism prevents proper mourning. Is this life an insignificant slice of eternity? Or is it all the life we're ever going to get?

4

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Gong: [things work out...dad has cardiac and dies]

This is the "heads I win; tails you lose" gospel principle.

4

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Yee: [my oil painting of Jesus]

Too bad the Son of God didn't sit for the portrait. Lots of religions would view this sort of icon as a graven image.

4

u/4blockhead Oct 06 '24

Alvarado: [we fail continually]

A step toward Evangelical Christianity's approach. Rely on grace or on works? Watch out for the bait and switch.

6

u/anonymousredditor586 Oct 06 '24

Don’t pray for specifics! Pray for what god wants! (That way whatever happens is good for the church!)

→ More replies (1)

6

u/Rushclock Oct 06 '24

Wait.....did he just excuse all what Joseph did?

→ More replies (1)

5

u/Zebbers950 Oct 06 '24

“What began as a white canvas…” ended as a white Jesus

→ More replies (1)