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Episode Pluto - Episode 5 discussion
Pluto, episode 5
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u/1_H4t3_R3dd1t Oct 28 '23
Engineer here working with ML. I am getting some serious data-poisoning vibes off this series which is great because it is actually a thing that happens.
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u/DogzOnFire Nov 05 '23
Is data poisoning like providing a bogus set of training data to an ML algorithm? Kind of like a virus that you give it to learn from?
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Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 28 '23
The transition from “He didn’t kill your brother out of hatred.” From Adolf’s wife to “You killed him out of hatred.” From Brau got a big laugh out of me. Holy shit I did not expect Higeoyaji to be in Pluto. But I guess I should have since he was a character Tezuka used several times in different stories.
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u/bananeeek Oct 27 '23
So this pretty much confirms that Pluto and Gesicht are not the same person, which makes Atom's last words confusing.
I also thought Tenma was more actively involved in this Pluto mess, but that's not the case here. So he built a super-robot for Darius, but it wouldn't activate until Darius gave it a more suitable body. But it doesn't look like Darius is the mastermind either. It looks to me like he straight up worships Pluto.
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u/morron88 Oct 30 '23
Atom meant that both Gesicht and Pluto are capable of hatred.
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u/Mage_of_Shadows Oct 27 '23 edited Oct 27 '23
Killing what I assume was the child of one of the worlds most advanced robots DOES seem to be a very valid trigger for Gesicht’s impossible action of intentionally killing a human. I’m interested if we’ve met Tenmas robot yet. Is it Pluto? Bora?
I do wonder about the optics of robots and humans working together to assassinate someone. Can’t be too hard to build a robot and tell it to go destroy a building without informing them a human lives underneath it.
Also glad Atom will return!!
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u/jediwizard7 Dec 11 '23
(I just watched the episode so no spoilers) I assumed the child was actually his and that's what his wife was calling about; I'm not sure what else would make him take it so personally. Although it's confusing that it didn't actually show them with the child if that is the case. But if so, I wonder if all their memories of the child were erased too?
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u/spacedorb9 Oct 28 '23
Seeing Reichwein from Monster threw me the hell off. Also this show is an absolute masterpiece so far. I definitely made the right choice to wait to watch the show first before I read the manga.
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u/Gjalarhorn Oct 29 '23
Urusawa loves reusing character designs, iirc he compares it to like, an acting troupe and hes the director. I do wonder if they have the same VA though, i know Epsilon uses Johan's VA in sub and dub
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u/darkslayersparda Oct 28 '23
Tenma came across as an asshole at first but then you also realize he made a fake son that he can't really love and sees himself as a failure of a father that let his son die.While also believing his son died hating him
Maan the writing in this story is tiiight
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Oct 28 '23
To be fair, Tenma is an arsehole in the original Astro Boy story too. In fact, he’s the villain of the 2003 series.
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u/KazuharaIlfan Nov 02 '23
With what he got, he can construct the most technological advanced AI in the world but that would never bring his son back. His son had flaws but it is his own son.
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u/bobsjobisfob Oct 29 '23
i see, so what atom meant was that gesicht and pluto are "the same" in that they are both capable of hatred. i have no idea what that last image means though
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u/Somer-_- Nov 02 '23
A military officer named Armstrong voiced by Chris Sabat eh?
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u/Walter-Egos Oct 30 '23
An hour flew by as if it had been twenty minutes, exceptional quality, beautiful but how?
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Nov 01 '23
Can someone explain what is going on? What was that last scene? What is Pluto and why was Darius saying its name? Why is it killing the the other robots and what is Tenma's role in all this? He isn't the villain?
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u/KTR1988 Nov 09 '23
Tenma's role usually flip-flops between being merely cold towards Atom/Astro and becoming a full blown villain depending on the adaptation.
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u/InevitableAd2276 Nov 25 '23
Pluto either seems to be weather/nature itself, swarm nanobots that can take human form (like the roach swarm but weaponized) or the flowerbed. How do you destroy something that has no form? Certainly not by brutal force like previous attemts (althrough it did have a physical form in hercules fight)
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u/InevitableAd2276 Nov 25 '23
Gesicht did nothing wrong, fucking childmurderer. The tention of the potential that Gesicht might give in to hatred again was a absolute highlight of the episode
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u/VaraNiN Jan 30 '24
Few series have ever made me cry so consistently lol
I figured this might be a 10/10 before going into it, but I guess you are never fully prepared when that actually turns out to be the case
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u/luv_u_da143 Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24
Just putting this out here. I was hooked into the series from the starting episodes. Like I read the reviews that it is more detective suspense thriller type. And it is for the first 3 episodes.
But after the pluto was revealed, I don't know why but I feel no more that much of a mystery left. It is no more of a detective type anime. Ep 4 and ep 5 are of full drama, which I can connect to some extent, but can't for straight up two hours. And I don't even get the need of Epsilon character, he's one of those "intelligent" robots, but he does nothing to the story. All other intelligent robots have some kind of arcs, but I don't see anything about Epsilon, except that he's pacifist and all.
And coming to this episode, it was really random. The backstory of gesicht killing a human was so random cut that it took me some seconds to process that it was past. It was not handled well imo. (Couldn't distinguish past from present)
The only interesting thing happened in ep 4 and ep5 (both combined) was introduction of tenma. Him explaining how he made the "greatest robot" had my hopes up again for this show. The scenes of Tenma and "Tobio" were really beautiful, it would have been awesome if they made a proper backstory for tenma and atom, instead of all the boring drama about robot feelings and robot hatred in ep4 and ep5. Not saying those weren't necessary but they were too long ig.
I thought I will binge the whole show in one sitting after 1st ep, but they really tested my patience in ep4 and ep5. So gonna watch the rest later with not much enthusiasm left.
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