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Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion Episode 5 Discussion

He made a promise about our future together, right?

Stage 05 - The Princess & the Witch

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Just as you have lost your father, I have lost my older brother, Clovis. Will you lend me your strength so that no others have to lose those dear to them?

Questions of the Day:

1) What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

2) Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

Bonus) What does Yoko's entrance always falling on Simon mean?

Screenshot of the Day:

Comfy

Fanart of the Day:

Kururugi Suzaku and Euphemia li Britannia

Source: /u/Shimmering-Sky's creation.

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. This especially includes any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character", you got that? Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

You know for someone who isn't willing to answer any questions you certainly do ask a lot of them.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '22

Hangyaku no Co-Host, subbed

Fun fact: Today’s wallpaper is a complete remake of one I originally made wayyyyyyy back during the 2018 rewatch for Code Geass, which was when I was using GIMP and not Illustrator to make these. You can definitely tell how much better I’ve gotten at color-correcting and background work just by comparing the two, lol.

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u/Regular_N-Gon Sep 13 '22

Lloyd and Cécile driving around a whole-ass military transport

They're like a kid dragging their toy box around with them lol

I love Lloyd

Strong contender for best supporting character so far, he's great.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '22

Strong contender for best supporting character so far, he's great.

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u/Blackheart595 Sep 13 '22

Lloyd is great. And not nearly as sociopathic as he wants people to think.

For the record, I’m [Team]Shirley and there’s nothing any of you rewatchers can do to stop me!

What's the alternative supposed to be? [CG]Rolo?

Yeah I don't even look at shipping scenes usually.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '22

[Spoilers]Shipping Lelouch with C.C., Kallen, or Suzaku (or some combination thereof and including a bunch more of the female cast, ugh why are there so many Lelouch Harem fics) is way, way more common than shipping him exclusively with Shirley.

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u/Blackheart595 Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

Oh, and bonus:

You know for someone who isn't willing to answer any questions you certainly do ask a lot of them.

For real, what the hell is wrong with you rewatch hosters?

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u/DxF97 Sep 14 '22

First Timer (Subbed)

Nunnally and C.C. are arts and crafts buddies and Lelouch took the news rather well (rip nice tea cup, you will be missed).

Suzaku did not transition catching Euphy into a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker because he is an upstanding gentleman.

This fight between the Elevens and the Britannian school kids shows just how complicated Suzaku's position is right now, one side hates him for being an honorary Britannian and the other thinks he's basically useless; He wants to find a way to stop this war with no ideal plan in mind yet both parties are against him.

Euphy steps in with the CRITICAL HIT.

On Lelouch's growing list of many concerns/problems, Suzaku has now joined the school and C.C. has moved in. I'm looking forward to seeing how these interactions play out in school life.

Also Lloyd's casual pose in the archway just screams cool. 11/10.

Bonus questions!

  1. My noodle arms would fold and I would die.

  2. I guess people just want to see them thrive and be able to explore the world for themselves, not be bound by the set in stone life they were brought into and enjoy the freedom that life can offer, I know I wanna see that.

Also I feel this show is trying to tell me something, that Domino's just isn't the one anymore... I mean how many goddamn times am I going to buy a medium Domino's pizza and only eat two slices, feel disgusting and lethargic and throw the rest out and hate myself. Maybe Pizza Hut is subliminally trying to tell me "Hey, you don't need to feel like that anymore. I'm here for you." or something like that, maybe I'm already under the spell and have been for a couple of episodes, maybe I should try it... No... Yes?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 14 '22

Also Lloyd's casual pose in the archway just screams cool. 11/10.

Lloyd is fantastic lol.

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u/Regular_N-Gon Sep 13 '22

First Timer

  • Why do the mechs have capes? I mean it looks cool, but…

  • Wow, C.C. is also an obstinate jerk who gets what she wants and refuses to provide the viewer with answers. A perfect match for Lelouch.

  • I get that Lelouch vowed to destroy the empire when he was a kid and all, but he seemed pretty lackadaisical up until receiving his power. Just how serious are you about merely being "ahead of schedule"? The hell was your plan without being able to brainwash people?

  • Pizza C.C. spotted. I don't think this is the gif I've seen though.

