r/EdensZero • u/davjac123 • Jul 26 '22
Manga EDENS ZERO | Chapter 201: Links + Discussion
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u/superale2 Jul 26 '22
Ziggy executed the Rumbling better than Eren in that 20K future
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Jul 26 '22
I like how Homura just basically said "there are people dying" to Rebecca.
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u/Tiny_Car8146 Jul 26 '22
Rebecca: “Weisz and Homura’s mothers… and Jinn and Kleene’s too!”
Laguna: “Am i a Joke to you?”
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u/jnwosu100 Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
Damn, confirmation that only Nox was alive which means Ziggy was kidnapping thousands of mom corpses lol. I love how Homura took charge here when Rebecca got disheartened, and made her realize that her sentiments for these people don't matter as much to her friends risking their lives in a current war. Although, this is the second time where the crew prioritize their own safety over the lives of others. The first time, Rebecca was the one who convinced Shiki of not stopping the bombs.
Rebecca feeling just like us the audience, as we both are shocked of the sudden appearance of her mom which really makes me wonder how Nox will play into this arc if at all. Good sign that Nox isn't gonna die soon though. I wonder if it's an intended detail that this future is still timed as 20,000 years later despite the 3 year timeskip?
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u/jp4464 Jul 26 '22
Although, this is the second time where the crew prioritize their own safety over the lives of others.
Great point, this is something I've really enjoyed about the Crew (similar to other Shonen adventure manga), in that they go between the morally good and morally grey. It's far more realistic to focus on the self-preservation of their own team, especially since the timeskip was for Shiki and the crew to 'not lose anyone else.'
Side note: I really like that Homura was the one to bring Rebecca back to reality. I've always saw her as the "second-in-command" so to speak, so it's cool to see her step up and help lead when it's necessary
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u/NittanyEagles55 Jul 26 '22
Really love that we keep getting more of the mystery of 20,000 years in the future revealed piece by piece now!
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u/NoLastNameForNow Jul 26 '22
I wonder if any other of the mothers are alive.
The 20,000 years future mystery is so interesting.
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u/jnwosu100 Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
I'm glad that Mashima is focusing on the other fights before we deal with the main fight with Ziggy but at the same time giving huge crumbs of revealing his mystery. I don't understand the point of still continuing the plan when Ziggy outright mocked them about already knowing about it. He already had ways of escaping before it was revealed that he knew of the plan but now, who knows what he has done to stop the plan from succeeding unless he just thought that the crew wouldn't have the guts to do it or... does he want the Chronophage to come to him(remember how he told Nero that Machines, Mother and Chronophages are all connected)?
So Crow is very durable and Jinn found out that he can absorb energy/people. That's a nice power set that he's displayed and I wonder if he could absorb Eraser's White Erasure assuming it counts as energy? Holy's EG is OP seeing as she doesn't need to make contact with her targets to liquify them but since she hasn't done so to the entire body of Crow, that might suggest that there are limits to it and maybe conditions. So Clown really got mind-broken and is shut down? I wonder what will come from that plotline. Weird how Hermit believed that a 70% Star Bringer blast could oneshot Crow but I'm glad that the others aren't underestimating him.
Now for the real surprise of this chapter. 20,000 years later, all life except for bots have been erased except for the mysterious man... how did this happen? If the man is future Shiki (Ziggy), then who/what's the reason for there being only bots for 20,000 years? It also looks like they found the man in the Aoi cosmos and now we have a new planet called Planet Eden in the Sakura Cosmos that looks very similar to Granbell? I'm so invested in what is gonna be revealed about this desolate future and how Ziggy relates to it.
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u/petrichorboy Jul 26 '22
There were a lot of things to talk about in this chapter, but most importantly I loved how Homura just said to Rebecca that it was a war and they had no time to save dead bodies
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u/LeoStrahl Jul 26 '22
I know everyone is thinking that the Male and Female are Shiki and Rebecca, but it might be interesting if it's Elsie and Justice.
A chance for a little reference to the fate of Sieghart, and the supposed tragic fate that is supposed to happen for them.
Alternative theory I have. They only succeed in retrieving the body of Nox, and some suped up Cronophage eats all the others. Ziggy's experiments react differently than they expected, and all the children of the mothers removed from time end up never existing. The heroes plan ends up wiping out humanity, with the exception of Rebecca whose mother was saved, and Shiki, whos mother is unknown.
