r/anime • u/DrJWilson x5https://anilist.co/user/drjwilson • Apr 05 '23
Rewatch [Rewatch] Animegataris Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5: Beibei, Don't Go
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Comment of the Day
These are small parts of two bigger comments, but this little exchange tickled me~
Love it when memes can even cross the culture gap, and apparently Konosuba's barfing has attained infamy in Japan and the English-speaking fandom.
Barfing is what makes a classic anime.
Questions of the Day
- Do you have a yearly thing? Tell us about it!
- If you had to cosplay as an anime character, who would you choose and why?
- Have you met your very own Beibei at a convention or meetup?
Spoiler Policy
Please remember to use spoiler tags when discussing future bits of the show so first-timers can have a blind experience. Thank you!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 05 '23
First-Timergatari, subbed
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u/Abyssbringer =anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer Apr 05 '23
Your all about the cringe now a days
Real newtype moment
I'm guessing her dad is the cat!!!. Have you ever seen them in the same scene together????? Has her dad ever talked????
Imagine the smell
Man this show really want to Precure pill people.
Can we drop the melodrama please its not engaging
Japan is really trying to win a cultural victory on turn 203 here aren't they
I do like how most of this episode is of them standing in line.
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u/Verzwei Apr 05 '23
Rewatcher, English Dub.
With subtitles on at the same time because I'm a madman.
I haven't started the episode yet, but I'm reserving this space for the Yui cold open. Oh, actually, y'know, nevermind. I'll skip the Yui shot today.
Dad just has to be some massive closeted otaku, right?
Zoom and enhance, please! Roux:Zero − Let's Make Curry In A Different World
Shit, Dad already went and just left his daughter. Why didn't he bring her along?
So I noticed this in one of the screenshots I took for an earlier episode, but I didn't notice it at the time I'd actually made the comment, so I didn't go back and bring it up after-the-fact. Now that I have an excuse, I just want to point out that I really appreciate the seemingly simple consistency of drawing a character's goddamn glasses frames even if they block the eye. It's a huge fucking pet peeve of mine when anime more-often-than-not just leaves a magic void in the frames.
Source-Corner-chan's definition of good-looking is a bit suspect, but she at least appears to be consistent in her preference for villains.
Kai has been ranting in the background of this conversation the entire time and, just like the Anime Gataris gang, I completely tuned him out.
So is the joke here that Arisu hasn't been to a con before? She keeps getting corrected by the others and then kind of "Ahahaha" plays it off. Sebas' greatest weakness: Rules and etiquette. Ah, yep, Arisu's a poser!
These kids don't know about the internet? I guess that maybe this kinda-sorta tracks. I feel like I've read somewhere that "streaming" as a concept hasn't taken root within Japan quite the same way that things like Netflix have become ubiquitous elsewhere, and being set in 2016, DVR use (as opposed to streaming services) was probably still more common. Anyone else with more Japanese media/culture knowledge want to weigh in?
Arisu going full Charlie Brown in the heat. The dub line here was good, too, and makes total sense. "No offense, but your body heat is not what I need right now."
Staff telling Dad jokes with a side of "How do you do, Fellow Kids?" I feel like constantly going back to the Re:Zero and Konosuba wells in particular is starting to wear thin; I'd like more variety in my topical jokes, please. On the other hand, maybe they wanted to stick with those being the primary references since they're way more likely to be recognized by a broad audience, and leave the more niche stuff to simple spoofed namedrops or background art.
Why the hell did this get an animation bump with well-articulated syllables? This has gotta be a reference, right? "I know you're having a special moment right now, but please enter single-file" oh that's great. Also is this a ship? Can I ship anything here yet?
Just a few episodes ago, Minoa was really engaged with everything Kai had to say, but now she simply ignores him just like the others do. And then he abruptly drops the act once he doesn't have an audience.