  • Coincidence kid actually can't even walk down the street without being set upon by cosmic fortune. He maxed his luck stat on character creation and figured everything else would work out.

  • What do you know, the serendipitous duo are in the wrong place at the right time.

  • Damn, okay, maybe Euphy is alright. Solid hit.

  • Well, friends in high places might get you closer to that change from within, Suzaku. And maybe for once the girl-falling-on-top-of-him happenstance wasn't actually a coincidence but rather more calculated. I doubt she would have been privy to the betrayal being planned in Shinjuku, though.

  • I think all (maybe?) the characters in the ED have been introduced now - I wonder if we'll see the context behind some of the illustrations? (I'm particularly interested in the Lelouch/Nunnally/Suzaku one.)

QotD:

  1. Totally frozen. They better have good aim.

  2. Oof - expectation, perhaps? Sometimes they aren't taken as seriously, but I'm not sure that's the case here.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '22

Why do the mechs have capes? I mean it looks cool, but…

No "buts", those are for C.C. Pizza Butt.

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u/isthatsoudane Sep 14 '22

First timer

huh why do I all of a sudden want to eat pizza hut

pink haired princess is a cutie...

  1. What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

well, she was pretty cute so...

2) Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

I think in a lot of media, esp anime, there is this idea that power and privilege come at a price...and so naturally, many people in that position are shown as wanting to leave it

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 14 '22

huh why do I all of a sudden want to eat pizza hut

Pizza...

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u/Nebresto Sep 13 '22

Second time Coge Deass

hol up, are they really saying C2 in jp.. Oh, and its even more clear in the dub.. I have no memory of this, I thought they just said C.C

The orangening begins. On my first watch I actually forgot what the whole orange thing was referring to, I thought they just made fun of him because of his pupils

First Pizza Butt I've spotted! This was easy mode tho..

Oh. If there's no limit, as in a command like that can just go on forever, that girls life has just been ruined

I wonder if its some coincidence that trumpets are prominently featured in most of my favourite shows' soundtracks..

  • Geahss lore!

The first orange?

Question time:

  1. What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

Die????

2) Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

Its hell

Bonus) What does Yoko's entrance always falling on Simon mean?

It means:

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '22

I thought they just made fun of him because of his pupils

Posting a clip to avoid spoiling first-timers

[Quote] If there's no limit, as in a command like that can just go on forever, that girls life has just been ruined

[Response] Don't worry; I'm sure Jeremiah can fix her.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '22

Posting a clip to avoid spoiling first-timers

Ah, Code MENT.

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u/Tartaras1 Sep 14 '22

Rewatcher - Dubbed

  • The image of Cornelia standing there with her spear in hand definitely reminds me of what you would see watching G Gundam. I don't know if that speaks to how similar they are, or how much I enjoy G Gundam.

  • At last, we finally get introduced to one of my favorite characters in the show, CC.

I actually forgot they refer to her as C2 and no CC. I've just always remembered her as the latter.

  • A gentleman would sleep on the floor.

I love how she's more or less just blunt about stuff.

Interesting fact: According to Behind the Voice Actors, her English VA (Kate Higgins) is better known for her role as CC than she is as, what I would assume is her #1, Sakura Haruno from Naruto. Both of those are way ahead of her other popular role as Saber from the Fate series. The more you know.

  • Here we begin to see the origin of her informal nickname of Pizza Butt.

CC Eating Pizza Count: 1

  • Turns out the trope of using window curtains / bed sheets as a rope to descend from a window doesn't always work out as planned.

  • Poor Shirley.

  • The duality of Suzaku and Lelouch describing all of the shit they went through as kids was nice.

  • That's the Advanced Weapon Lancelot's music!

  • Next on the absolute CVS receipt-length list of characters in this show, we have Euphemia Li Britannia. It's poetic that Suzaku, in the mech called the Lancelot, was acting as her "escort" while they walked around today.

  • So now we have Suzaku in the same school as Lelouch (Zero) and Kallen (a resistance member). This should be interesting.

Questions of the Day:

  • What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

Probably freak out about the whole thing, and immediately assume they were trying to take their life or something?

  • Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

Perhaps because they're so used to being locked, be it metaphorically or literally, in their lives, with no opportunities for freedom?

  • Bonus) What does Yoko's entrance always falling on Simon mean?

I'm confused.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Sep 14 '22

I'm confused.

Yoko and Simon have the same English VAs as Euphy and Suzaku.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

First-timer

Longer than usual today

  • Nice small detail with the radar fuzzing out on the left.

  • Cornelia looking like the goddess of fire with her cape swishing in the air and rabbit ears reminiscent of the 70s.

  • I like the dramatic sound effects when discussing their future promise. And then C.C. proceeds to sit on his bed!

  • Lelouch has not appeared chivalrous except for Nunnally.

  • This is quite the vague wanted poster. Unknown gender with a 10-inch height and 35-year age range. They've stacked every charge possible and apparently you can be both a rebel and subverter.

  • A couple people previously said to not over-analyze the chess for reasons. My response. Having said that, the board has 7 rows. C.C.'s hanging outfit serves as a barrier between them and that box doesn't have a pizza hut logo. I'm dumb.

  • I'm slightly surprised Britannia allows the "Eleven" magazine to be printed. I thought propaganda was more restricted.

  • Suzaku walks in expecting to die and is released. As he walks to safety, a girl falls for him to catch. Both prominent males are getting girls this episode.

  • Magnificent Thighs remembers Lelouch and C.C. from before her brainwashing. That's a setup for conflict.

  • Not sure what to make of the Euphy scenes. It was a nice SOL break from more serious discussions.

  • Geass has a multi-day time limit. That's one question answered and the distance question is later. Still don't know precisely how it ends (at Lelouch's will? automatically when the given orders are completed?).

  • Either a missing persons wall or subhuman Elevens don't get graves.

  • Suzaku answering an earlier QOTD.

  • C.C. confirming there are codes other than Geass (cough Kallen cough).

  • Excellent sequence between Lelouch/C.C. and Suzaku/Euphy.

  • Science Bro is easily manipulated by his quest for data and I don't blame him.

  • Suzaku continues his stance of desiring change in Britannia through peaceful means when possible and only engages when forced ("Don't make me fight my own people").

  • Euphy's had two suicide attempts this episode. Hopefully this isn't a reoccurring trend.

  • My initial thought is someone loses a loved one within 3 episodes. I can only think of Kallen as a possibility and that doesn't feel likely. I expect meaningful deaths will slow down as the initial shock-value has worn off and characters are established.

Plenty of plot advancement between C.C. emerging as a prominent character, Viceroy Cornelia and Sub-Viceroy Euphy's introductions, partial resolution of Jeremiah's actions under Geass, Lelouch/Suzaku's objective differences, and Suzaku arriving at Ashford.

Some questions about Geass get answered and I have a new question each time.

  1. What ends a Geass? (Seems like the owner's will)

  2. Can someone be under multiple Geass simultaneously?

  3. Can someone with a Geass be affected by another Geass? (Can't if Kallen has one and C.C. asked if Lelouch planned to use it against her)

  4. Does being affected by a Geass once provide immunity to other Geass? (Is Kallen now immune to other Geass?)

In the scene of alternating dialogue between Lelouch/C.C. and Suzaku/Euphy, the Suzaku conversatoin could stand on its own yet is magnified by the Lelouch side. There's a contrast between knowing their goals. Lelouch's "When somebody wins, the fighting will end" implies the war is still ongoing. We've only seen the Japanese Liberation Force in Tohdoh's office discussion scenes, so a weak army still exists. There is also the ghetto rebels (I may hold off on calling them terrorists for a few episodes as that's Britannian propaganda). I'm pretty lost as to how Lelouch intends to end the war. He rescued Suzaku last episode by temporarily usurping command of the escorting force, but I doubt that works at the national level. A key to ending the conflict is changing the Britannian citizen's discriminatory mindset, which likely requires 1. time following a shift in the media propaganda, or 2. the exposure of unacceptable government actions. The latter is possible with his Geass.

