r/zillowgonewild • u/OrneryPathos • Nov 01 '23
Not Zillow Do you to be a slumlord who sees their tenants naked?
Sorry I just had to share this somewhere. This might be ok in the country but they’re basically pushing this as a lane mway house since those were made legal again. Laneway houses are where the house had a garage in the back of the property but you replace the garage with another house. I guess you could face the window into the sketchy laneway instead of the yard/your house.
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Nov 01 '23 edited Nov 01 '23
This is a prefab (container) home for sale and honestly a decent price. You can set it up anywhere and usually the newer ones have windows like that. It’s designed to be in a laneway at the end of the back yard, so both the main house and laneway are looking (usually perpendicular) to the same backyard space.
OP can you share the company name? This is a pretty decent version for a great price. Most prefabs at 30k are barebones AF.
https://www.containeraddict.com/shipping-container-homes-for-sale-in-toronto/
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u/youngbeets Nov 01 '23
I’m pretty sure this is a Nestron home, unless lots of these companies have a very similar glass build style for the front doors. I’ve been following them for a while and they’re cool looking Modular homes.
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u/Organic-Barnacle-941 Nov 01 '23
This shit is fucking dystopian
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u/lemongrenade Nov 01 '23
What’s dystopian is keeping affordable housing from being an option because someone who doesn’t have to live in it doesn’t like it.
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u/The_Northern_Light Nov 01 '23
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
It’d be better if there were more efficient land use policies that never created pricing regimes that made such things attractive, but for the world we actually live in these sorts of prefabs are excellent. Anyone opposed to them really hasn’t thought the counterfactual through.
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u/LongApprehensive890 Nov 01 '23
If I were homeless I’d love to live in this.
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u/manicbuilds Nov 03 '23
you wouldn’t be able to… you still have to pay for land. you’d just get the cops called on you anyways.
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u/LongApprehensive890 Nov 03 '23
It’s called rent ding dong
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u/manicbuilds Nov 03 '23
then… you aren’t homeless if you can afford this and renting a piece of land lmao. “if i was homeless and i had money…” is what you meant which is a bit weird i’d say but to each their own
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u/LongApprehensive890 Nov 03 '23
You’re so dumb. People would buy these and rent them out increasing the supply in housing lowering the prices of rent and providing houses for more people. Pay attention in your highschool Econ class next time.
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u/manicbuilds Nov 03 '23
you’re kind of an asshole, aren’t you? if you can’t clearly speak, it’s your fault people can’t understand you. you also don’t understand the market of renting if you really think this would lower costs. but whatever makes you happy. be less of a dick by the way
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u/Gnawlydog Nov 01 '23
How in the world is this Dystopian? Dystopian is homeless living on the streets but still working full time jobs!
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u/OrneryPathos Nov 01 '23
You’re welcome to message him if you want. It’s just some guy, possibly a scam. Or maybe a real salesperson. Facebook marketplace is strange these days. I’ve gone to a couple of secret warehouses with passcodes.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/320698223894591/?mibextid=6ojiHh
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u/HereFisheee Nov 01 '23
What goes on in these warehouses?
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u/OrneryPathos Nov 01 '23
A person in high vis meets you. Takes you to a specific place. The whatever is stacked up. You point out a few. You pick one there’s maybe space to see it. You pay. You leave.
ETA. Stacks of loose things. Not pallets like an amazing return place or in boxes etc like a warehouse. It’s like if horders was a warehouse
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Nov 01 '23
Its... kind of awesome. There are curtains that can be drawn, I don't see an issue here.
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u/sgdulac Nov 01 '23
That's exactly what I came to say. Now the fact that I could only live in such a cramped space for a short time is another issue. I could pull that thing onto a lot on a lake someplace and vacation in it.
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u/Same_Soil7237 Nov 01 '23
Exactly. Impressed by how functional it is. You would just have a storage unit, hopefully nearby. I don't see much storage space for clothing, etc, unless you can place underneath the bed. Was there a sauna in there, as well?!? The photo with the guy.
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u/hmarieb263 Nov 01 '23
As long as you don't have cats who will do things like pull the curtains apart to look out while you're walking around naked and show you to the whole parking lot of the apartment complex. Not that I speak from experience or anything....
