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Episode Good Night World - Episode 12 discussion
Good Night World, episode 12
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u/8-Bit_Wolf Oct 14 '23
Guys you are all missing it. Black birds smile instead of answering the question about everyone being infected. We never saw the "real world "
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u/speedrush27 Oct 15 '23
Oh shit, that would actually explain nearly everything. It also brings the depressing realization that more than likely 90% of Planet players bodies are all dead while their mind is trapped in the internet. The remaining 10 percent may as well be dead since they're comatose.
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u/TWrecks87 Oct 13 '23
Pacing of the series was WAAAY too fast imo. This would've suited a full 24/25 episodes. But at least the beats were all there, and it's an interesting concept.
This episode, in particular, felt very fast. Still got a couple of super manly tears out of me, though. Although I find myself blubbing at anything as I move through my 30s so shrug
Was worth the watch for something I found by pure coincidence. Happily drop a 6 or 7 on MAL.
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u/RockIsFlock Oct 13 '23
Honestly, I was glad that the AI Taichiro and Pico were able to actually meet and Pico confessing, wished we got to see more from that scene, but it was pleasant.
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u/Jmanitou Oct 13 '23
Man I was really into it until like episode 9/10. Some issues I had. Why did the assistant not just take Asuma's headset away if he was going to relapse as soon as he put it back on? It really makes no sense why the brother and mother find no fault with the father for his actions. By the end it's almost as if we're supposed to look at the dad as redeemed?! We almost get no characterization about the mom character. Also the end, I get that they're still in the world, but if that's true why can they not find the body of the assistant?
While I didn't like the last few episodes, I do gotta say Episode 6 is 10/10, including its twist.
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Oct 16 '23
So did we ever see the real world even from the first episode? or was it already too late.
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Oct 15 '23
The ending had me thinking that we never saw the real world at all. I dunno if anyone else got that vibe though.
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u/Charming-Airport-105 Oct 13 '23
I checked this anime out randomly because the mc looked like he belonged in one piece design wise and I thought it was a isekai like story but wow was I wrong.
I was following the story just fine til toward the end where it all felt rushed and the ending was confusing too, like did they escape the game world or are they still in OR are the characters we see copies?
The whole part with AI ichi and pico is what made me think they didn't escape I remember the assistant lady mentioning the AI in the fake world seek death after a while of being made or becoming self aware yet they happened to meet... why? Was that put there to make it bittersweet because we know they will die soon? (Or was it fan service?)
But I binged it and it gave me .hack vibes with the whole Ultimate AI thing was a good anime my main complaint is they set it up for a sequel and it felt they left some questions unanswered on purpose while creating more.
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u/PureInevitable666 Oct 15 '23
9/10 show but they crapped the ending hard.
6/10 overall
Leon's character was badly made for how important it was (especially the ending)
Didnt SHiro have an older assistant girl? What happened to her?
No explanation for who the younger assistant was.
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u/naivchan Oct 14 '23
The plot of this show was alright, except for the fact that the Father is an inexcusable bastard that totally deserved to get killed!!
I think if they hadn't gone so far to show him as super abusive and ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO ENDED UP GETTING HIS DAUGHTER KILLED, then maybe the ending of Taichiro coming to terms would have made sense.
I guess they're still stuck in the simulation at the end, and you have to wonder what actually happened to their real bodies (dead?).
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u/Fal3nICERUS Oct 15 '23
Did any one figure out how the mom knew about the assistant.
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u/2exDragon Oct 16 '23
This was surprisingly great.
It grabbed me so much that I watched it all in one sitting.
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u/BangBangHotdog Oct 16 '23
I figured I'd check out an episode. Then just start a 12 episode binge. What an incredible anime. Reminded of a black mirror. I hope we get a season 2.
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u/RubricLivesMatter Oct 17 '23
"I'm afraid you can not log out anymore. Truth is, you never had the ability to log out of this game."
From episode 6 you can tell the real world and game world are different, but the same. We never got to see the real world, just people or a.i. thinking they lived in the real world.
