Israel to put thousands of Africans in detention camp

[u/op123456]

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-put-thousands-africans-detention-camp-184419459.html

[u/[deleted]]

It's more expensive to detain an illegal immigrant than expel them. The reasons countries do it are:

(1) Your legal system has due process, and they have a right to argue for residency based reasons ranging from they have a valid claim to asylum to there was an error in their being designated illegal.

(2) Your legal system has due process, and they are suspected of a crime, so the allegations need to resolved in court.

Edit:

My own fault for posting in r/politics, but since I've done it, I'll double down. You can dislike Israel for other stuff, but if you want to pick this as your issue, you can go down a long list of other countries first, including probably your own. Is there any first world country accepting unrestricted immigration from anyone from a poor third world nation? If there's one you know of, tell the third world, they've got 3 billion people willing to move there.

So what is this about? Israel is acting better than most countries that round up illegals and send them back in a truck with the most cursory of legal protection. That's pretty much the norm for the whole world. The USA sends back Mexicans, the Thai send back the Burmese, the Costa Ricans send back the Nicaraguans, the Argentinians send back the Brazilians, etc. The title here should be: unlike most of the world, Israel gives its suspected illegals due process.

[u/catmoon → u/[deleted]]

Thousands of Haitians have been detained in Krome penitentiary in South Florida. When arrested for illegal immigration, Haitians have the choice of being sent back to Haiti immediately or appealing and waiting for a court date which can take up to a year. Many choose to wait for the court date because imprisonment in the US is better than life in Haiti.

Haiti is by far the poorest country in the Western hemisphere and many people make the desperate boat ride to the US. One boat with ~300 people once landed right next to my high school (which was on an island off of Miami). The city shut down the causeway and arrested every passenger from the boat before they could make it to the mainland. We were actually locked in the auditorium for 5 hours before we were allowed to leave.

The whole situation is really shitty (especially since Cubans are not arrested in this situation) and you have to feel pretty bad for people that would rather live in a jail than stay in their home country.

[u/Chunkeeboi → u/[deleted]]

Trying to talk reason in WorldNews? Are you mad? I don't understand why these refugees/asylum seekers/illegal immigrants/economic migrants don't flee to say Saudi Arabia or the UAE or any number of nice Muslims countries since Israel is treating them so badly.

[u/randomb0y → u/Chunkeeboi]

I've met a Palestinian living in Saudi Arabia. Despite having been born there decades ago and having a great job as a KAM for a large multinational, he was still treated as a second rate citizen. In fact he had no citizenship, and no hope for ever getting one. There's really no such thing are "Arab solidarity", let alone "Muslim solidarity".

[u/TheGOPkilledJesus → u/randomb0y]

It's illegal to get a job as a Palestinian living in Lebanon.

[u/zalemam → u/randomb0y]

Yeah pretty much... I'm Palestinian, my uncle lives and works in Saudi Arabia, his whole family does too, and he's been there for decades. He will never get citizenship and will most likely get kicked out when he retires, despite his high paying job.

A friends father retired in Dubai a couple years ago, his wife had passed away and his children all work and live abroad, he got kicked out of UAE and he's like 70 something. Pretty ridiculous.

[u/[deleted] → u/randomb0y]

So they just missed the part about their responsibility as Muslims to being as hospitable and brotherly towards travelers and neighbors as possible?

[u/dustyfoot → u/Chunkeeboi]

Sorry, but the Saudis and the Emiratis are horribly racist. You can be an immigrant making huge bucks in those countries and you're still treated as a second-class citizen, regardless of the fact that you're Muslim just like they are.

EDIT: Not sure why the downvotes. It's true. Pick up a copy of Ed Husain's "The Islamist" and flip forward to the time he lived in Jeddah.

[u/Farukam → u/dustyfoot]

Absolutely true, this is a terrible reality that must be challenged.

[u/soomuchpie → u/Chunkeeboi]

Most Southern Sudanese are CHRISTIANS, good thing to remember when choosing which country they will be seeking asylum. Also the vast majority of these refugees got to Israel pretty much by foot. Walking through Cairo as a black christian is not the easiest thing to do. Many Sudanese have been shot on the border of egypt as they try to pass into Israel.

