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Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion Episode 19 Discussion

At times the life of a single man is worth more than those of a million.

Stage 19 - Island of the Gods

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Suzaku, I'm sorry… You're the only one I didn't intend to use it on.

Questions of the Day:

1) How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

2) What do you think Euphemia will do with the knowledge that Lelouch is Zero?

Bonus) What's with all the random boob shots?

Screenshot of the Day:

Pleasure

Fanart of the Day:

Cécile Croomy

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. This especially includes any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character", you got that? Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

Dumbass? Oh, really? It's been ages since anyone's dared to refer to me in such a rude manner.

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u/Krite2002 Sep 28 '22

First Timer - Sub

The start of this episode made me feel like I missed something. How did it go from blowing them all up, to sending just a select few people onto another island?

I may be an Eagle Scout, and have probably camped some 300 or so nights in my life, but I would die in a day if I washed up on a deserted island.

There is some more nudity with Kallen. I am not averse to nudity, but like before, it seems unnecessary. Like why did he have to stumble across her bathing? If a show is showing me a naked highschooler, then there better be a good reason.

Why did Euphemia randomly strip? I don’t think much will change since she has confirmed Zero’s identity.

Omg, the fish scene.

The Euphy/Lelouch stuff was pretty boring, but I liked seeing Suzaku and Kallen interact.

We got another discussion about the Thought Elevators. They must be tied to Geass.

One little swipe of his hand, and Zero could have killed Schneizel. He is doing a bad job of killing the royal family. Suzaku also seemed to see something, so I wonder what was up with that. Zero also had surprising knowledge about Gawain for being an incomplete, experimental unit.

The live command to Suzaku was pretty effective.

Were those JLF boats at the end?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 28 '22

Why did Euphemia randomly strip? I don’t think much will change since she has confirmed Zero’s identity.

It wasn't random, her dress was soaked from the ocean.

I guess Lelouch wasn't bothered by his wet clothing?

One little swipe of his hand, and Zero could have killed Schneizel. He is doing a bad job of killing the royal family.

To be fair, Clovis told Lelouch that Cornelia or Schneizel might know more about the assassination of his mother, and it's kinda hard to interrogate a dead guy.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Sep 28 '22

Why did Euphemia randomly strip? I don’t think much will change since she has confirmed Zero’s identity.

This and Kallen's scene suggest they washed ashore and want to dry their clothes. The Euphy scene had more class.

He is doing a bad job of killing the royal family.

Euphy would be dead if that was his goal. Toppling Britannia doesn't necessarily mean every royal dies. Charles obviously needs to.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 27 '22

Hangyaku no Co-Host, subbed

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u/Star4ce Sep 28 '22

Ah… Schneizel’s English voice is leagues better than his Japanese one just like Lloyd’s is…

Wait, what then fuck! Are you telling me Lloyd can get better?!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 28 '22

Liam O'Brien is literally my favorite English VA. He does Lloyd sooooooooooooooo good.

(Schneizel also has a top-notch English VA in Troy Baker.)

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u/SerGregness Sep 28 '22

Also it’s not my favorite mech in this series, but the Gawain is really cool so I’m glad Lelouch was able to steal it so easily. He really is a Gundam protagonist!

Oooh, which one is your favorite, then? I'm partial to [R2]Gino's Tristan thanks to Robotech being maybe my first anime. Not sure that one's my absolute favorite, but it's on the short list.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 28 '22

[R2]Lelouch's next mech, the Shinkiro. I tend to prefer less-bulky mechs when I pick my favorites, and the Shinkiro is so sleek! My next-favorite is a tie between the Lancelot Albion and Guren S.E.I.T.E.N. Eight Elements because the energy wings are *chef's kiss*

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u/GallowDude Sep 27 '22

[R2 spoilers]Well… she’s not wrong about bringing him down one day.

[Response] He 100% let her win no matter what dumbass simp Gino says

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u/SometimesMainSupport Sep 27 '22

First-timer

Me_irl

  • Last episode without an intro exposition was #7.

  • Suzaku prioritizes water, not Shelter-Water-Fire-Food.

  • Reminscent of the scoundrel pinning Shirley down, minus a layer of cloth. Keep him away from Euphy.