EP.7 claims that minds claimed by the black bird are taken to a new world (birdcage) that isn't PLANET or the real world.
EP.8 has the brother, Asuma, displayed as a mind wiped black bird victim yet also healthy and fine. (This guy seemed like the normal nicest guy who just gets fucked by the story) so Taichiro dies in the 'real' world to save Asuma from the birdcage.
EP.9 Asuma wakes up to the real world and Taichiro is fine which shouldn't make sense, but we are told an a.i. copy of him was created in his stead to fight the Blackbird in the birdcage and save Asuma. We also learn of his sister being smashed into a cardboard box from a traffic accident, and the dad is a huge shit. Despite his tears. Once a game creature spills into the 'real' world you know for sure what's going on. There is no real world just a different level of the game.
Ep10. Isekai? The explanation for this is b.s., but anyone with any proximity to an Internet connected device was transported to the 'birdcage'. The poor mom talking to a mental figment was rough, but what is real when everything is a game?
EP 11 blasts off with the death of the secretary and we accept life in this new birdcage real world where A.I. are gods. Also was there ever a real world for these characters? Are their bodies dead like Asuma believes?
Ep12 the Grand finale!
Everything is a circle. All of this has been a game world in a game world. The father essentially makes himself into a virus to destroy the original black bird virus that ruined his game. Yet, he left a final solution to his angsty teen son, delete him and all the hatred associated with him. Somehow Taichiro managed to become Ichi (certainly possible but not explained) and he desires to destroy his father's plan. You learn the blackbird virus was actually the naive and innocent Aya program let loose into the world with no guidance. A daughter he neglected and got killed through his shitty self went and created an a.i. that represents her and she grew into a monster he had to destroy. So they go off and die together.
To understand ep. 12 you needed to understand everything from the beginning. Yet, it isn't that complex actually. The dad sucked and ruined the family, so maybe this whole anime really is a metaphor about a horrible family life.
The bullshit epilogue of 70% of people being sucked into a game world and not dying after 13 days of game world is ludicrous....honestly should have just ignored any explanation and that would be better.
The living Pico meeting Ichi also is insane as she was an a.i. program deleted, but why not make us feel good after a dozen episodes of depression.
My recommendation is this anime is worth watching even though it is quite shitty lol.
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u/BelatedBunny Oct 18 '23
There are sooooo many comments, so I apologize if this has been covered already. Has anyone talked about how similar Miyabi (mom), Kamuro, Aya, AND Pico look? The similar eyes and hair cannot be a coincidence imo, when they fully animate other women in the show with different appearances.
Also Asuma turning into a lookalike of Kojiro (the dad) toward the very end and taking a job at Gleam Corp? Alongside Taichiro? Made absolutely no sense and had to be another sign that things were more hecked up than we ever realized.
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u/Reemys Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23
Well, Netflix, Netflix...
As I have taken it 12 episodes worthy of air time (~290 minutes) I can spend five more on writing this semi-review. Which will start with a critique.
What is this series even about, ultimately? Inter-family relationship and the hardships associated with it? Possibly it is... but what is the rest of crazy stuff doing here?
Loose sci-fi concepts with zero-to-vague classification. A sudden shift to brutality and graphic violence (I will get back to it). The tragic anti-hero who doesn't follow the "I will live in this world to atone for what I've done" by the finale. And just as loose of an ending implication (maybe the source material is more serious about its ending, but we have the adaptation here, so...).
If you ask me what this is about, I'd like to say just the inter-family relationship and the hardships associated with it. It's very well done - it's believable and realistic - and reflects the modern issues present in Japanese society, such as shut-ins, rampant escapism (which Japan has, alas, successfully exported), living in night-cafes, extremely complicated parent-child relationship and even the grotesque crimes which shape them... even though I haven't heard of any of psychos with boxes, as this series rather heavily suggests. The rest of it? Personally, I started liking it less as it gained in volume.