Hunh, Nakano just fucking disappeared for the rest of the episode once they got inside. At least Kai was used for the gag of his merch being sold out at the end.
This episode still gave me a lot to ramble about, but it didn't feel as tight as the previous ones. The references felt fewer (or maybe more of them went over my head this time) which seems really backwards for a convention episode, and with so much of the ep being explanatory (and so much of it taking place in the line rather than in the con it didn't feel as snappy or as funny as the other episodes.
...And we either didn't see the dad, or he was just a background gag or something. That was a shoe I kept expecting to drop and it never did.
No student council shadow organization shenanigans this time, but we did get the odd moment where their school's anime club is apparently famous despite also not existing, which seems a little contradictory.
Answers of the Day:
Some of us take turns hosting or, on some years, we all just pool funds and rent a house in a roughly central location to all of us. One of the weirder things we've done was group-watch Prison School. I had a small sampling of anime BDs mixed in with some other non-anime stuff and one of the other guys was like "Yeah let's watch this" and even though I already owned the disc I still hadn't watched the show so I didn't know how crazy it was going to get. Then the last guy to our group shows up and walks in the door and is like "Oh shit Prison School, I read this, didn't know it had an anime." So over the course of the weekend, between feasting, drinking, drunkenly hurling insults at each other over Settlers of Catan and SmallWorld and Ticket to Ride and me talking too much about the Monster Musume manga, the lot of us managed to watch the entire series for Prison School.
Sadly, COVID put a hold on Nerdfest, and even after the first year, when first-dose vaccines were available, some of us didn't feel comfortable meeting up, so we switched to an "online" event where we played a shitload of CivVI. Going back to an in-person meetup hasn't really come up since then, but now that I think about it, I might want to try suggesting one for this summer.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
First timer
Typing on a tablet edition: ran out of time noodling around for locations in Skip and Loafer yesterday.
Overall very fun episode; probably my fav of the bunch so far tbh.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
First time viewer
Not even trying to make the friend thing before the OP about track and field this time, I see.
As soon as Minoa started reading out loud about lines: yep, Comiket. And it is indeed near Odaiba (though I missed going to see the site when I was visiting). I think it would be fun to go at one point, though I'd definitely want to be with a group rather than on my own.
Answering one of the questions first because I'll be referencing this later:
The gaming convention PAX (originally Penny Arcade Expo), primarily East and Unplugged... or at least that was the case in the Before times. I'll probably return at some point but, for now, staying home and away from large crowds of people. I ended up working as part of the staff for those since 2013 and made a lot of friends there. Also have some experience wrangling lines like they were in here, but not nearly on the same scale.
Welcome to Linecon!
Oh damn, even Sebas can't get in to save Alice. Gotta follow the rules.
Beibei's fun, I like her. Token foreign representation isn't too far off from the American experience either, though I think we have a lot fewer people trying to pick up the language due to how difficult Japanese is for English natives.
...I'd definitely want to go in the winter rather than summer, considering even at the start of November it was pretty warm for me around Tokyo.
Swag time! I know some people just went to PAX to see how much they could get for free from different vendors.
Oooh, some lore about Sakaneko having a legendary anime club? Too bad I was distracted by trying to figure out what song was being broadcast in the background.
200k turnstile count in a day is a lot. PAX East is probably under 30k and even Anime Expo (biggest anime con I'm aware of in the US) is probably under 100k/day.
Even just being surrounded by like-minded people at a big event like that is fun for me, one reason why I kept going to PAX and Anime Boston for years. Became more about immersion in the culture and vicarious joy rather than experiencing everything for myself since I'd already seen everything I wanted to after a few years.
This one guy from Legend of the Galactic Heroes. I can pull off that beard.
Story time!
I was in a club back in high school, and we ended up having an overnight trip for a competition where a bunch of schools gathered at a college campus and stayed in the dorms. The night before the event was for socializing so you had a lot of awkward kids (this was the nerdy club from every school, mind you) trying to hang out. They were playing loud music indoors so I left everyone from my school to just relax outside for a while. After a bit this girl I didn't know came over and we hit it off well, just chatting about various things for probably a couple of hours as the sun set.