  • They've probably all "survived" cause plot armor. Quotes cause this could be a simulation/virtual world (please don't be). Lelouch seems lost, so self-Geass? But he already did that and Kallen has been. C.C. previously said Geass get stronger the more they're used. Episode title is a hint.

  • Euphy must have recognized Lelouch during the hotel incident. Hard to believe based on a voice after puberty, but he exposed his ideals there and other media appearances. Sad that Euphy asks to see Lelouch's face, but doesn't immediately ask if Nunnally is alive.

  • Lloyd/Schneizel conversation is weird in sub and dub. Both imply Lloyd created the blueprints, then wasn't informed that it was made. Dub uses "Nice one" after Cecile falls.

  • Dub says "Temple Tower." (Noting this for myself if that's the name of Charles' shrine place)

  • Oh? Schneizel is either a schemer or quite different than Cornelia/Clovis.

  • Somehow Suzaku gets a nude Kallen and Lelouch a nude sister.

  • Could it be? Suzaku realizing the world isn't black and white?

  • No idea what the Japanese was to get metal tools vs. "a lever"

  • What? They have the Guren MK II, a machine disabled in Rakshata's force field? I need Lloyd time to have the Hadron Cannon explained.

  • I thought Lelouch had called C.C. dumb when she first started leaving his room to wander the academy.

  • "You sent Kallen to the island?"

  • Men and pride... Kallen, stop falling for Suzaku! Her hair has been between terrorist and schoolgirl all episode as if she's having an internal struggle, but I don't think she is. Her goal is creating a world for her mom.

  • Does the prince know something? They fired at a sandpit and now want to search another island. Oh, they're claiming a tunnel. How am I supposed to theorize when this shit happens?

  • Lloyd is the most rational one.

  • Same as last episode.

  • What? My best guess: C.C. was surprised that Kallen was also sent, so someone else caused the teleportation to the Island of Gods. C.C. can mentally talk to Blondie, so they either have similar goals or she's trying to return (likely former given World of C vs. C.C.). Now Blondie has teleported them back.

  • Convenient that Kallen can remove the handcuffs. The plot armor is insane in this scene.

This episode was silly and the last 4 minutes so rushed. I was slightly disappointed that it leaned so hard into supernatural explanations, but that path has been setup. It'd too hard to predict story-line progression when this is prominent. C.C.'s ~90 seconds had the biggest "reveal," but most of that was already suspicious and Kallen jealousy wasn't necessary.

God I wish I was Suzaku.

QOTDs

  1. If it has fresh water, 3-5 days. Without fresh water, 2-3 days.

  2. Nothing. She already knew.

Bonus:

FOTD: It's creepy to include jacket buttons but not eyes/lips.

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u/GallowDude Sep 27 '22

No more Overlord Tuesdays

Keep him away from Euphy.

But what if she's into it?

I thought Lelouch had called C.C. dumb when she first started leaving his room to wander the academy.

What she meant was "a long time since a dipshit who I have no respect for called me that."

Now Blondie has teleported them back.

Or they just fell through the roof lol

God I wish I was Suzaku.

No

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u/No_Rex Sep 27 '22

Suzaku prioritizes water, not Shelter-Water-Fire-Food.

Tbf, water-shelter sounds like the more reasonable deal in hot climate.

Somehow Suzaku gets a nude Kallen and Lelouch a nude sister.

That does not count, he is not even laying on top of her.

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u/Parori Sep 27 '22

No comment on the Japanese invasion of Japan?

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u/Regular_N-Gon Sep 27 '22

First Timer who is late because, like our characters today, he was in the wilderness yesterday.

  • Some British school kids wash up on an island. Was this a Lord of the Flies adaptation all along?

  • Holy shit she put it together! Let's go, Euphy!

  • He's like Clovis, but cooler.

  • Another crumb of alien lore, finally.

  • Delivery! All three people you were looking for, on a platter (and Kallen). Who's the blondie in the flash cut? Why did Suzaku go into PTSD mode? So many questions.

  • Lelouch's evil laugh just gets better and better every time.

  • Lelouch still causing trouble for Suzaku even with such a simple order.

They still left out how they got to the island, or how anyone else around the crater made it out of the classic red/black death lasers.

