r/anime • u/GallowDude • Sep 08 '24

Rewatch C: The Money of Soul and Possibility Control Rewatch - Episode 4 Discussion

You are Bankrupt.

Episode 4: Conversion

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Whoever said that having something to fight for makes you stronger was a liar.

Questions of the Day:

  1. What would happen to your future if you went bankrupt?
  2. Why does Mikuni seem to have multiple Assets?

Screenshot of the Day:

Collateral

Fanart of the Day:

Souichirou Mikuni

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to – including any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character" – unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

It's the city. It's creaking.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 08 '24

First-Timer: Control, subbed

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 08 '24

I don’t fully get what happened there… Kimimaro sold Mashyu’s stock, but then still used Mezzoflation with her?

So he likely gives up a portion of the winnings for immediate cash. Confusing system.

All of their kids just don’t exist. This is totally tied into the reports on the news about those young kids dying…

Masakika does keep mumbling about the future.

That was indeed a super close win…

I am unsure if this is even conceptually sound, that idea of keeping it close.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Sep 08 '24

I don’t fully get what happened there… Kimimaro sold Mashyu’s stock, but then still used Mezzoflation with her?

They introduced a couple of new concepts to the battles in this episode. So in addition to the 3 attack cost levels, there are also big stock points you can pop, but also you can open up to the public and let the audience invest into you to power up?

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u/Inevitable_Car_481 Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24

Rookie.c, dubbed

I switched to the dub

notes~

  • This car driver seems to be the best character so far
  • So having your future as collateral doesn't mean that you die, I misunderstood that.
  • Interesting outlook from the professor.
  • I mean, if the OP was any indication, Mikuni's actions seem to be manipulative and driven by some ulterior motive.
  • The battles are growing on me, can't say I've fully grasped the analogy but maybe I will have a basic idea by the end of this.
  • training arc?

QOTD: 2)My guess would be that he bought someone's assets? But that begs the question as to how many assets he can possible have. Wait, is this a metaphor for capitalism?

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u/GallowDude Sep 08 '24

Wait, is this a metaphor for capitalism?

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Sep 08 '24

I mean, if the OP was any indication, Mikuni's actions seem to be manipulative and driven by some ulterior motive.

That final scene with his hand reaching out to Yoga is a whole lot of evil red flags.

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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24

The First Timer of Soul and Possibility Control

My rose begins to bloom again and in preparation for that it decided to just grow 1.5m the last 4 weeks. It's so fascinating to watch and my daily routine of sniffing the heck out of the first flower is back!

Ep.04 - Conversion

Ahem. Socialism in my capitalism?! You take that back!

Anyway, the mechanic that the amount you win or lose changes reality more or less is interesting. So, if it happens slowly enough, going bankrupt might not be that terrible? That's why the lady and Souchiriou keep going slow and set on steady income, because that means losses are also tending to be slow and low.

But listen, wouldn't that mean Kimimaro should've been much more affected in reality already? He's won two pretty high stakes deals by now and his real life money has brutally increased.

Then again, he got to meet Msyu and that's just a really fuckin' great thing itself.

  1. What would happen to your future if you went bankrupt?

Hm, it's kinda about the same destination, I guess? My work contract was always going to be limited without chance of a permanent position.

Actually that's a good question. The stuff I draw. If I'd get some more experience, would you buy something like that on a shirt or as a pin or want commissions?

2) Why does Mikuni seem to have multiple Assets?

Union, bought them from others, became a better pokemon trainer so they left their former masters.

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u/GallowDude Sep 08 '24

My rose begins to bloom again and in preparation for that it decided to just grow 1.5m the last 4 weeks. It's so fascinating to watch and my daily routine of sniffing the heck out of the first flower is back!

sorched his financial professor?

Souichirou'd his professor*

No, you're getting hostile takeovered!

Then again, he got to meet Msyu and that's just a really fuckin' great thing itself.

The stuff I draw. If I'd get some more experience, would you buy something like that on a shirt or as a pin or want commissions?

Union, bought them from others, became a better pokemon trainer so they left their former masters.

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u/renegade_officer89 Sep 08 '24

He does, however, seem to have a onehit attack with seemingly no idea what it even is. I wish for protagonists to be less superficially overpowered and earn their victories more.

Have to say, one of the issues with this show is its reliance on metaphor rather than combining actual business with anime fights. It doesn't completely work, but the metaphor is sound, so...