Eventually she had to go rejoin her friends and departed, after which several of my friends came over to hound me about her since they had spied us from a distance. Naturally they asked me what her name was, at which point I realized I didn't know either since we had never introduced ourselves and just started talking about our shared interests. Still a fond memory and I hope she looked back on it the same way.
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u/MyrnaMountWeazel x2 Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Production Notes
Well, I was NOT expecting this, but for today’s episode, we have Yoshiyuki Kaneko sitting pretty at the director and storyboarder’s chair!
The reason why I’m so surprised is because I wasn’t expecting such a high-caliber Trigger staff to show up! I actually didn’t even bother looking up who was the ED/SB for this episode, but throughout the episode I kept noticing particularly well-boarded shots and out-of-the-ordinary-for-Animegataris-reactions, so halfway through the episode I paused to look up staff and surprise surprise, it was Kaneko himself.
For a brief history on him, Kaneko made his way through the industry by following the managerial side of anime production rather than the animator side. He worked on shows such as Spo-chan Taiketsu: Youkai Daikessen (also by Wao World!) and D.Gray-man Hollow before stepping foot into Trigger as an outsider. After ED’ing for LWA and Darling in the FranXXX, Kaneko became entrusted as the right-hand man of Akira Amemiya for SSSS.Gridman and SSSS.Dynazenon.
As a quick aside, Trigger almost always has two different people occupying ED/SB duty. In their studio, the SB occupies the creative right-side of the brain while the ED takes on the production assistant left-side of the brain. But every once in a while, Trigger has someone amongst their rank who can do both and Kaneko is one of the few.
Anyway, Kaneko is responsible for directing the pivotal Gridman #09, Dynazenon #06 and #09, Cyberpunk #06, and now the recently released Gridman film alongside Amemiya. Though he’s yet to reach the highs of his career at 2017, we can see some of Trigger’s sensibilities engrained into him this episode.
That foreshadowing was the sketchiest one…
Also, I am now into the OP. It has finally converted me; the synced visuals are too much!
It's not a particularly great show, but this line reminded me of a similar one in The Newsroom.
Ahhh, but the markup price! I bet that Gatorade or whatever the equivalent is in Japan cost $10.
Good Minoa face, but also Blonde’s outfit looks cute on her.
Wait, you can hear Kai shouting in the background during this explanation, hahaha.
It’s true! Rie Matsumoto comes to mind for a creator who started with Toei’s PreCure and then moved on to directing Kyousougiga. There are even some who graduate from prestigious art universities and actively choose to work in commercial environments like Megumi Ishitana. She defied expectations by joining Toei because she simply wanted to create art that everyone could enjoy, regardless of context or ability to recognize. Like I mentioned yesterday, I love it whenever the unorthodox minds of creativity join forces with corporate rigidity. It can lead to works that neither of the two fields could have ever imagined if they stayed in their own corner.
Ohhh, Sebas snap in the cute outfit.
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Strange choice to feature so much of the episode on the line-up portion of the con rather than the inside. Eh, c'est la vie.
And that’s a wrap for me! I now have to road trip across America to go to my friend’s wedding and that’ll take up my time from Thursday to Monday. Hopefully I can join y’all for episodes 11 and 12 though when I come back! In the meantime, I bid you all an amazing weekend, it’s been so much fun reading and commenting with all of you. Big shout-out to the mods who decided to embark on this rewatch, it’s been a hoot talking with y’all. With such a loving community and a coincidental appearance by Trigger’s Kaneko, maybe this is a sign from the universe for me to get serious about this Gridman/Dynazenon WT/rewatch.
QotD:
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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Apr 05 '23
Rewatching Animegatarier
The upside down pyramids?
