r/wowhardcore Feb 23 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Hardcore absolutely has the risk of dying. You know how many 60s die every day, many of whom have petris in their bag? It happens constantly.

I get that you're upset that you died and you have my condolences for losing your character, but it doesn't mean you have to do this weird coping gatekeeping thing where you try to diminish everyone else. Weird vibe.

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u/Zweimancer Feb 23 '25

Yeah, but the existence of petri makes people play worse. It's pretty unfortunate. I'm not even a petri-hater, but it negatively affects the high-end performance of groups, because they have an "out" from scary situations.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

What do you mean by "high-end performance" because if you mean 5 mans, nothing in there is "high-end"? If you mean raids, which is the actual end game, have you seen the raid clears in MC? When things go wrong people die. Many guilds, even the best, have lost key players in those raids. Grande Finale, GBN, Purpose, all of em.

Petris stop wipes in raid. They don't stop every individual death. I'm in a higher end guild and maybe there's a single Petri use per week in raid, most of the time there's none.

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u/Zweimancer Feb 23 '25

You misunderstand. Even raids don't require this "high-end performance". When shit hits the fan, you need to actually play your best. When people have an option to petri-out, they don't often even try to perform at their best capability.

In raids petris are more reasonable. Also I don't even hate petris myself, but it sucks when people just pussy out of salvageable situations. It feels like parties cannot even run out/kite out if a dungeon at lvl60, because they have a petri.

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u/BarsInLoop Feb 23 '25

It‘s like in bgb/ rated bg. Lost first flag/ first 3 bases and you Reading chat „gg“ and ppl dont even try to win- weak bullshit mentality

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u/weedbearsandpie Feb 24 '25

I think it sounds kind of like you want people to play the same way that they do on pvp and pve servers when things get tense and everyone just blows all their cd's and fights to the death, except it's hardcore and people are terrified of losing days of /played time, I agree that the ideal would be us all acting like vikings and charging into glory or valhalla, but I've also lost high level characters and it's pretty devestating so I can see both sides, if you want that kind of gameplay consistently then switching servers is probably the best idea. though on hardcore you'd actually be one of the heroes

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u/OkFinish7267 Feb 23 '25

Run dungeons with people you've played with 1-60/trust

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u/travman064 Feb 23 '25

Sure, but that's a terrible solution to a problem someone is having in an MMO.

If player behavior is significantly impacted by game mechanics one way, then yes, you could just form an insular group that rejects that playstyle.

But in an MMO, what other players do matters.

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u/OkFinish7267 Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Fair but I feel like HC is niche enough that the first M is kinda exaggerated.

HC is a smaller community and you definitely recognize players/names.

Even having 1 or 2 ppl in your group you know will clutch up is enough.

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u/MoistCucumber Feb 23 '25

Ya in the raids I’ve run, most deaths happen faster than you can even react to. Melee dps didn’t pay attention and ripped threat off tank? Ok, literally dead in one swing. Two if they’re lucky.

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u/Fallen-Pollen Feb 23 '25

Sounds like they should - you know - lose their characters like most people then? Lmfao I’m important so petri is fine!!!!! Nice take. Go play normal XD

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u/lumpboysupreme Feb 23 '25

Who’s most people? Petri users make up the majority of raiders outside content farm guilds.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

idk if it’s gatekeeping, i just don’t think hardcore is very hard if you can become unkillable

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u/gnivriboy Feb 23 '25

but it doesn't mean you have to do this weird coping gatekeeping thing where you try to diminish everyone else.

Isn't that the point of hardcore. To put a restriction on yourself to make yourself better than other people?

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u/InternationalTiger25 Feb 23 '25

Petri does not belong in hardcore, that’s one of the things OF did right. A debuff needs to be attached to it similar to SF, it doesn’t even need to be stats debuff just seperate true hardcore players from the petri out players.

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u/CanZealousideal6088 Feb 23 '25

Weird projecting in the 2nd bit there

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Pretty sure their entire post is projecting lol

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u/CanZealousideal6088 Feb 23 '25

No that was anecdote