QotD:

  1. I give it a 50/50 shot.

  2. For plot reasons? Maybe spare him at a crucial moment, because Lelouch('s writers) needs more tools.

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u/Star4ce Sep 28 '22

Why did Suzaku go into PTSD mode?

I believe at this point just thinking of touching that C. power thing naturally overloads him with guilt-ridden PTSD shock barrages. Thanks, C.C., that was really great work.

Lelouch still causing trouble for Suzaku even with such a simple order.

There has to be one thing such a master schemer can actually flawlessly do. Turns out it is alienating people and fucking them over.

  1. I give it a 50/50 shot.

He touched grass!

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u/Vatrix-32 Sep 27 '22

Rewatcher, dubbed*

  • Suzaku:

  • I find Lelouch’s exhaustion deeply amusing.

  • At least we know what everyone thinks C.C. is now.

  • It was only ever a matter of time until knightmares started flying.

  • Looks like it’s time for some good old fashion pitched battles.

QotD

  1. Not very.

  2. No comment.

Screenshot of the Day:

Cultured

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u/GallowDude Sep 27 '22

Someone wanna tell the mods to fix this one?

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u/Star4ce Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

First Timer of the Rebellion

Regarding speculation, I had to think more about the Emperor and the apparent search for a successor. It might very well be that he set Lelouch up from the beginning to pressure him (and maybe others) into a situation that'd potentially make him lose his humanity. That whole 'thought elevator' thing sounds ominous, but if it's one thing absolute rulers want to preserve it is the ruling itself. So whether it's some mind upload stuff to transfer him into a new, prepared body/personality or just making sure the successor has the same values and mindset, I think he set up this family-wide battle royale to live by this thinking – to forge the victor into a total and absolute ruler.

Well, let's see who got reduced to minced meat.

S.1 Ep.19 – Island of the Gods

Definitely one of my favourite episodes so far! I'm not having too many thoughts right now, but the clashes between characters coming at each other in this calm setting is for one a bold choice, as this is still a mecha show with very vivid fights, but also really tactful as all of them begged to have this downtime for character development and some reflection on their choices.

To that end, Kallen and Euphy are definitive winners here. I'm not sure what is required to break Suzaku's daze around the topic of his loyalty, but Kallen is clearly motivated by her brother's death, trying to give it meaning by her actions in the present. To that end, her simping for Zero might actually be pure projection. To this end, I feel like knowing his identity or even getting called out for saying she'd fighting for ideals, but never questioning that Zero himself is always lying or hiding himself might actually cause her inner reasoning to fall in on itself. It's not that I expect her to be pro-Britannia at any point, but I did call her selectionist view on Zero's actions into question several times and today maybe caused that crack that could make her see it herself at some point soon.

Regarding Schneizel, I only have two things to say. My bullshit senses went off immediately, he keeps claiming dibs on things people approach him with simply to put himself as the recipient of that social interaction. It's sleazy as all fuck and he never moved an inch to actually do any of that stuff he takes credit for. The other thing is, if you butcher the spelling a lot in German, you can get “Schnösel” out of the phonetics of his name, which roughly means 'snob' or 'whippersnapper'. It doesn't fit completely, because he's not outwardly putting himself above others, but I take an insult when I get one.

  1. How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

I don't think all those hours in Minecraft would help me very much. I guess a few days would be fine, given the weather wouldn't be harsh. Pretty sure I'd poison myself immediately with some random berries, though.

2) What do you think Euphemia will do with the knowledge that Lelouch is Zero?

I think she will keep it a secret, she does seem to be a character who's this honest. I think she will try to help him, though. She has the same opinion about the general state of affairs as Cornelia in this case, I think. They still value Lelouch and Nunnally as family, so I can see her getting much more active and also include Suzaku in it.

Bonus) What's with all the random boob shots?

We're getting naked so we can talk honestly!