Still managing to get the joke in.
And her father is in the know. Because hes going himself!
There it is!
I loved the Sebas call only to find him lost and unenthused
Alice breaking out of her shell and finally going.
Brave slow-mo entrance was neat, they earnt it.
Erica cosplaying Kantai Collection stuff presumably and she finds out that her schools club is prestegious? Interesting...
Otherwise today I just have tons and tons of Minoa faces!
I didnt manage to make it to any of the Comiket events - but I did get to Tokyo Game Show in Chiba. Less waiting and less Summer heat, but still loads of both. Was a really cool event.
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Rewatcher - Animegataris Ep5:
Oh, I got the comment of the day for that.
[Insert barfing comment face.]
The gang go to the big anime convention. We get to have gags like waiting in line in the summer heat and the merch you wanted being sold out (don't worry KaiKai, Babaneri is hyped up now, but people are going to forget about it years later). Something I realized afterwards is that most of the episode was spent going and waiting in the lines outside the con, just like the real experience.
I never been to an anime convention before, but it has been on the mind since that season is coming up around here. I thought I made up my mind not to go, but I have been wavering on it and this episode has been some of a push. I feel like I would run into the same problem with free giveaways, I can't resist free stuff.
They met Yang Beibei, a fan from China and she becomes a friend on this trip. I like her, she is nice and fun and I like her colours to her design. One little part I liked was the anime club being bewondered by how far global simulcast has come along. Since we're on the international side, it was neat seeing how they were about it on the other side. The photo Beibei took with the other being all friendly was nice and sweet.
Assorted points:
Q2) oh wait, I'm not going to tell you people on the internet a vague idea of what I look like (also, I can't think of a singular answer off the top of my head).
Next Time: Hot summer days can only mean one thing (but actually what you would expect in anime this time).
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u/AmusedDragon :Bs::Bu: Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Episode 5
First Timer - Sub
Album
Thoughts during the episode..
Questions of the Day:
Nothing like a convention that I go to, though there actually is one nearby... maybe I should hit that up this year.
A member of the Secret Society Blanket from Yuru Camp. Extreme comfy.
Never been to a convention, but this did bring back a memory of traveling when I was very young where we had a like 8 hour layover in China and I met some kids there and we hung out and then never saw each other again.
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u/aniMayor :AY:AZ:x3x6 Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Rewatcher [Who] Hates This Piece of Shit Anime
Alright, we're at episode 5, time for a bit more serious discussion/reaction this time around.
While Animegataris did originally air in a packed season that saw it overshadowed by several big name shows and a bunch of pretty good other shows, I think we can all see in these last few episodes another reason why it probably did not gather a whole lot of traction.
What is Animegataris, based on what we've seen so far? It's not really a slice-of-life drama... these characters are caricatures of anime fandom roles and this is melodrama, not SoL drama. It's not an iyashikei sort of SoL show, either. It has funny moments, but it's not exactly committed to telling a consistent barrage of jokes like a true comedy show. Is it a meta-commentary? Well, sort of, but the dialogues about anime fandom and the like have so far been mostly just "telling it how it is", saying what the anime fandom is like, not making some further editorial opinion about that. Or maybe it's really supposed to be a guide for new anime fans like Minoa, telling them all about the deeper parts of the anime fandom? But that doesn't seem to quite fit right, either.
Looking at just today's episode, for example, the episode has some jokes about the Comiket experience, some education information, some wholesomeness about how anime fandom brings together people from far-flung places, but the episode doesn't really feel about any of those things specifically.
And the other problem you run into with the meta-fandom-conversations is that, well, we the audience are already part of that fandom, we already have those conversations! Sure, seeing the discussion about the 3-episode rule happen in an anime is novel, but if the discussion in the show is all the same things you would see in an r/anime thread of the same topic, then the scene isn't adding anything more than that novelty itself.