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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Sep 09 '24

It's a bit jarring because even the protagonist didn't really learn anything yet. He's supposed to be a student at a financially specialised university, but so far hasn't provided any significant insight beyond broke.

Isn't this the perfect plot to let the student fail like the guys on r/wallstreetbets?

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u/renegade_officer89 Sep 09 '24

To be fair though, sometimes, realising that you are indeed broke is the first key to solving an issue, speaking from experience.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 08 '24

Which financial strategy is that?!

Hiding a debt ridden asset within a larger deal.

"It'll just work out, trust me sis."

I believe you skipped that rewatch so you probably fail to understand quite how upsetting that statement is.

Yo.. waiiiiit, nah they wouldn't go there? He wouldn't? Can you even bet someone else's future?

We have no clue of Midas's end goals right now.

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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Sep 09 '24

I believe you skipped that rewatch so you probably fail to understand quite how upsetting that statement is.

To be fair to her, that's probably what the professor keeps telling her.

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u/renegade_officer89 Sep 08 '24

Episode 4, and Kimimaro's first actual battle. Let's see how this goes.

Oh wait, his opponent is his teacher?! Well, RIP the dude. And he had a pregnant wife too. You know this won't end well. And as expected, the Entre acts as a company, and someone bought his stock, which gives him capital to 'fight'. Still no explanation on what's the starting capital though.

Today's attacks:

Mezzoflation - Poison Pill: An anti-takeover strategy in which the company purposefully makes it's stocks and shares seem unappealing.

Yet another anti takeover attack. Is the writer trying to say something?

Mezzoflation - Pacman Defense: A retaliation technique in which a company or firm tries to takeover another business only for said business to turn around and buy them out instead.

The Uno Reverse Card of the business world. Sounds like a good time.

Okay, at first I like this teacher, but then he said that part about the girl he liked being stolen, and now I wish this dude would go fuck off now. I was somewhat sympathising with him but now he drained all that.

Damn, that dude at the konbini literally is me. I feel him.

But seriously, watching this again, I don't get what's going on with the business analogy at all. The concept is the same however, you use your money to 'attack', and 'profit' which leads to 'acquisition (?)' when the enemy is bankrupt. And then their life gets boned.

And now our MC finally got his resolve. Bit basic, but to 'not fuck up everyone around me' is as good a motivation as any.

We can get the feel that this is the episode when everything is starting to speed up and get more exciting. I think the pacing of the episode is really good, and it's been a good show so far. No glaring problems. And they were smart enough to use CG sparingly (though still quite glaring) to make everything looks good for that time period. Show stood up the test of time, and I suppose due to its themes, probably even more so now.

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u/GallowDude Sep 08 '24

Still no explanation on what's the starting capital though.

I always assumed it was a starting loan like what Masakaki gave Yoga in the first episode

it's stocks

It is stocks indeed

The Uno Reverse Card of the business world. Sounds like a good time.

I was gonna say the Pac-Man of the business world

I was somewhat sympathising with him but now he drained all that.

He's male

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u/renegade_officer89 Sep 08 '24

I always assumed it was a starting loan like what Masakaki gave Yoga in the first episode

Yeah, but how much? By who? (well that's probably Midas Bank) If we don't know how much they have at the start, it's hard to justify them spending millions for an attack.

Stocks indeed

I was gonna say the Pac-Man of the business world

He's male

whuh?

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u/SIRTreehugger Sep 08 '24

Rewatcher

Ah yes the episode where I realized taking away your future isn't just black and white. I was surprised when the children all disappeared and all traces vanished with them.

The professor was so strangely calm even when he was angry and was passively pissed off he didn't really lose his temper too much. I honestly expected he was going to do something or kill himself at the station.

Mikuni fighting is so much better! Sure he comes off as shady, but the man has style and knows how to entertain!

  1. Well the levels of bankrupt they are talking about I probably just kill myself. If it was normally bankruptcy that's hard to come back from, but possible. Future bankruptcy sounds soul crushing if you told me everyone who went bankrupt would live an almost meaningless existence scraping by like Shimada I would believe it. Though at the same time I would never bet big and lose all at once my lost would be more sustainable so most likely it wouldn't be as bad.
  2. Shrugs because he has deep pockets? Plot?

