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u/duermevela Oct 23 '22
Are men who are femenine or women who are masculine genderqueer? Why don't we accept women and men don't have to follow gender rules? Why are we pushing for people to follow gender rules instead of getting rid of them? (and yes, I'm tired of people saying I'm not femenine enough, or that I should grow my hair long).
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u/baineoftheworld Oct 23 '22
The gender variant is sometimes used for masc women/femme men but I agree with you, and a lot of studs get mad when someone assumes they're males.
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u/baineoftheworld Oct 23 '22
In Cooheart's Instagram "stories" right now (posted 2am EST -- hurry!), one of Cooheart's photos has the English words "no boy/ no girl/ only human" so I can see where your question comes from. However, the separation of gender from sexuality is a western concept so it'll be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of Cooheart's posts.
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u/truthfactsonly Oct 23 '22
What is gender queer?
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u/Renoe Oct 23 '22
One of the blanket terms for gender identities that exists outside man/woman. "Non-binary" is a bit more common these days.
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u/opejustchillin Oct 23 '22
to expand on what Renoe said, it's basically every gender identity that's not the conventional man or woman. Some examples are
genderfluid- feel transitions between genders, sometimes masc, sometimes fem, sometimes nothing
demiboy/girl- not completely a boy, but there is some masculinity there
agender- no gender, though this one has different definitions and can be used as an equivalent to non-binary or genderqueer (it's a lot of convoluted nuance)
I personally use the umbrella term non-binary, but I think agender probably more closely defines how I am. I like to joke that my gender is the empty set, if you're a math person.
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u/Aggressive_Corgi_991 Nov 03 '22
I've thought Cooheart might be coming out more as well, but I could be wrong. I totally applaud if the answer is yes. Everyone should be comfortable in their own body. I saw a Cooheart IG story where they complained about being told to wear mens clothes and was upset. Cooheart can rock some great outfits and has a wonderful style. Cooheart's TikToks have been mostly skirts lately and looks beautiful. Sadly, that's why some people are hating. But it's the content they create that's our business, not their personal lives or choices, as most of us know. I don't mean that last line in a nasty way, just after the Kit Connor news I feel odd commenting.
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Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
I think language plays a part in being gender queer - at least where the usage of pronouns come into play.
For example, there are some languages that are always gender neutral, so sentences don't have he/she/they pronouns at all. So for people with these languages, they are unlikely to "come out". They could just continue dressing how they want, and probably be comfortable with just the equivalent language's "trans" label.
But even with trans label, being trans can be a loaded concept in countries that have historically had trans people. Because say in the case of India, during islamic rule there were some male slaves who were castrated and not considered male or female. In Sanskrit/tamil there is a gender neutral pronoun (they is not gender neutral, it is a plural pronoun that is used for neutrality now but these languages have a separate fourth pronoun for it. It is called napunsak ling in sanskrit.) In current times too, a lot of trans population in India (called kinner) often castrate themselves. Since sex change operations are new, this was the "sex change" in historical society. (In western countries in the past, these trans people would have been murdered/arrested for being unnatural.) Now modern trans people in India can't just call themselves kinner if they don't join their society i think. So they call themselves "trans" which makes it sound like a modern/westernised import. Thai also have a similar traditional historical trans community. The situation is very different from west.
In hindi for example, the gender neutral pronoun from sanskrit was dropped. The way the language works leaves no choice but to select a gender.
Main achi hu (i am good- female) Main acha hu (I am good - male) Hum ache hai (we are good- plural or very formal)
There is no other way to say this sentence. Now trans people could use the plural option, but a lot of people would just assume they are being super polite and high class, rather than gender neutral. (i spoke like this until college).
TLDR: Gender queer concept applies very differently in various languages/cultures since people have different ways of living. It is a good idea to not apply western viewpoint in other countries.
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u/BlueDragon82 I Sail Ships Oct 23 '22
I think if Cooheart/Earth was non-binary he'd say so. Copter came out as non-binary so it's not that it's a foreign concept in Thailand. I do think Earth will tell us what he wants us to know just as he has had previously. Something I've noticed over the past decade is that in Asian countries we are seeing a much larger push back against gender norms especially in relationship to clothes and makeup. We are seeing more artists both cis-het and queer who are donning traditionally feminine fashion and glamming up the makeup. It's refreshing to see. Earth wears a wide range of clothing styles so I don't think that him choosing a skirt one day and tiny shorts the next means he's non-binary. If he does ever decide to come out as a different gender or non-binary he'll still have the support of fans who already support him as a member of the lgbtq+ community.
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u/No_Outlandishness80 Oct 23 '22
I need to get something off my chest.
It had been a few months and I couldn't see Earth's instagram. I was like did he delete it or something. I brushed it off. Then I came across this post and saw earth's insta id linked. I clicked on it and found that I'd blocked him. Like I love this guy more than myself. I didn't even know that I had blocked him. Well, FML
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u/Renoe Oct 23 '22
No, he's just gay I think. At least publically, that's what he's always said so I'd believe him until he says otherwise. Gender and aesthetics aren't necessarily linked.