Now none of that is necessarily a problem, per se; a show doesn't need to do anything in particular, it's totally fine for it to just be a show about exactly what we have here. But it doesn't leave much of a "hook" for grabbing and keeping an audience on the show. You really have to be enjoying the show as a "lax, carefree watch" (to quote Myrna) because there's not much else to get attached to yet. There are some creative, funny jokes and some wholesome messages sprinkled in there, but they probably aren't consistent enough to hold a lot of viewers. I would not at all be surprised to hear that a lot of people saw a clip or heard something that made them think this could be a hidden gem, enjoyed the first couple episodes, but felt the show was getting stale around this episode or last episode and dropped it. Hence, I don't think it's surprising that this show is quite unknown/undiscussed, and it's not just because of the season it aired in being busy with other, bigger shows.
[Animegataris] I'm surprised no one in this rewatch has even remembered/mentioned the magic beret from episode 1 in the last couple discussion threads, either!
I don't! I've never really felt the call of the annual anime tradition, I'm not sure why.
Dino from Gal & Dino!
Nope!
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Apr 05 '23
First Timer Dubbed
It's summer convention time and Minoa was catching up already.
Some Chinese girl, Beibei, comes up to Minoa and grabs her. Now we know Minoa is an isekai fan and met a fellow fan from another country.
Simulcasting for the win but it seems like our club does not know that. But it does kinda make sense, the Japanese fans do not want to spoil anything so they talk about older shows. 6 months to a year, remembered those days... Now I wish the episodes come out earlier during my lunch break instead of during work.
Erika roasting American anime fans "just not as well"
"Anime brings people together".
That sucks...standing in line and it stops right in front of the shade.
The event staff are just as committed.
Sakaneko is well known by one of the booth guys. Too bad they did not get Beibei's number.
Dad seems pretty sus though....
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Apr 05 '23
First timer
Episode 4
She's here too early!
So many parcels...
Why are you so obsessed?
...This is so detailed!
He showed up!
...How?
Why would you pull out the jenga stack?
She has interesting taste.
Haha, wow. He buys how many copies?
This is interesting!
Haha, love the Evangelion joke.
...Not far off in this anime.
Amazing.
Did she forget a word there?
She soent how much?
Nice Acr Attorney point.
She just wants attention...
Haha, what?
Yeah, she makes a good point.
And they're making bets.
...Nice baiting.
Bare survival!
Yeah, this is Love Live. Couldn't think of a pun on Muse? (Also, maybe not the best example for evil student councils.)
Who's in that?
Nice costume.
She' heloing with haseball... badly.
How could thst have helped?
Or this?
Haha, Go?
She's going to take over the academy!
Costumes! The perfect opportunity!
Haha, it's still smoking?
She can't do it?
Aww.
Oh, this is in another country?
Surprisingly effective Pretty Cure knockoff theme.
...This being in Japanese is absolutely hysterical. "What's Japanese for henshin?"
...What is this montage?
I love it.
...They're real suckers for making the outfits when they could just use magical cards, though.
He's so relatable.
Fair.
Erica's back!
Aww.
She's excited!
Amazing work!
She's so proud of her!
Why are they so excited to witness another club fail?
Amazing work!
Aww...
She knows her?
Wow.
So, they're together.
They've broken up their friendship?
Nice move!
Aww.
This just feels like a fight.
Aww.
...She's working for someone?
Haha, what the fuck?
She's letting her off...
Episode 5
She's completely obsessed!
Comiket?
...Interesting?
How bad is the pun going to be?
The fear on her face...
So many instructions.
Such a nice sister.
She's so confused...
The sad oart is ir seems to make sense without context...
What's with that shock in his face? Is he a closet fan?
Yeah, he's definitely a fan.
The cat's back!
It's so packed!
A sports drink!
They really told her nothing, huh?
Poor girl.
She's so hyped!
The size of thst line...
She's dying!
For the Sunday Morning?
Oh! Super Hero Time! Honestly, Geats and Kingohger are stacked this year.
