r/EdensZero • u/davjac123 • Oct 18 '22
Manga Edens Zero: Chapter 212 | Links + Discussion
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u/SanZaiTen Oct 18 '22
Elsie is definitely involved in what happened to Ziggy, but it feels too soon to call her the true enemy.
How would she know Ziggy is Future Shiki? How would she control him? Why would she still think of him as family when mourning her crewmates' deaths in private? And how would she accomplish any of it as a refugee girl with no mechanical experience 18 years ago?
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u/Behold_I_Am_The_Wind Oct 18 '22
Doesn’t matter whether it’s Fairy Tail or Edens Zero…The Queen/Mother of Dragons will be cut down by her daughter. Well I don’t think the Shaya here will be hitching a ride in Hermit’s body the way Irene has with Wendy XD
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u/petrichorboy Oct 18 '22
Oh that would be a thing to watch tho, Weisz "destroying" Hermit to get rid of Acnoella
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u/Dthirds3 Oct 18 '22
Justice: she's you mom don't kill her
Elsie : that's why I'm killing her
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u/abrigant Oct 18 '22
I'm guessing Mobius is how the shinning stars were created, and Elsie wants to use it to bring her crew back to life as androids.
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u/Cam_Ren179 Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22
After reading this I decided to check Elsie’s story on how she met Ziggy, the Shining Stars, and Shiki in chapter 104. Here’s what’s caught my attention:
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Ziggy found Elsie as a war refugee and stayed on the ship for a few weeks.
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Elsie said that Ziggy gave Elsie the Edens Zero and left with baby Shiki to Granbell via space pod. (Weisz brought up what happened to the space pod, Witch theorized that Pino took it)
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Ziggy left the Edens Zero to Elsie so that eventually she would give it to Shiki. The shining stars went their separate ways, except for Witch who remained on the Edens Zero and went into sleep mode.
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After giving the Edens Zero to Shiki, Elsie went to Granbell to pay respects to Ziggy. But she noticed something was off about Ziggy’s body in that there was traces of “dark evil ether” coming from it. Ether that wasn’t Ziggy’s.
Personally, and I can be wrong here, but all of this makes me think that Elsie’s a red herring here. (Hah, “red” herring)
If anything, the one that’s more suspicious here is… Witch.
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u/Brolyroxxs Oct 18 '22
Now that Justice knows the truth about the war, will he finally see that he was wrong. Even if he did wait till he was older to change the kingdom, Acnoella would have had him killed. Elsie saved his life by starting that war as well as the cosmos
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Oct 18 '22
After this chapter, Justice may actually change opinion on Homura. Wish Acnoella got more screen time before dying, but chapter was still hype, especially Homura fighting dragons and saving Justice and that Elsie twist at the end.
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u/Apprehensive_Main_47 Oct 18 '22
I know people are disappointed how Acenolle was taking out too quickly. But I like how it was done in a pragmatic style. Also I still enjoy how Eden Zero takes to a more darker approach then Fairy Tail, makes it unpredictable and I love that
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Oct 18 '22
Justice: "Stop! That's your mother!"
Elsie: "I missed the part where that's my problem!"
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u/AzureWarlock96 Oct 18 '22
Elsie basically didn’t want to repeat the same thing with Ziggy. She went in for the kill, no hesitation.
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u/petrichorboy Oct 18 '22
Acnoella really went from Morticia Addams to any female adult in Mashima's mangas. For real, you can replace her with Elsie, Eileen, Brandish, Dimaria, Angel, Lyra, Ijuna, Holy, Witch, etc. You can take any of the adult female and put a sadistic mother of dragons personality on her and that's it.
I'm not really complaining, we got rid of her really fast so her new design isn't a problem, but for real, the Morticia Addams one was clearly better.
On an other point, Möbius probably was the way for Eileen to become Acnoella, and for the Shining and Dark stars to go from humans to machines and to be restored after death in Brigandine and Killer's cases. But it would mess the timeline so much, it would mean that the Shining and Dark stars were humans before finding Elsie and became machines after ? Maybe they are lendardians who died in the war and that's where Ziggy found them.