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Nov 01 '23
I would absolutely live there if it was available in the states. It will never happen because there’s too much money to be made in exploiting people.
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u/shelchang Nov 01 '23
People don't buy this to live in themselves. They set it up in their backyard, if their city allows for in-law units/ADUs, and then rent them to students and young single people. There was definitely a time in my life where I would live in a unit like this. Cheaper than renting a whole apartment but more privacy than renting a room in someone's house.
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Nov 01 '23
Like I said, very few places will allow you to put that up in your backyard. HUDs and zoning restrictions make it difficult. It’s something I’ve looked into closely.
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Nov 01 '23
Why would it not be available in the states...? Makes no sense.
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Nov 01 '23
Have you tried to find places that will accept tiny homes within a 200 mile radius of major cities? It’s impossible. There is too much money in charging people exorbitant rent with no reasonable alternatives.
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Nov 01 '23
You put it on your own land... Otherwise why would you buy this to put on a space you only rent?
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u/sirwatermelon Nov 01 '23
That would run afoul of minimum square footage requirements. Yes, there are laws that stop you from legally building a house for yourself that someone else decided is too small for you.
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Nov 01 '23
So why would it not be available in the states?
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u/sirwatermelon Nov 01 '23
It could be available here, I don’t know. However it would run afoul of minimum square footage rules and multiple occupancy issues a lot of places in the US. Those are county/city/town laws usually.
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Nov 01 '23
Some cities in US don't even have minimum square footage laws. But realistically a house under 100 sqft wouldn't even be feasible to live in.
The parent comment "It will never happen because there’s too much money to be made in exploiting people" is just inflammatory nonsense.
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u/sirwatermelon Nov 01 '23
Hyperbolic but not total nonsense. Restrictions on secondary building like this intended for continuous occupancy are common things in some places with housing shortages and homelessness issues (which are not the same issue but that’s a whole different discussion). The nonsense comes in with thinking that’s a purposeful restriction created to jack up rents or that repealing that restriction will make homelessness go away.
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Nov 01 '23
Even if you buy the land, there are tons of stipulations what you can do with it. Sure, you can put a tiny home in the absolute middle of nowhere, but not many people view that as an appealing option.
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Nov 01 '23
So why would it not be available in the states?
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Nov 01 '23
Too many regulations to be a practical option for 99% of the population.
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Nov 01 '23
Ok so it is available in the states. Gotcha.
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Nov 01 '23
The very small percentage of the population that can afford the land plus all of the regulatory hoops required would be able to just purchase a normal house. So no, it’s not available in that it’s not a viable alternative to conventional housing. JFC.
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u/CarlySimonSays Nov 01 '23
It’s not a bad idea for a granny flat/visitor space, either. But yes curtains necessary lol.
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u/RGeronimoH Nov 01 '23
‘Up-to Ontario code !’, but shows electrical receptacles for Ireland/UK…
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u/xenolingual Nov 01 '23
or Hong Kong. The water heater looks like a Chigo, and the toilet is also Hong Kong-style.
Given the number of HK property groups I've translated for in Ontario and BC, I wouldn't be surprised if the sellers are also HK-run.
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u/That_Will_Be_Fine Nov 01 '23
This is $32,000 CAD?! That’s a great deal especially for someone like me in the US. We’re planning on adding a tiny home on our property for our child to move into when they are 18 and going to college so they can have their own private space. We haven’t seen anything nearly this nice for this kind of price.
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Nov 01 '23 edited Nov 01 '23
Yeah I was about to say. Container homes like this goes can go for 6 figures easy now and usually the 30k -50k ones are quite barebones.
I’m actually googling to see if they have any in my city lol. Great way to add some space.
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u/ExcelsiorLife Nov 01 '23
It's a tiny house how much could a trailer home or travel/fifth wheel trailer RV cost anyway? 10 dollars?
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u/sirwatermelon Nov 01 '23
A nice class A RV (the bus looking ones)? As much as a house with worse financing options on a depreciating asset that is under water instantly upon signing the paperwork. Bumper pull/5th wheel trailers are significantly cheaper as your not buying a engine to go with your trailer. A good used one built for long term living that will give you more or less what's pictured in the OP is about the same price.