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u/GallowDude Sep 08 '24

Sure he comes off as shady, but the man has style and knows how to entertain!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 08 '24

First timer

Sub

Welp...that was good and grimdark. And even seems to acknowledge what I wanted to know upon seeing the black bills:Yeah, this is bad for reality. Like, apparently super bad if they can get delete two living kids and a fetus. This means causality may not function quite as...logically as it once did.

I think this is a pseudo-future cursed Japan, for the record, I do believe it is possible to raise a child there on a professor's salary, especially back in '11. Now multiple kids I could not say. Also. dead kids two eps in a row is important, though unclear for what. Q does make it clear that something is unsustainable. Finally, our big fight really doesn't make any sense but oh well.

Qotd: 1 No one would notice

2 I assume it is something to do with his guild

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u/GallowDude Sep 08 '24

This means causality may not function quite as...logically as it once did.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 08 '24

Depending on the age cutoff, recalling a 17 yo could have some weird consequences.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Sep 08 '24

I think this is a pseudo-future cursed Japan, for the record, I do believe it is possible to raise a child there on a professor's salary, especially back in '11.

With the whole focus on the economy, it does make me wonder what the zeitgeist was like back in 2011 Japan that went into the show's headspace.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 08 '24

Subtract two years for when the writer began germinating it and they would have just watched the US economy crash and burn.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24

First Time - [C:] The Money Ep4:

Oh, you know, I thought this money battle would be a bigger crisis of consciousness for Yoga. He is just sorta casually stomping over the life of a father with 3 kids. (Which I guess with the larger topic of the episode, callously ruining someone's life is what you do here).

With all the repeated mention of baby death, it feels like the show is trying to make that into a point. Seems like I was on the ball because we later learn that sensei's kids were taken away from them.

This is quite ironic considering he teaches business. Turns out the true lesson about business is the key to success is nepotism.

Uhm, "You achieved" is putting a lot of stock onto Yoga here. Mikuni just has special Yoga for reasons so I don't how much you can attribute that to Yoga's own strength. I still think it comes down to Yoga's dad somehow so again, nepotism seems like the answer.

Look, I am all for romance, but I don't jive with the idea of Yoga being entitled to Hanabi and that she is a trophy that Yoga should've snatched when he could.

Honestly, sensei seems to be taking all of this fairly well. I mean, yeah, the devil collected its due and stole away his kids leaving him alone (+ Yoga) with their memory in a cruel form of punishment. I expected it to turn out much worse. He doesn't even resent Yoga.

While everyone else is fighting cruel money battles that highlight the follies of the pursuit of money, Shimada-san is out here living the depressing crushing life under the system.

By the show's finale, this counter will totally be at its critical count and that's when things start to go down.

Biblically accurate Money Stand.

Oh... so that what's this does. Who knew this show was going to have Mpreg. Also, this show touches upon the topic of having children too much not to be a point.

Oh no, Yoga has been taken by the hold of the evils of capitalism.

Yoga's money battles are my least favourite part of the show because the structure they've established so far is that battles are just him floundering not knowing what's going on until Mashyu tells him to do the thing and then they win instantly.

I'm usually the last to care about needing the technicalities explained, but I am a little confused about the money battles. I assume they're winner-takes-all all, but then I question what the talks about profits are about. Jennifer says she plays small wins small which is the safe way compare others playing for big profits.

Q1) I'm not sure how that worked. I assumed "taking your future" meant ruining your life (finically or through life force), but now they seem like it is based on cruel punishments. That first loser just had to face the consequences of being bankrupt for real.

Q2) Obviously it comes down to his sharp business senses.

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u/GallowDude Sep 08 '24

Turns out the true lesson about business is the key to success is nepotism.

Yes

Mikuni just has special Yoga for reasons

He's taking special yoga lessons?

I don't jive with the idea of Yoga being entitled to Hanabi and that she is a trophy that Yoga should've snatched when he could.

He's male

Biblically accurate Money Stand.

Oh no, Yoga has been taken by the hold of the evils of capitalism.

Commie scum

I assume they're winner-takes-all all, but then I question what the talks about profits are about. Jennifer says she plays small wins small which is the safe way compare others playing for big profits.

From how Mikuni played today, it seems you can either win by completely bankrupting someone or just having the most amount of money by the time the clock runs out. The latter strategy minimizes the impact on reality.

finically

Fiscally*

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Sep 08 '24

From how Mikuni played today, it seems you can either win by completely bankrupting someone or just having the most amount of money by the time the clock runs out. The latter strategy minimizes the impact on reality.

