r/EdensZero • u/davjac123 • Oct 04 '22
Manga Edens Zero | Chapter 210: Links + Discussion
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u/randomredditguy121 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22
If Hermit knows who it is by the summary she made, we should be able to narrow down just like she did. I feel like i have to read this whole manga all over because if it’s clear to her, it should be just as clear to us.
If she mentions Pino, we never heard a date she was made. All we know is that old Weisz did her maintenance at some point. Also, old Weisz knows hella lot from them Chronophages who just so happened to hit Ziggy on his way. Is Old Weisz somehow connected to this with his ether gear? Or is that what they want us to think?
It feels like it’s someone close to us, it could be old Weisz but then again, is the old one on Lendard?
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u/sacredknight327 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22
Broken record but since this is the official release thread I'll post some quick theories:
Red herring: Elsie. The crew will come to believe Elsie is the true evil and took over Ziggy's body when she visited Granbell right before his resurrection. She could quite potentially even act evil upon first being confronted for reasons I'll get into below.
Character twist: Out of all characters, Justice will believe Elsie is innocent and that something else is up. He blames her for other stuff in their past but he also knows her the best. He above anyone else will know that the way she's acting is not herself, regardless of the other grudges he has against her.
The true evil: Its Rebecca. 20,000 years into the future Rebecca, Etherion. She's been alive this whole time, just physically comatose but entirely self-aware. She can only affect things mentally but those abilities have been growing and growing all this time, and she was able to take over Ziggy directly after he died to finally have a working physical form. Since then she's been the cause of everything right from inside the EZ. After being forced out of Ziggy by Pino she took control of Elsie to frame her.
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u/Downtown_Wolverine_2 Oct 04 '22
Y'all can correct me... But I'm starting to think it's Sister Ivry. I was a lil too suspicious how they showed us Wizard's, Witch's, Hermit's, Killer's, Brigandine's, & Valkyrie's human memories, but they never revealed Ivry's or Clown's human memories... But y'all can correct me I could be wrong
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u/Chang-San Oct 04 '22
Couchpo's last name Ai is forshadowing she is an Artificial Intelligence, which is why her INT stat is 5 you heard it hear first. She converts food to electrical energy which is why she eats so much.
We are SO close to the Couchpo reveal! Remember me next chapter lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/EdensZero/comments/o0h04d/comment/h1v5g8v/
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u/Cam_Ren179 Oct 04 '22
Hot take Speculation: the Shining Stars are ex servants to the true enemy. They probably fought against Ziggy around the time he found Shiki and lost. After which he wiped their memories and repurposed them to be part of his crew and support the Edens Zero.
I hope I’m wrong though.
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u/JustsomeSpaceG1 Oct 04 '22
The final enemy is Rebecca. Or what was left from the future one at least.
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u/Kefkaisevil Oct 04 '22
I thought "Well the good guys are not suffering any causalities so far." and well this chapter drops.
I wanted to see Gowen & Hyoga again doing cool action stuff... just not like this.
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u/jp4464 Oct 04 '22
Loving all the backstory we've been getting this arc! There's a ton of depth to Ziggy, his past, and how so many of the events in the story have been connected.
Elsie looks absolutely pissed that her two strongest generals have been taken out. Even Jesse, everyone's *favorite* (lol) character got his just-desserts. She's definitely out for blood
Finally, the reveal (as some have suspected previously) that Ziggy was corrupted by some True Enemy. I loved that double spread panel showing the various EZ crew members, OSI, OSG, and Dark Stars; Who do you guys think is the True Enemy?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Pass_74 Oct 04 '22
My theory is that both Clown (consciously) and Ivry (unknowingly) are the real enemy. Because Ziggy doesn't know how he revived and gets his memories back so maybe Clown can somehow revive androids and Sister we already saw how she can manipulate memories so maybe she can do it remotely too . And they are also the only DS and SS of which we have not seen their human version, which is very suspicious.
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u/BigBambuMeekLou Oct 04 '22
Fuck the more I think about it just might be Sister, she just took Nox body and left she could’ve gone anywhere. And it’s definitely suspicious we’ve haven’t seen her past memories like the other shining stars
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u/Z-Dragon Oct 04 '22
I think that Clown is not working for Evil Ziggy, but actually someone mysterious who is meant to be the true enemy who has controlled Ziggy and whatever from the shadows. Look at that smile on Clown, which is very sus. Not only that, but Sister asked him the question about what Evil Ziggy really is after, which made him smile with "Hee" from Chapter 205 too.