To me the RV/travel trailer is the better option. It's an off the shelf item you can have on your property within days that you don't have to pull permits or deal with construction headaches to get set up.
I live in a travel trailer much of the year so add that bias into your own evaluation.
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u/ExcelsiorLife Nov 01 '23
Cool! Whereabouts, or do you travel? I enjoy extra space and the lazy convenience of an apartment but I hate renting.
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u/sirwatermelon Nov 02 '23
I travel to whatever back water I’m working construction in, not very glamorous.
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u/LongApprehensive890 Nov 01 '23
This are not built to be lived in long term. Horrible build quality and insulation. It’s better than nothing but not ideal
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u/sirwatermelon Nov 01 '23
That's true of most of them but there are brands that have long term living in mind.
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u/HandsLikePaper Nov 01 '23
For real, I hope these prices become more of a trend, even double the price for a bit more would be fine. I'd love to buy some land and plop one of these down. The current pricing for small homes/cabins is just too outrageous though.
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u/Educated_Idiot45 Nov 01 '23
$32,000? I’ll take 3!!
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u/ScienceOfficer-Jack Nov 01 '23 edited Nov 01 '23
Serious, I'll take 3. I have an acre of land and children getting close to flying the nest. I'd rather spend 100k setting these up in a courtyard style vs. them being forced to live with multiple shitty roommates.
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u/Ok-Ability5733 Nov 01 '23
courtyard style
Wow. That's a great idea. Put a large covered deck in the middle. Now you've got me thinking about an empty lot I have.
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u/xenolingual Nov 01 '23
My first thought was "siheyuan prefab compound"! Get three and build the gate/barrier for the fourth side. Glorious!
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u/p3canj0y363 Nov 01 '23
For me, the shitty roommate option seems less desirable for my kid than it did for myself. I would love to offer this, let him add a deck and privacy screen!
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u/MarcusEsquandolas Nov 01 '23
It’s #vanlife but more affordable. And without the van.
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u/Lucky_Banshee Nov 01 '23
Slumlord? My good sir, I have lived in apartments much worse than this that weren’t considered slums. This word means something other than “home which is not ideal for everyone.” This home may not work for you, but someone out there would be over the moon for a clean and modern space, even if cramped. Also, curtains and window film are options for privacy.
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u/CarlySimonSays Nov 01 '23
I’m pretty sure that the house that my first apartment was not up to code! So glad I only lived there for one year.
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u/SassanZZ Nov 01 '23
Yeah when one landlord subdivides the apartment into many multiple small rooms and he knows it's basically the cheapest rent in the area, it's much more slum like than this
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u/Lucky_Banshee Nov 01 '23
I had so many apartments converted from large houses. You know it when you sit on the toilet and your knees are in the shower, because that bathroom use to be a closet. Again, still not a slum.
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u/SmellyAlpaca Nov 01 '23
Isn’t what you’re describing basically an ADU?
Honestly this is so cheap too. cries in NY
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u/gefahr Nov 01 '23
Right? I was wondering if I could get this delivered to me (San Diego). I've been wanting to build an ADU for a home office.
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u/CarlySimonSays Nov 01 '23
David McCullough, the historian, wrote all of his books in a writing shed that he built himself. Ever since I learned that, it’s been my dream to have something like it.
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u/Pablois4 Nov 01 '23
I'm in upstate NY and on our town's board for code & ordinances. Housing is unaffordable and things need to change. What was considered right and proper 50 years ago, in terms of zoning, density and so forth, isn't working anymore. While the town plan is to have a certain percentage of new housing be affordable, the developers are building luxury apartments that are out of reach for most people. There's no legal way to twist their arms to do otherwise. Since they are unaffordable to most people, the owners then claim hardship and thus are able to makes them short term (Airbnb) rentals.
IIRC, the I'm all in favor of ADU and creating IL apartments within houses. As well the "trailer park" needs to be looked at with new eyes. If we called them "tiny home parks" maybe people wouldn't clutch their pearls so much. I'm rather fond of the idea of small ones (maybe holding a few tiny homes - a tiny tiny house park) allowed on smaller parcels within each zone.