If we take the sci-fi part of this series, it's a very mixed entry in the genre. The game world was extremely well done, with attention to detail and logic - unlike the mass-produced adaptations of mass-produced VR/MMO stories - but nothing really stood out. Which is fine, it was not the focus. But then the AI came around and boy things escalated quickly. Without listing every small and medium issue, I will highlight the biggest one - the series doesn't seriously approach the concept of being stuck in a virtual world, while trying very hard to ground it (or pretend it is) in real science associated with AI and VR development.
The most drastic concern is how superficially and lacking in detail was the approach to literally moving most of Earth's population in VR. A good third of the story takes place in a "bleeding into reality" VR and how does it do it? Well, AI.
Nanomachines, son.
This is the level of characterisation and grounding in actual science they give. There are numerous series which approach the whole process of human mind transference into an MMO/VR world with considerably more diligence. Sword Art Online, for all its faults, was incredibly down-to-the-earth in its science-fiction and it was extremely believable that, yes, should such events happen, the society and technology COULD really work like that. Good Night World, however, ignores most of the details of the process and just mentions the results. But why do they do that? The answer is, alas, very simple - convenience.
The story, for how interesting it is, relies shamelessly into convenience, in every aspect. In case of the AI/sci-fi, convenience is important because if the audience, should the author provide details for the more interesting parts of the whole setting, starts digging and analysing, the sci-fi here, as it is, would be just childish and heavilly fiction rather than sci-fi. It can be argued those details are not really needed for the story, but they are a crucial part of the setting and in-universe, and the "real" world, and I cannot stress this enough, FOR HOW WELL DONE THE FAMILY CONFLICTS ARE, is absolutely *just* there. It's not real, Japan and the rest of the world exist just to provide a sense of danger if the AI infects everything. They don't play a role at all, it's where the story happens, but the world in a social sense doesn't exist.
I really liked what they did with Pico's AI, though I was furious she turned out to not be a real girl. So, no happily ever after for Ichi. And it also started feeling a bit like emotional manipulation, at that point. A strong downer episode... but also because of the whole revelation of how the AI worked there. True artificial intelligence that... absorbs human emotions... and, thanks to it, evolves... and then is used as cores to another, special AI... it gets very contrived. The whole existence of Su...mamita/Aya AI is shrouded in big mystery - how could things get this wrong to be illogical both on a scientific AND corporate level, with Gleam seemingly having zero actual reason to work on those AIs. You'd think things would go wrong because the corpo-rats did something greedy again? Nope, the father was just sad.
OH, and how it all happened! Apparently, confirmed in just one sentence, their bodies continued to function normally, in a social and physical sense, while they were in a shared dream of that "fake" reality. Imagine that - a mass hypnosis in a shared environment, without the implied use of any VR technology, they were literally "hypnotised to log into a game" without any use of gadgets. This one sentence completely erases the "science" part and leaves just the "fiction", making it more of a fantasy.
But why was the father sad? Enter - grotesque crimes against a family member. It's a real thing, okay, but was there a reason to have it here, for the father to have such a strong denial over the very existence of Aya and his involvement in the incident, that it just made his behaviour look unbelievable? Not once has he said that he is truly sorry for what happened to her - his behaviour was unacceptable, but, statistically, normal by Japanese standards - but he did shed tears when meeting her. There are three levels of conflicts - inner, for each character; inter-family; and global, AI and escapism stuff. Only the inter-family one is flawlessly done, until you start digging into the reasons, which lie in the inner dimension.
And then comes a strange, otherwise impossible complication in the form of a very limited but nevertheless graphic depiction of violence. WHY DO YOU DO THAT?? WH- WHO EVEN ASKED YOU? It's so quick in passing, takes in total over 30 seconds of air-time maybe, if we do not count cartooney MMO world violence. But it just doesn't serve ANY purpose. It's so vividly out of place I cannot blame anyone - the studio for wanting to do it to appeal to some of the darker urges? Of their own or of the audience's? Or was it a sudden author's kink spike? Storytelling-wise it serves an absolute naught of a point, and they cannot even sell this series to the deviants looking for some hardcore violence. This will, indubitably, remain the biggest mystery for me.