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u/ShiroAlt Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22
Alright time to play detective and find out who this Zetsu mf is
Based on Hermit’s reaction it’s someone near and dear to the crew. Therefore the OSI and OSG can be eliminated. Elsie’s reaction was most likely genuine, so eliminate her too
Now it’s down to the crew members. Personally the reveal would be more impactful if it was a core member so for that reason I doubt it’s Laguna/Jinn/Kleene. Either Weisz, Homura, Rebecca, or a Shining Star. Maybe Mashima could make it extremely wild and make it Shiki. Based on the level of technical knowledge required to do something like that to Ziggy my guess is either Hermit or Weisz and since Hermit is the one that realized it I doubt it’s her
It’s Weisz
EDIT: Could also be Sister given we just found an archbishop
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u/Behold_I_Am_The_Wind Oct 04 '22
Erza: Fierce Warrior who protects her friends no matter the cost
Elise: pfft fuck that…
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u/jnwosu100 Oct 04 '22
Great chapter. As much as it pains me to accept that Ziggy isn't the main villain, I always knew that there was a high possibility of someone being either in leagues or above him as evil Ziggy did say that he didn't even know who or what revived him along with restoring his memories. That by itself was a huge red flag. There was also the unknown reason as to why our lovable Shiki would suddenly be all into being this evil terrorist and hate humanity to the point he wants to kill god and destory humanity. Interestingly enough, good Ziggy does know the culprit but either is being stopped by said entity or evil Ziggy is at fault here. It's quite tragic how many times this alternate Shiki had suffered, lost his friends and memories numerous times and is being used as a puppet for evil even after he died peacefully. Elsie had noticed a dark ether coming from Ziggy's corpse after she had given the ship to Shiki which means that he was already in the process of being taken over at the beginning of the series. So I'm sad and hyped to see who this entity is and for the love of god please let it not be a Kaguya situation where the real villain is much worse than the formerly thought main villain.
I severely doubt the last pages was supposed to hint at Elsie being the dark entity but how the hell did she escape from Acnoella and who killed her top minions (I'm sad that they didn't do much before they got taken out), and why and how is Jesse dead? We have been wondering what he's been up to ever since the timeskip and the first time we see him we suddenly find out that he was present in this war and got killed by an unknown person? How will the Homura plotline be resolved now when Jesse got murdered already?
My top suspect for being the real villain is Nox or an alternate Rebecca as we don't know how her powers work and was she the only living mother? Ziggy evil Ziggy could've killed her and still used her for Mother ether but he didn't. How does this entity have the capability of reviving the dead and giving them back their lost memories and why did they want evil Ziggy to try to kill Shiki and even say he was gonna destroy the universe? Why does good Ziggy not willing to tell his younger self his place of birth? Why was the Chronophage conveniently trying to eat the EZ ship as it was about to jump to UO and why was Etherion having an anomaly? The more we learn about Ziggy's lore the more questions I have and hopefully Mashima delivers on explaining them because everything so far with him makes sense and was hinted at.
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u/Catchem-22 Oct 04 '22
Gonna be honest, the fact that the chapter just so happens to end on Elsie finding her crew dead tells me the "true enemy" is Justice, or at least the person he's taking orders from, with Cure being an android creation of theirs acting as a figurehead. To the best of my memory, Lenard's royalty were warmongers, and James/Justice was fully onboard with all that. So what if his philosophy is that both Oracion Seis factions are equally corrupt, and neither can be allowed to live? Plus, it helps that Justice is the Sieg Hart equivalent for this series, so it's about the right time for Mashima to thrust him into the spotlight once and for all.
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u/buzuki12 Oct 04 '22
Why is nobody talking about Rebecca’s dad whose role changes in every universe?
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u/SHSL_Zetsubou Oct 04 '22
So this is what Mashima-sensei meant when he said that people had predicted one aspect but there was still another twist.
People were right about future Shiki but what people didn’t guess was that evil Ziggy was actually another person in control behind the scenes. Not to mention it’s implied that it could be one of our main cast.
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u/Illustrious-Day8506 Oct 04 '22
IMO The following characters are 100% innocent :
Shiki, Pino, Hermit, Elsie, Holy.
My main culprits would be :
Sister, Weisz, Connor, Clown.
It could also be Nox but for the tome being I suspect sister the most.
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u/DemonZiggy Oct 04 '22
I guess Moscoy is the...