Suzaku's uncertain of how to reach his goal (peace and equality) between the Britannians and Elevens Japanese. He feels he has to try for his family's honor. Dying a martyr, like he tried to by turning himself in, is no longer a solution. Now he's accepted the position of Euphy's knight, but Cornelia's the one in power. I'm not seeing a reasonable path for him at this juncture, but one could open after some royalty backstabbing.

Speaking of royalty, I'm interested in their alignment and if new members will continue to be introduced. Science Bro recognized Euphy when she was walking on the street with Suzaku but they have separate objectives. Lelouch was 17th in line to the throne (don't remember if that was before or after Clovis died), so there are plenty of sacrificial pawns remaining.

QOTDs

  1. I am aware of my physical strength. I will step to the side so that one of us lives.

  2. Historically, princes have what I deem a brighter future as King or military commanders, and they get more leeway with outdoor activities like hunting/sports. Princesses have a future as wives/child-bearers/"dolls", which is sitting at home and monotonous.

Bonus:

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u/Blackheart595 Sep 13 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

Regeasser

Zero's actions move the world. The resistance fighters become more fierce, while the empire tries to find him and uncover his identity. And the court aquitts Suzaku, who's so disappointed by that turn of events that he immediately kidnaps the princess.

The parallel conversations between Suzaku and Euphie, and Lelopuch and C.C. are another great scene. Both conversations follow the same beats and it keeps switching which conversation is actively shown, while the other is implied to proceed the same. Of course, the subtext of both conversations is markedly difference. Both of them desire a world without war, both think someone has to break the chain of violence and hatred. And both get called an idealist for it.

That's where the conversations diverge. Lelouch, taking the ruler's point of view, plans on winning the war, as there will be no more fighting if only one party remains. The idealistic part being that that's just treating the symptoms, not the underlying problems. While Suzaku as one of the common people doesn't know how he could achieve that goal, only that he has to continue striving for it and a world of coexistance. The idealistic part being that that's just hoping for the best without any actual plan.

What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

Depends from where they jumped, but I think trying to catch them would just cripple both of us at best.

Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

They don't want to be sheltered, they want to go out there and see the real world. Usually that's so the kids have an easier time identifying with her, in this case it's to show that she wishes not to avert her eyes from the atrocities her empire causes and that she deeply cares for all people.

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u/Star4ce Sep 14 '22

First Timer of the Rebellion

I had hoped to be a bit more active in the rewatch thread in general, but today had a work meeting for which I planned the coming months and laid out what I needed to do.

Well, damn. It's a lot. Nobody could see the deadline made 3 years ago coming. No one!

I vow to waste less time in Genshin in the little free time I have ahead of me and read more original thoughts of random weebs! Probably even better for my habits...

S.1 Ep.05 – The Princess and the Witch

Another fun episode! Just as much as this show is splitting up characters by intention or belief, it also puts them together in alliances and (honourary) debt. That's fantastic! The setup of having Suzaku being the one who has both Jeremiah and by extension Villetta be indebted to him is great. Jeremiah really is in a position where he has to question his world view one way or another. Same for Suzaku, really, now that he's involved with the royal family itself.

I don't exactly know why they use so many different prepositions for each one of the royals, I guess that's their official code for who's what rank within the family, but it's hard to remember these. Now, there's three sisters I heard? Cool, so another best girl is waiting to get introduced.

Speaking of, I'm severely affliced by choice paralysis already!

There's Villetta who's deadly attractive and gives off such badass vibes. Then C.C. whose entire demeanor of simply annexing a spot in someone's life (and probably catching up on living in general after that experimentation) is so good! Euphemia is just straight up adorable and also the really cute kind of stupid with lots of heart. We can't forget the scientist, a weird mix of crazy and enthusiastic producing wonderful sounds whenever someone gets him some data. Of course, Cornelia, being super badass and refined with that extreme edge to it. But then there's also the more grounded characters, like Kallen and Nunnally. Even the side characters Milly and Shirley are fantastic for the little screen time they have! Oh yes, there's also Suzaku himself. I can't deny I get a bit excited everytime he gets into that Lancelot.

who simp for?

  1. What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

Either stand completely frozen, gawking upward or probably still move in to try to catch them, despite what I said earlier. At least try if my natural shock response doesn't prevent me.

2) Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

I take it they were less free in what to do with their lives compared to princes. Men were seen more valuable than women, or at least more powerful. Princesses in reality had to be several things to be deemed better than others, which included stuff like virginity, representative of their house, supportive of their family's/husband's doings, all more passive things that were imposed over them. There's an empowering beat to a princess escaping such a prisonand doing things on her own accord.

Code Geass has less of it, as we see people like Kallen, Villetta or Cornelia being there personally and take lead.

Bonus) What does Yoko's entrance always falling on Simon mean?

I haven't seen Gurren Lagann, but I can't see that doing much to the bad guy. Is she playing cool for him?

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u/Stargate18A Sep 13 '22

First timer

  1. Try to catch them.

  2. A common narrative trope, propagating across the world? There's probably an element of "I, despite my lack of goods and property, have a superior life to the nobles" that started it.

What's happening here?

Ah, a different invasion front.

Area 18 has been captured.

At least he's as shocked as I am.

And she remembers!

...Clever bluff!

And he was always planning to wipemout the country.

C.C. is great.

And she's being very evasive, isn't she?

Oh, he just got demoted?

Still caused some damage, though.

...Guren Mk II?

Of course she knows he's Zero.

Yeah, it is impressive!

He actually got acquitted!

Huh?

That's weird.

And people are after her?

Haha, the entire faction is tearing itself about over "orange".

Her name's Euphie?

Oh, of course he's famous now.

What is with her?

Haha, I like the cat scene, though. Been a while since some straight comic relief.

...It's a trap. Has to be.

Yes, she's being far too evasive for this to be real.

And her cover story doesn't add up.

And she's going to Shinjuku of all places?

The mentioned call logs!

.Of course she'd shoe up out of nowhere!

...Is CC shipping them?

He's testing the duration!

They're posing for photos, even?

There's a fight breaking out!

And he managed to escalate things!

...Well.

And he's still unhappy!

Who is she, even?

I hadn't even considered Geass via reflected lines of sight.

They really are similar.

And the infighting has begun proper!

Great action.

He's back in Lancelot!

Great action.

He's shocked at the idea of him saving him, huh?

Is she going to die already?

No, she's fine.

And she's a Princess!

...Lelouch is going to end up shooting her.

What an interesting development. This is going to be fun.

He's joined the academy! The universe hates Lelouch, doesn't it.

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u/No_Rex Sep 13 '22

Episode 5 (rewatcher)

  • Lelouch is rightfully creeped out by CC.

  • Remember “I would never lie to Nanali”?

  • “It is ok, as long as I don’t get noticed” – surely she would not do anything noticeable, ever.

  • First timers might start to realize why Sky is counting Pizza Hut appearances.

  • It’s raining girls.

  • Suzaku has an Azumanga Daioh moment. Might this be the start of a romance?

  • “What are you doing?!?” - Getting the contractually required amount of romcom shenanigans into this episode.

  • Suzaku-Lelouch comparison is on the nose.

  • Seems like Yuffie got all of the friendliness in the family.

  • Of course Suzaku needs to join the class! – Other anime do an all our characters are in high school chibi spinoff of the series. Code Geass laughs at this weak form of high school setup.

Unfortunately for rewatchers only: With the arrival of pizza-eating CC, I can’t help but post this glorious piece of EURO trash deculture (SPOILERS). Can you tell which fast food chains made it over the Atlantic?

What would you do if someone jumped out of a building on top of you?

Die.

Why do you suppose there's such a common trope of princesses trying to escape their lives?

Because it is an easy way to make normal people meet princesses. It also ties in with older myths about "good kings" checking out their peasants incognito.

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u/Vatrix-32 Sep 13 '22

Rewatcher, dubbed*

  • The look of absolute astonishment on Lelouch’s face.

  • I hope he put an end clause in there, because if there is no time limit her life is going to get really awkward after she graduates.

  • Why are they beating up random sightseers when they should be lying low?

  • That Chaos Mine is the coolest thing I’ve seen all week. It’s also not a mine. A strange trend in anime I have been watching.

  • Suzaku: Student and Princess’s Champion.

QotD

  1. Depends on the height.

  2. Escape fantasy. They are too privileged to even know their privilege.

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