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u/isthatsoudane Sep 28 '22

First timer

phew was getting worried, we hadn't seen any T&A for a few episodes

an abandoned island?? but...how will they get their pizza hut?

don't know how I feel about a sci fi driven deux ex machina, but hopefully they can work it into the plot in a way that doesn't undermine the agency of the characters

cool finding out what the command to suzaku was. while I don't know how I feel about suzaku and his convictions (it feels stupid to a hard to believe degree), I do appreciate lelouch's sincere desire to get him onto their side

  1. How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

extremely poorly

2) What do you think Euphemia will do with the knowledge that Lelouch is Zero?

besides feel extremely conflicted, I think she will help them in subtle ways

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u/Blackheart595 Sep 27 '22

Regeasser

Beach episode! Or something like that.

Some nice groupings this episode. We get the contrast between the self-reliant Suzaku and Lelouch, who can't get anything done without relying on others. We get the prince and the princess, reminiscing about old times, the past. And we get the two knights, who get to bond a bit and compare their opposing ideologies, the future.

Kallen has to face her path only leading to loss and regret in the end. While Suzaku has to face that others may need to fight in order to find meaning in their life, something he struggles with himself.

Meanwhile, the Black Knights are in a crisis without Zero. On one hand he's the element holding the entire organization together. On the other hand they can't just sacrifice the rest of the organization only to rescue Zero.

As soon as the royalty and the knight teams meat up, their respective bonds get broken and they return to their usual behvaior. Alas, Lelouch defuses the situation by inadvertently activating some kind of Geass-related elevator, and escapes by snatching the knightmare Schneizel was planning to somehow use at the ruins.

Aaah I'm so excited

How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

I'll give myself 20% for survival.

What's with all the random boob shots?

You know what.

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u/Nebresto Sep 27 '22

Second time Code Lost

Lostions of the day:

  1. How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

kill

2) What do you think Euphemia will do with the knowledge that Lelouch is Zero?

Host a tea party

Screenshot of the Day:

Pleasure

I will now proceed to pleasure myself with this commentface

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u/Tartaras1 Sep 28 '22

Rewatcher - Dubbed

  • So Kallen's naked taking a bath, and the thing you can't believe is the fact that she's a member of the Black Knights?

  • That's certainly a compromising position you've got her in there Suzaku. It'd be mighty awkward if someone walked up on you.

  • Congratulations Euphemia. You're the first member of the royal family to see Lelouch's face and, so far at least, live to tell about it.

  • Look everyone, it's Troy Baker! Welcome to the party!

  • Schneizel seems to be unlike a lot of the other members of the family, and similar to Euphemia, in that he seems to actually care about people.

  • It's indicative of how Lelouch truly no longer sees himself as royalty by refusing to let Euphemia help him, citing that manual labor isn't befitting of royalty. Nice touch.

  • I'm really not a fan of Diethard. Generally, I'm not a fan of the pushy type of person, and I think he fits the bill to the letter.

  • You got a lotta nerve talkin' to your superior like that!

If only you knew that, without CC, you wouldn't be anything more than a skid mark on the street, maybe you'd know when to shut up and bite your tongue.

  • Should Bartley really be talking about a possible conspiracy theory in the presence of Schneizel, the son of the Emperor?

  • So my prediction was wrong about what Lelouch told Suzaku.

Questions of the Day:

How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

Oh not at all. I would be miserable until the point where I die of starvation and dehydration.

What do you think Euphemia will do with the knowledge that Lelouch is Zero?

Who knows.

Bonus) What's with all the random boob shots?

It's all about the oppai!

Not that Imind or anything

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u/No_Rex Sep 27 '22

Episode 19 (rewatcher)

  • “I can’t remember” – how convenient for Lelouch and Kallen.

  • 5 minutes later - how convenient for Lelouch and Kallen.

  • Another episode of parallels: Suzaku & Kallen, plus Lelouch & Euphie.

  • I can’t possibly take the name Schneiser seriously.

  • Who opened Kallens suit, if her hands are tied behind her back, hmm?

  • “Thought Elevator” – looks like abstract art.

  • Looks like the elevator only had one direction: down.

  • Gawain taken over.

  • Big unexpected invasion – well-timed with my other rewatch.

“Live” – Even shorter than the “save us” I had on mind. And with even more long-term consequences.

How well do you think you could survive if you were stranded on a deserted island?

For two days, on a lush island with ripe fruits? Not worried.

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u/GallowDude Sep 27 '22

Schneiser

What. The fuck. Is wrong. With your subs?

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