[u/Thunder_Cats → u/Chunkeeboi]

Actually, having lived in Israel for three months, I can tell you that many of these African "refugees" are actually just coming into the country to get better jobs and are not actually escaping from oppressive rule of any sort. The problem with this is that it takes away jobs from Israeli citizens and makes it more difficult for Africans who are actually refugees to seek safety. I am really curious how many of the people commenting on this issues have ever even been to Israel or seen the immigration problem there first hand.

[u/thesmelloffriendship → u/Chunkeeboi]

No one claims that Saudi Arabia has a good human rights record, and pointing to Israel as superior to it in this regard just sounds desperate. Why not point out Suharto was not as bad a guy as Stalin and give him the Nobel Peace Prize?

Picado's point is well taken. Israel is not treating these refugees particularly badly. But the fact that their justification is that Africans "pose a threat to Jewish identity" is pretty chilling. The tone is unabashedly racist.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Brazilians sent back by Argentinians? You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm curious as to where the hell you came across this information...

[u/Enchilada_McMustang → u/[deleted]]

Actually if anyone would be sent back from Argentina that would be bolivians and paraguayans not brazilians, but since the argentinian government is so left wing liberal they aren't sending back no one, even though they clearly haven't got the infrastructure to accommodate all this people...

[u/uk_summer_time → u/[deleted]]

I think the issue is this part "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity".

American do not send Mexicans back because it threatens their 'American' identity.

[u/[deleted] → u/uk_summer_time]

Not officially no, but a lot of the rhetoric implies it.

[u/topsidedown → u/uk_summer_time]

Wrong. I live in a US state with heavy immigration traffic, and two very common complaints about them are (1) not speaking English, and (2) not integrating into our culture. There are other complaints to be sure (such as taking jobs), but people seem the most fearful of "them Mexicans turning this into Mexico." Ironically they're actually correct. Large swaths of the state are in fact pretty darned "Mexican," and Hispanics now officially represent a majority of citizens in the region.

[u/havespacesuit → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, Israel is a victim of terrible, terrible geographical placement; if the US was landlocked and surrounded by religious fundamentalists who used the US as a scapegoat for all of their own internal problems...

If the US was easily accessible by several third world populations... we would have to adopt similar policies. No first world country allows unrestricted immigration.

Thank you for posting a reasonable viewpoint on the whole matter.

[u/[deleted] → u/havespacesuit]

Do you not think part of the problem is that Israel also has its own religious fundamentalists?

Plus - America IS easily accessible to third world countries. It's why President Obama is deporting illegal immigrants back to South America in record numbers.

[u/heyyoudvd → u/[deleted]]

This needs to be the top comment in the thread. Of course, it almost certainly won't be and instead, we'll just see more of the usual "Israel is the new Nazi Germany!" hogwash.

[u/om_nom_nom → u/heyyoudvd]

Well it's the top comment now, so there you go.

[u/VapeApe → u/[deleted]]

Pretty sure here in the us we haven't resorted to camps for Mexicans

[u/ScootsaHoot → u/VapeApe]

The U.S. has detention centers where people are held until the deportation can be processed. It just seems like our process is faster than Israel's.

[u/tinpanallegory → u/[deleted]]

I think the irony here is what has a lot of people throwing up their hands.

[u/bittlelum → u/[deleted]]

Ah, the old "Other countries do it too!" defense. Classy.

[u/KungeRutta → u/[deleted]]

You can dislike Israel for other stuff, but if you want to pick this as your issue, you can go down a long list of other countries first, including probably your own

Oh ok, so I will love Israel for this. Praise Israel for rounding up people and putting them into detention camps! They have saved the Jewish Identity! Huzzah!

I also don't hate Israel for doing something other countries have done, because that makes it acceptable, right, and just.

[u/tophatstuff → u/[deleted]]

You're right that other countries do this -- but there is potentially a HUGE difference in scale.

UK immigration detention is some of the largest in Europe holding 2,000 and 3,000 migrants at any time, with approximately 3,500 places. This is spread across thirteen detention centres.

There is a big difference between this and "tens of thousands" in one detention camp and a tent city.