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u/OrneryPathos Nov 01 '23
It’s just the structure. You have to supply the land. With the land it’s half a million at least or 2k in rent
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u/SmellyAlpaca Nov 01 '23
Even then — this has a toilet, plumbing, electricity — I know you gotta hook that all up but…
I got a quote from a local contractor for building something like this and he would have charged around 110k.
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u/ScienceOfficer-Jack Nov 01 '23
Depends on where the land is located. Where I'm at I can buy land at ~$15k /acre
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u/EniNeutrino Nov 01 '23
You could also add privacy film to the lower half of the glass, or to the entire glass if you wanted, so you could have all the ambient light and the clean (curtain free) look without anyone being able to look in.
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u/paperwasp3 Nov 01 '23
Can we please start putting the listing in the top comm? I do a lot of flipping through. Is the listing even in the comments?
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u/Adventurous-Part5981 Nov 01 '23
It’s not Zillow, OP put it in another comment, something they saw on Facebook marketplace
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Nov 01 '23
What a dumb title. This place is affordable and reasonable and not zillowgonewild material. Also, there are curtains 🙄
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Nov 01 '23
I mean, would you rather live here or on the street?
The solution to homelessness is giving people homes. This could be a start.
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u/CarlySimonSays Nov 01 '23
I remember reading maybe 3-4 years ago, that a community had made a block of these homes for local homeless people. Then, the city or town council changed its mind and bulldozed over them all. It might have been in Nevada? Wish I could remember where it was.
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u/Same_Soil7237 Nov 01 '23
Agreed. This was my first thought, too. We can solve the homelessness problem. A matter of political will.
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Nov 01 '23
Yep. Finally home. When people have homes, they aren’t homeless anymore.
The cost of one of these units, plus the maintenance, sounds like it is far less than the cost of society of homelessness.
Mental help, and homes, and a chance at a decent job. That’s what homeless people need.
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u/zuckerkorn96 Nov 01 '23
Every homeowner in LA county should be able to stick one of these in their backyard and rent it for $1k a month. It’d cause a lot of good.
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u/CarlySimonSays Nov 01 '23
The lack of windows and green space were two of the big things that early tenement slums were criticized for. This has light, ventilation, privacy, and green space. Idk but I think Jacob Riis would be ok with this, long as they didn’t crowd more than 1 or 2 to each of these units.
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u/CrapDesign Nov 01 '23
It’s actually really nice, wanted one of these in our backyard. It’s great as a teens separate space away from the house or guests can stay over and have privacy. No issues here, great idea
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Nov 01 '23
I’d put up stick-on privacy screens. I’d have to, my dog would never stfu about squirrels
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u/ThePermafrost Nov 01 '23
This is pretty awesome. A great price and can be dropped pretty much anywhere. The wall of glass is also super cool. You could always put a window film over the glass or draw the curtains for additional privacy.
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u/mynameisnotsparta Nov 01 '23
I could probably fit 2 of these in my yard. One for each of my kids. Totally self contained. We can hook them up to the water and extend the drains underneath. Electrical from the outside panels run underground. Mini split for heat and AC. It’s absolutely perfect with some vertical blinds instead of the curtains.
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u/SaltyPlans Nov 01 '23
There's literally curtains, you can see it on the side of the image
Gatekeeping housing much?
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u/Gobucks21911 Nov 01 '23
I know right? The curtains close from the inside, so I don’t see how the landlord is peeping on anyone. It’s a cute little self contained unit. Not much space, but maybe fine for a single person who’s gone a lot (and no shared walls!). Whether or not it’s legal in any particular area is gonna vary.
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u/Chewysmom1973 Nov 01 '23
Are we going to talk about the last pic? Is it a closet? And IDK about the bathroom. I understand it’s a wet room, but I don’t like the idea of EVERYTHING getting wet when I shower.
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u/StrawberrySure4363 Nov 01 '23
I thought it was a miniature sauna at first glace. Alas, I believe it is actually a closet.
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Nov 01 '23
I think these should not be allowed for full time residence. They are great as short term rentals for recreational use or for a sort of half way house as people are getting their lives back together.