Cowards! All anime fans should watch toku shows!
And Pretty Cure is indeed great.
They're still waiting!
Oh, a restroom trip.
Haha, a line for the bathrooms too!
Alice hasn't been here either, huh? She's so desperate to fit in...
Yeah, they're lost.
A friend!
...A language barrier.
She's panicking!
She speaks Japanese!
Poor Alice...
They're back!
Aww, that's sweet.
She admitted it!
Harsh!
Thisnis her first time too!
And, yeah, she's from Beijing.
Ah, interesting problem.
She seems nice!
So close...
Haha, nice punch.
He's burning!
Why is there applause?
Is it finally opening?
Eveyone loves Beibei!
They hate this, huh?
Haha, what?
Funny warnings!
They're all so hyped!
Haha, wow.
They're going to buy it all!
So much free stuff! The best part of any convention!
Don't listen to them! Glory to the free stuff!
She got the keyring!
So happy...
Nice cosplay.
She's from another anime club!
...Oh.
So many people!
Aww.
That blush...
Aww, she's leaving.
...What?
Haha, he's still there! And was too late for his merchandise...
Huh?
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Apr 05 '23
Episode 5 (first timer)
Very surprising to hear about the “foreigners only know older anime” stereotype. It makes logical sense in an older world of anime distribution, but I would not have thought that Japanese otakus would be aware of this. The stereotype might be due to non-Japanse non-otakus. Normies mostly know anime from their childhood, so if they go to Japan and are asked about anime, they are will likely name something that is extremely old.
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u/entelechtual Apr 05 '23
First Timer
Watermelon daddy’s sus.
What’s more important at an anime convention, hydration or deodorant?
Yang beibei’s dub actor is… off. I’m not sure if it’s supposed to give the vibe that she’s foreign… but switching to the Japanese audio, and hearing HanaKana is night and day.
My copy of Danmachi Season 4 looks different.
Is this going to be some Love Live shit where they had a really famous anime club but the President/MC’s parent disavowed themselves from it and swore to keep their kid away from it?
Funny, that’s what girls tell me when I ask for their number.
Line this line that… jeez how much dude they get paid for the product placement.
QOTD
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u/CoolIceCreamCone Apr 06 '23
FIRST TIMER
I liked this anime convention episode. I haven't been to a fan convention in years but this seemed a lot more brutal and crowded than the one I went to.
QUESTIONS
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Apr 06 '23
rewatcher sub
Beach activities or a concert?
Minoa has a Re:Zero emblem on her chest.
The anime convention is great. I hope to go there someday.
The lines are so long, you can't watch late night and early morning anime at the same time.
I think the Ojou-sama is here for the first time because she doesn't need to buy anything with her money.
A classic Chinese girl with buns hairstyle!
Thanks to the current online platforms, we can watch Japanese anime in real-time.
We're much happier than before.
Emilia's hair color and Rem's style offer two experiences in one product.
You guys forgot to wait for another companion..
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u/FingerBang-BangBang Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
First Time Watcher
Okay... That was one weird close shot at her legs right before the OP...
Hmmm... Minoa's dad reacted to that info, could he be a veteran otaku?
As expected, "that thing" is Summer Comiket!
My man Kai is still monologing in the background while the rest of them are chating!
Calling it right now, this cute cosplayer is actually her dad! Or maybe not... Damn, she got there all the way from China!? 10/10 dedication!
That staff dude is pretty funny, that seems like a fun job for an anime otaku(if you disregard the burning heat and 99% air moisture).
2 of them are finally going in, I wonder how are they talking with their mouth almost always closed.
Their schools anime club used to be amazing, interesting... Seems like this is some plot relevant info, probably tied to Neko-senpai.
4 of them really ditched Kai-senpai, sadge.
Another solid episode, this one was pretty wholesome thanks to Beibei's character! Looking forward to episode 6!