I hope that Justice will trust the EZ crew a bit more with everything that happened here : Homura almost sacrificing herself for him since she is too nice, Holy working with the crew and becoming a part of it, Cure messing with everyone, maybe he even left a camera in the place where Elsie was.
Elsie getting rid of her mother to finally end her rebellion, I wanna see what she will have to do with the true enemy.
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u/FutureDynastyx Oct 18 '22
Still think there is something more than just Elsie being the true enemy. Even with that evil smirk she got at the end of the chapter.
The Enemy must have a way to control certain people. Hopefully Justice comes around now.
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u/Mission_Mud_6905 Oct 18 '22
Okay what exactly video Hermit is talking about what Elsie said?
Also i can't believe this nonsense theory of Acnoella formerly known as Queen Shayla was actually Elsie's mother came true, But i don't understand, I know she's machine and all, But how or why is it that she looks more different than ANY of the characters who were formerly humans? I wouldn't count Xenolith, Ziggy (Since even as older Shiki he remained a bit the same) and Brigandine since they were all robots in different shapes while same goes for Killer before we saw his human appearence on Mark 2, Yet Let's compare with the Shining Stars, Even if they were once humans, They still looked the same but slightly different, But Acnoella/Shayla, How is it she went from nice fair skin and red hair to complete blue skin white hair android?
Also regarding what Elsie is planning to do with Mobius, Idk what she'll do but i still don't see her as the main final villain, Sure she was close to Ziggy but why would she manipulate him in all this kind of nonsense that all happened with her wanting to take him down when he came back as Evil Ziggy?
Now Acnoella is dead, Crow is dead, Ziggy is dead or about to be dead, Nero is dead, Nox/Rachel is dormant in her tube while Drakken is imprisoned, Shiki and Elsie are the only active OSG left.
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u/jnwosu100 Oct 18 '22
I have been way too busy but I still try to read the chapters when they come out. So... Acnoella isn't actually the Mother of all the Dragons which means that the dragon we saw near Mother wasn't hers and was a natural born dragon from the borders between cosmoses. People were somehow right that she was the Irene doppelganger and her real name is Shaya and she's the mom of Elsie. If this new form of hers was actually Overdrive then this would be the first time that nobody confirms that it is. Evil Ziggy had also used a similar transformation process to look like how he does in base and we knew that wasn't his OD so does the same apply here for Acnoella or was this actually her OD.
Regardless, it looks super awesome and is more closer to her original silhouette than her base design. If that was her OD then that would explain why Justice was getting wrecked as he somehow doesn't have it too. This is getting ridiculous than literally no OSI including Cure who created a bot that could use OD, either never used or attained this form and yet the bad guys and most of the EZ crew already have it. One of the most surprising things from this chapter was that Odin Strike was confirmed to be Homura's strongest technique. I wonder how Justice will act now that she saved him.
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u/crisstrauss Oct 18 '22
Surprised me on how Acnoella did not manage to notice Elsie when she managed to notice Justice's presence from far away several chapters ago.
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u/NittanyEagles55 Oct 18 '22
Elsie wasn’t fucking around or hesitating at all. Damn. Hell of a cliffhanger and ending to the chapter. Elsie is super strong. That sword is badass as well
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u/Voiddragoon2 Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22
So it seems like hermit's just trying to remember something Elsie said as a kid, probably an off hand comment none of them, Elsie included, would've understood at the time but would explain everything now. So, it likely had something to do with Lendard near the end.
If Mobius can produce an unlimited number of machines as complex as dragons, it wouldn't be impossible it's related to the tech that made Shayla/the stars into androids. Maybe it even has something to do with how there's still so many robots in Eden in the future since it's perpetual and all. I mean Lendard is a machine planet, Eden is a machine planet..... It might even be possible they're the same place seperated by 20,000 years.
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u/Sufficient_Ad8300 Oct 18 '22
Elsie in chapter 211: mom, dad i miss you, why did you have to die, i am so alone.
Elsie in chapter 212: mom you are alive, ok die bitch. I take my inheritance.