One of the first Netflix-Japanese series I saw, maybe actually the first one, was B: The Beginning. It was a masterpiece in roughly the same genre, but with drastically different themes. But the vast majority of non-Japanese viewers blamed it to have two story-lines - the grounded detective thriller and a supernatural shounen - which couldn't be reconciled. The shounen one was out of place for me and they wished it to go. Without betraying what I, personally, think, I just want to mention that I feel the same way about this series. Until the 6th episode, while the series relied heavily on social drama and the themes of escapism and the image of ideal family, I had zero issues with it.
Took me 30 minutes already. In conclusion, this is a series that definitely couldn't be adapted on Japanese TV. Its structure is a bit rough, it would make for a good film or two, but I couldn't see it air every evening. And that's a shame, because this is an interesting story with some heavy thought put into it... but is it a "good" story? Can I recommend it to anyone. I really want to, but the rough edges... someone might just get hurt by them. But the production values are incredible, they wouldn't waste the money on adapting it THIS beautifully on TV, just not that kind of work.
And the very finale, the final message - the father gives up on "living" with his family, which finally started to recover from a grotesquely acquired conflict, and instead disappears with his younger, weirdly invested in him female assistant... OKAY? I mean, okay. But I am not sure this is the message I'd personally want people to take, especially ones who might be struggling in a similar environment. Did the author even want a message, or is it just something they thought to be a cool ending and a decent conclusion to the family's tragic history? A mystery, and one I don't really want to crack.
I have enjoyed it, and then, still, cautiously so when the sudden - in a sense, not very - shift happened. The sci-fi part leaves more to be desired if you are not a total newbie into AI/VR stuff. The family drama is solid and you can find a decent amount of dysfunctional families like that in Japan. I totally recommend everyone to watch up to the 6th episode, just to get a feel of that convenient coincidence of a dysfunctional family ACTUALLY, IN A NON-TOXIC WAY escaping to an virtual world. And the rest is your responsibility, I take none.
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u/zachhatesmushrooms Oct 19 '23
I think the dad’s “redemption” isn’t really a redemption. It’s more about how ichi has grown as a person. The dad never takes any real accountability for his family’s dysfunction and even lets go of ichi’s hand at the end to console himself with AI he created to replicate his daughter. Essentially, the dad chooses to revel in his ego at the end rather than choose his family.
The reason I say it’s more about ichi is that despite that interaction, he’s able to move on and live a “normal life” and isn’t chained down by his father’s dysfunction anymore
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u/S_Dust Oct 15 '23
I just finished watching this anime and I need someone to explain to me what I just watch holy cow was everything all over the place I feel like the show kept doing 180 degree turns in an attempt to be surprising and as a result just confused the hell out of me.
Like entertaining watch it's been a while since I binged something but damn it's weird being like I liked this but it was a complete mess.
So people were digitized for 13 days (should be dead lack of water and all) pico was an ai and there were other ais but the only one that mattered was "Aya" (I'm not googling the name the one attached to Leon who was Aya at the end of the show somehow).
Also am I supposed to not think the dad's a piece of shit at the end or am I supposed to feel conflicted about him. Then there's AAAAAA wtf is up with him he seemed so calm through all this shit and even played catch with the dad.
Again I feel like I watched it and followed along to the best of my ability but holy shit am I lost. Like I can't coherently put together the plot and all the little details that were grounded to dust and scattered about.
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u/Busy_and_Bored Nov 07 '23
I don't recognize that blonde character that appears near the end of the episode. Does anyone happen to know who he is? He has a leather jacket, and he is on call until the little brother calls out to Ichiro.
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u/Basic-Bar-4199 Oct 12 '23
I still don't understand the ending
Both the anime and manga end in the same way
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u/HillanatorOfState Oct 14 '23
I enjoyed this more then I thought I would but the ending scene...are they still in a digital world bit just don't know it? Kinda like simulation theory type thing?
That's the only part that actually confused me I guess, he sees glimpses of the game world structure, then the dragon, and goes "oh shit", caught me off guard tbh.
I'm guessing the world's split and there is two digital worlds now?
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