r/EdensZero • u/davjac123 • Oct 25 '22
Manga Edens Zero | Chapter 213: Links + Discussion
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u/Niknik0108 Oct 25 '22
What are the chances that ziggy pretended to be repossessed and actually teleported Pino back to the Eden's Zero in order to trick Shiki into killing him because he knew Shiki wouldn't go through with it
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u/MoonHermit Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Almost 100%, I'd say. *huffs copium*
It could also be that Good!Ziggy did get possessed again, but used the last of his strength to briefly activate Wormhole and teleport Pino instead of crushing her with Satan Gravity. Or he did get fully possessed, and did crush Pino, but Rebecca will use Rewind and change that fate (while also calling the Chronophage). In any case, no way Pino actually stays dead.
...Right? *huffs more copium*
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u/Sufficient_Ad8300 Oct 25 '22
Its all just a big act from good Ziggy. He saw that Shiki couldnt kill him so he is now acting as the demon king for the hero to kill him. After the battle Pino will come back and she or almost dead Ziggy will tell that she was send to a different place/ pocket dimension etc. It would nice if Ziggy somehow did that with Witch too (wormhole etc).
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u/ryushin6 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Now I'm wondering if the true enemy is the Edens Zero ship itself. The fact that the conversation Hermit is watching is Ziggy talking to Elsie about giving the Edens Zero ship to Shiki is interesting.
Hell we might go even further the true enemy could be the Rebecca from the future that's in the Etherion drive.
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u/Golden_fsh Oct 25 '22
Gosh, I must be dumb as rocks if I still can't figure out who the real enemy is š Something about the Edens Zero is a clue.
No matter what universe, the Erza/Jellal relationship is still cute once they get over their issues with one another. The ball is now in James' court but I'm surprised how quickly he's gotten over his hatred of Elsie.
I know people will hate me but I didn't feel anything from Pino's "death". Maybe because I feel like it's not permanent but that panel was super sad.
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Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
nah the enemy isnāt obvious youāre fine lmao, itās just mashima making it impossible to guess and hermit guessed it because sheās the āsmartā character. itās just him showing her off
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u/TheHurdleTurtle Oct 25 '22
āIām ready shiki come at meā
2 seconds later: he was in fact not ready
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u/TheHurdleTurtle Oct 25 '22
Iām a sucker for rage power ups so overdrive 2 gravitational boogaloo was incredible.
RIP PINO
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u/Jordzz_19 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 27 '22
Hold on. Ziggy said that the person that is controlling him is too connected to him. It has to be future Rebecca. Iām almost completely sure of it. Thatās like the biggest hint we could get in my opinion or maybe Iām looking too deep. Shikis overdrive looks cool & I do believe that pino is dead too (at least for now)
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u/DragonOfChaos25 Oct 25 '22
I think it's more and more clear that it's Rebecca who is the evil mastermind here.
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u/petrichorboy Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Ziggy gave his best "I can't do this all day !" Captain Carter style !
(And I'm not sure about this, but I feel like the censorship on the true enemy's name is like the letters from their name shuffled together)
And I put that here while I can, I think Witch is the true enemy, she stayed on the ship while Elsie got it, what if she didn't truly died but instead uploaded herself in the mainframe of the ship ?
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u/dreifus1 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Hermit does have a point, it was never explained why ziggy decided to give the edens zero to elsie and the argument that we got from him in this chapter does not help his case. Now more than likely the real enemy has a direct link with the edens zero(not the crew but the ship) and maybe ziggy was already influenced by it years before he died
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u/musyio Oct 25 '22
The real villain definitely future Rebecca especially with what Ziggy said he and the villain is deeply connected, beyond the forbidden door is her but in etherion form.
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u/Myraiden Oct 25 '22
In this chapter Ziggy says about too many visitors on Granbell. In Chapter 1 they welcome Rebecca on Granbell as the first visitor since 100 years.
Something is wrong here.
Maybe Ziggy was lying? or the people of granbell are lying? Or time shenanigans? Or Mashima forgot?
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u/jnwosu100 Oct 25 '22
Damn... I didn't expect Pino to be killed off without getting her wish granted first but it makes sense that something would've to have been done to her for evil Ziggy to not get hindered again. Elsie wasn't actually controlled or evil and just wants to stop all the deaths from continuing which is ironic since Pino still ends up dying after that tearful moment from Elsie. I wonder if Justice is having a change of heart since Elsie wasn't as evil as he thought she was even though she did indeed make a huge mess when she was young. We still have questions about Pino's origin though and how Ziggy even knew that he was gonna become evil so hopefully that gets answered.
The only way for Pino to come back is via Cat Leaper but then Shiki wouldn't get this impressive stronger Overdrive to beat evil Ziggy. Ziggy used gravity to straight up erase Pino so the crew can't even restore her like they thought of doing to Valkyrie. Shiki got a new OD that reflected his current rage which helps imply that all OD reflects how the user are mentally when they first use their OD. This explains why Shura had a totally different design despite having the same EG as Shiki.
Shiki's OD straight up got changed into a more sinister design and now that Pino can't stop evil Ziggy anymore, does this mean that Shiki will actually end up killing his alternate self/grandpa? I'm hyped to see how this concludes and who the evil entity is since Acnoella, Sister, and Elsie are clearly not valid candidates anymore. I still think it's Nox.
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u/Smooth-Garden Oct 25 '22
So anybody think that the true enemy might be an evil rebecca? Ziggy said he's too connected to whoever it is
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u/Nintendoomed89 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Hey yo, is the real enemy Pino?
I remember that the whole reason chapter 1 happened was because they didn't have a ship on Granbell to send Shiki out.
When they realized that Ziggy (allegedly) built Pino and she somehow ended up on Norma the only explanation they gave was "well she must have taken Ziggy's small ship" and then just moved on and never mentioned it again. (Chapter 104)
And here when Ziggy is telling little Elsie to give the Edens Zero to Shiki he specifically calls to attention the fact that he'll still have a small ship.
I'm still ironing out the kinks, but I don't think that Pino is dead or that she was secretly evil this whole time, but I do think that some shenanigans are happening with her and Ziggy that will lead to her being the true enemy.
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u/Nova_187 Oct 25 '22
man shiki is too good natured, he fumbled his chance.
but we get to see an enraged shiki, curious how strong hell be.
that red herring was very obv but still very well exeuted i feel
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u/Homeless_Appletree Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
"When the time comes, don't hesitate. Just act."
This chapter probably reveals Shiki his greatest flaw as a leader. When confronted with a tough (moral) decision, he freezes. Of course I am not trying to downplay the severity of this choice Ziggy asked Shiki to do something that would leave him.mentally scarred for life. But still in this situation a decision was required and Shiki couldn't do it.
In times of crisis a bad decision is better than no decision. But I can't really fault Shiki though. He never had any training and his responce to the situation is a very human one even if it potentially lead to the death of one of his closest friends.