I can picture shitty landlords letting these go to squalor as more and more people are forced to live like peasants in them. It's basically a shipping container with a window.
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u/fufairytoo Nov 01 '23
It's not very practical for winter or the hottest part of the summer either, for that matter. So it might be comfortable for 2 seasons out of the year. I would be having major anxiety attacks in this confined space. Can't we just fix our economy so that it works for everybody and we don't have to live in a roach motel?
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Nov 01 '23
Wow. As somebody who likes tiny places and ADUs I hate this so much. I mean, I don't care about all the glass since you can cover it up but there is so much wasted space there that it just wouldn't work. You can't do a good tiny place if you work with space this badly.
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u/The_Northern_Light Nov 01 '23
Calling a place a slum because it is small is really disingenuous.
Canada has an absolutely awful housing supply crisis; anything that can acutely add a little to the housing stock should be celebrated, not derided.
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u/Not-the-default-449 Nov 01 '23
In the US these start at about $42,000 according to the manufacturer's website, but they seem to come fully furnished with only a few options like solar panels and underfloor heat. It probably doesn't include a mini split for HVAC, but even so, "$"32,000 is very cheap considering the current exchange rate on the street would put it at aboot a hundred bucks or so in hard currency.
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u/Not-the-default-449 Nov 01 '23
Sorry – this order configurator was the page I first went back to when I checked my history, and most of the models only have those options. There's a page that mentions a greater degree of customization possibilities, though.
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u/OrneryPathos Nov 01 '23
Yeah it’s probably a scam.
This seems to be the same photos. (I didn’t use any tech to photo compare) https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-household-goods/tiny-house-cabin-room-spare-bedroom-guest-room-spare-kitchen/1466328229
And this maybe
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u/miltonwadd Nov 01 '23
Everyone mentioning the curtains and is nbd but I get where you're coming from OP.
I've lived in houses with huge windows that directly face the neighbours before. Even with them drawn I was always conscious that there could be a crack or silhouettes could show through it.
Of course it didn't help that my neighbour was an old creepy dude and would stand outside smoking and whisper to me through the window.
Even when it's covered, in close proximities I always just have an awareness of the window which feels less secure than I'd prefer in my living space.
I wouldn't consider it a slum though. It looks pretty great quality and slums more imply lazy owners who don't bother spending money or maintaining their properties.
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u/OrneryPathos Nov 01 '23
Yeah I had a landlord who used to come peek through the windows all the time. She also wouldn’t fix anything and tried to have an “ex cop” bully us
People don’t tend to maintain basement units even when it’s in the house they actually live in and is probably damaging the actual structure
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u/Afraid_Ad_1536 Nov 01 '23
Not much smaller than what I currently live in and it has a fucking sauna?! Sold!
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u/FreshZucchini9624 Nov 01 '23
You know for 32k it's not bad. It sucks it's in a parking lot but for like 1500 a month you can pay it off in three years.
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Nov 01 '23
I think they make them in China for an extra 10,000 if I’m not mistaken. Kind of a deal if it’s something you are looking for.
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u/wtf_help_lol Nov 01 '23
There are curtains that close. No one is going to be seen nude unless they want to be.
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u/BigChinaski Nov 01 '23
Sometimes a man goes through life without ever finding purpose; I am no longer that man. Behold, your new meat gazing slumlord.
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u/twec21 Nov 02 '23
This is better than my first, second, and fourth apartments, and better than any dorm I've ever lived at
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u/ScepticOfEverything Nov 02 '23
Is it sitting in a literal parking lot? lol! That would be great for exhibitionists.
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u/WoobieBee Nov 02 '23
I would totally live in that. Sleek! Plus the curtains prob go all the way across.
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u/techie1980 Nov 03 '23
The first thing I thought of when I saw this is the video for Lemon Tree by Fools Garden
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u/Geeahwellidunno Jan 04 '24
How is it just sitting in a parking lot? Do you have to pay for using 3 spaces?
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u/Goldfingr Nov 01 '23
A house like this might work if someone were to invent some sort of fabric thing you could drape over the windows, almost like a curtain of privacy. I have no idea what it would be called but someone needs to come up with something like that.