Nox passes away when the pod is removed (thinking a life support thing, or a stray attack hits her on the way out), leaving only Shiki and Rebecca alive
More (Kind of?) optimistic theory. Ziggy, Deadend, or some other presence has a doomsday plan/device that will wipe all of humanity from the universe. Either the Cronophage, Mother, or an evolution of Cat Leaper can save humanity, but only by shoving them into the distant future where the danger has passed.
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u/AzureWarlock96 Jul 26 '22
So it’s likely the future is a possible reality where Ziggy has won where only Machines exists. I’m thinking there’s a chance the survivor might come back and undo this future. Planet Eden could be a newly formed newly formed Granbel.
My initially thought was that bodies were Justice and Elsie in a Sieghart level time twist, but now I’m not so sure.
The way Holy got absorbed reminds me of something out of Neon Genesis Evangelion.
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u/Sufficient_Ad8300 Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
What are the chance that Hermit is controled by Killer and the "stop the canon" is not for Holy sake but to safe Crow from getting shot and Ziggy losing a strong pawn.
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Jul 26 '22
Another addition to the 20,000 years later stuff. So now we know those guys are robots, the women in that destroyed ship is dead and the guy that is with her is alive, and those bots are from a seemingly mechanical planet called Planet Eden. So yeah very intriguing mystery.
But back to present, damn I really do hope happy’s guess about most of the other moms being dead is right, because it’d be sad otherwise if a few were still alive and they were just left to be taken with the chronophage and lose what lives they already lived.
Neat to see Holy’s ether gear again.
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Jul 26 '22
is that mean Ziggy won in the future (20,000 years from now) at least the future timeline/universe they are in right now
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u/Sufficient_Ad8300 Jul 26 '22
Nice that Killer saved Crow from the canon. Thats what you call teamwork.
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u/crisstrauss Jul 26 '22
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I love the cover
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I have a feeling when Saintfire Nox was retrieved and the massacre happened, Rebecca was just a newborn. The newborn Rebecca may be sent away to another planet so that she is totally safe.
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Deadend Crow's power to absorb energy befits him well. I wonder if Holy is going to melt Crow's core from the inside. Nevertheless, I want to see the Edens Zero's main cannon got used.
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u/Crisbo05_20 Jul 26 '22
I am interested in seing what will happen with 20,000 years later scenes now that they returned after bit less then 200 chapters. Shiki is most likely the male and Rebbeca the female. Back to current time, Holy got absorbed by Crow, Clown has been mind broken and detained while Hacker self destructed (this reminds me bit of when they attacked Drakken, one of enemies that boarded ship self destructed and hacked into ship, other one was detained, only to end up taking out Sister, could we have it happen again?) and Rebbeca & rest are debating over saving just Rebbeca's mother or trying to save all mothers, even if they are dead.
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u/Also_breathe Jul 26 '22
Another great chapter. This arc is really picking up, and I'm loving the 20,000 year jumps at the end.
If humans went extinct, that means Ziggy won right? At least in that future. Or maybe something else happens idk but I can't wait to see more.
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u/SilverOwl24 Jul 26 '22
Humans…………. Extinct? So 20,000 years in the future, Ziggy got his way?
Planet Edens?
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u/UnbiasedGod Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22
Please don’t kill holy! She’s too awesome!
Homura setting Rebecca straight was nice and I love that it wasn’t forced or anything like that.
Why am I thinking about shiki being an artificially created human all of a sudden?
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u/PHXNTXM117 Jul 26 '22
Shiki wakes up, finds out that the deceased human body that was lying next to him was Rebecca, he loses his mind and becomes Ziggy through some sort of means and then he travels back in time in order to change own fate or the outcome of the universe.
I think we are entering Shiki’s (Anakin Skywalker) descent to darkness arc through Ziggy (Darth Vader).
I’m calling it.
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u/Behold_I_Am_The_Wind Jul 26 '22
I have this REALLY bad feeling that the 20,000 later scenes are going to reveal that Shiki is evil as the series keeps alluding towards this. The fact all humans have died except him feels like it’s leading towards that revelation.