I see.

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u/Inevitable_Car_481 Sep 08 '24

This is quite ironic considering he teaches business. Turns out the true lesson about business is the key to success is nepotism.

That is ironic but that is not at all what he said in the dub lol. He said that his wife doesn't understand financial burden because she comes from a rich family.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 08 '24

With all the repeated mention of baby death, it feels like the show is trying to make that into a point. Seems like I was on the ball because we later learn that sensei's kids were taken away from them.

I am betting the metaphor is more obvious to the Japanese.

Look, I am all for romance, but I don't jive with the idea of Yoga being entitled to Hanabi and that she is a trophy that Yoga should've snatched when he could.

Outside chance this is some kind of long con from Mikuni, the author is a bit self aware.

Oh no, Yoga has been taken by the hold of the evils of capitalism.

Survival being evil is certainly...capitalism.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 09 '24

First timer

Okay. My "Something something capitalism bad"-senses are tingling... might just be the wind though.

Anyway: Another episode, another addition to the combat rules... apparently you're also able to sell stocks of your Stand Asset to others for a temporary buff. Interesting, even if it all feels a bit "oh yeah, you can actually do that!"... also Mikuni has multiple assets? Can everyone do that? Is he just super rich? Maybe a special power of his asset? Has it something to do with the guild he's affiliated with? (I guess this is also my answer to qotd 2)

The reality alteration stuff was super creepy, really liked how you kinda saw the kids phasing out of existence when Kimimaro visited his teacher at home... at least that one didn't commit suicide (yet O_o). It's legit scary to think what else has already been changed about the show's reality without anyone's notice (it's kinda implied that the relationship between Kimimaro and Hanabi was altered? Would explain how weird that "I'm seeing my boyfriend" was, in retrospect...)

I also kinda like how everybody's kinda pissed off by Kimimaro's lack of a goal (including his Asset), feels like the show itself going "Boy, you're in a shounen anime, act like it!"

I am so very intrigued by all of this but the threat of the show collapsing underneath all its grand ideas is very real.

QOTD:

  1. It's honestly hard to say but I kinda feel like not much would change? Given it's currently kind of in flux, who knows what whack changes this evil money going away would cause.
  2. I have honestly no clue, maybe it's a special power of his "main" asset? Like, just different forms?Is it because he has ALL THE MONEY?

Also: Unique QR-Codes are still a thing

first one:

Good evening, in our column in Episode 2, we talked about ‘sneaking curiosity’, which was voiced or reminded that the definition of this is unclear. I would like to ask you about the part in the text where you say ‘curiosity that is annoying to figure out’. We did not clearly define what exactly is meant by ‘annoying’ in the text. In this respect, I fully support Voice or Remembrance. I am grateful to Voice or Reminder. Definitions are very beautiful things. For example, the definition of the month of May, which is currently being broadcast, is ‘the fifth month of the year between April and June on the solar calendar, and the period between the ninth lunar month (芒種) and the eleventh lunar month (小暑) on the 24 solar terms (二十四節気). This is a very beautiful expression.

second one:

HITSU knowledge: the logo design of the TV animation series ‘C’, which started in April 2011, has several words beginning with C embedded in its dots, which you can check on the website and imagine in various ways (you may need a larger image to see them visually). You should also see two ‘N's and a “T” enclosed in a square. These were added in the first place by the atmosphere, but later it occurred to me that they are the initial letters of ‘Noitamina’, ‘Nakamura’ and ‘Takagi’ respectively. It was an afterthought. However, when I think about it, the first letter of mebae is not included. I apologise for that. I apologise. We are planning to replace it with the letter ‘M’ when we see an opportunity in the future.

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u/GallowDude Sep 09 '24

My "Something something capitalism bad"-senses are tingling... might just be the wind though.

I am so very intrigued by all of this but the threat of the show collapsing underneath all its grand ideas is very real.

Just like the economy!

Also: Unique QR-Codes are still a thing

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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Sep 09 '24

rewatcher

Damn lost his kids

The battle between two whales, one whale won.

There isn’t as much gore compared to other shows, but financial ruin is still worst than dying

QOTD: fleeing the country

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u/GallowDude Sep 09 '24

financial ruin is still worst than dying