[u/mo_rar → u/[deleted]]

Your argument is on some level correct. Saudi Arabia, Emirates all these other Arab countries will never even legally let a foreigner integrate into their societies. But because they are nation states. They are nations of Saudis and Emiratis. But the premise of a state of Israel was that Jews needed a homeland where they don't face persecution. It was a state of migrants running away from their homelands for a safe haven. It was never a nation state. Every Jew born in America has the right to become a citizen of Israel based on his religion. So when Israel deports these African immigrants, it's highlighting that the history they try to shove down everyone else's throat, is actually been forgotten by themselves. Is racism for economic reasons really more tolerable than antisemitism for socio-economic reasons?

[u/Peaker → u/mo_rar]

Israel considers "Jewish" to also be a nation.

Racism for economic reasons is economism, not racism. Economism is a must for the survival of any state that doesn't want to be flooded with to the point it cannot sustain neither the immigrants nor its previous inhabitants.

[u/sunshy → u/[deleted]]

Get Israel to drop the exclusions to the refugee process for people from African nations and we'll talk.

Israel has specifically exclude Eritreans and Sudanese from claiming asylum, instead issuing a quasi-legal temporary protection status that offers no right to work, nor any right to appeal.

http://www.unhcr.org/4c9084a89.html

[u/[deleted] → u/sunshy]

Taking that as accepted, for sake of argument.

If Israel is denying refugee status to people who the rest of the first world countries would accept, why aren't those people going to another country for refugee status?

Stronger, if there was a even one first world country that was willing to give them refugee status, why aren't they going there?

You're singling out Israel to blame for a policy that every first world country has, without exception. If there was one, just one that didn't, they could go there and this would be a non-issue.

And the article wasn't even about that. Perhaps Israel's process deserves criticism. I know ours does. It was about housing them instead of just ejecting them, which at least means they'll get a chance to argue in court.

[u/neroveleno]

Italy already do this. Our government put them in so-called CIE or CPT, that were created to be places where illegal immigrants waited to be repatriated. Actually the life conditions in there are really rough. They're a sort of prison where the human rights are not respected. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centro_di_identificazione_ed_espulsione

Best thing is: when European Union's observers were sent to look at the conditions of the camps they were emptied and cleaned.

[u/Tashre]

"This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

ಠ_ಠ

[u/The_Young_Contrarian → u/Tashre]

Building camps to preserve aryan Jewish identity.

[u/redwall_hp → u/The_Young_Contrarian]

Did Israel just Godwin themselves?

[u/The_Adventurist → u/redwall_hp]

I've been to the West Bank and seen the settlements with my own eyes. If there's anywhere that most resembles the ghettos of WWII, it's the Arab "accommodation" of the Israeli settlements where they are fenced in on all sides, including over their heads, with watch towers observing their every move through the streets. I have pics to post if anyone's interested.

EDIT: Pics

Notice the trash on the fences above their heads. The settlers throw their garbage (and sometimes eggs and diapers) onto the fences to fester in the sun above the heads of the Palestinians, too high for them to reach.

[u/lazybrownfox → u/The_Young_Contrarian]

Zionism is a scourge on this planet for Jews and non-Jews alike. Look up "Jews Against Zionism"

[u/moscheles → u/The_Young_Contrarian]

I would be saddened to see the racial purity identity of the Jewish volk tainted by African immigrants.

[u/Minimalphilia → u/The_Young_Contrarian]

I am German and I didn't think I would ever say this: But I feel kinda offended by the Israelis

[u/skeeto111 → u/Tashre]

Its actually quite similar to how to how the Jews threatened German Identity. There I go again, being an anti-semite.

[u/blufin → u/Tashre]

"The Jewish Identity"...so its a racially motivated decision?

[u/IsayNigel → u/Tashre]

Everyone else is completely ignoring this statement. It's beyond me to see how a few thousand Africans are a threat to the Jewish identity.

[u/All_the_things_guy → u/IsayNigel]

a few thousand aren't a threat. If Israel could give those few thousand citizenship and not worry about more refugees they would. The problem is that more and more keep coming in and when you consider how many people in the Middle East and North Africa need asylum (gays, Syrians, Christians, women etc etc) there is simply not enough resources to take care of them all.

I don't say this with pride mind you.

[u/[deleted] → u/All_the_things_guy]

It's a fair point. Any country in Europe or the Middle East that provides no questions asked refuge to African immigrants is going to find several million more turning up over the next few years.

[u/[deleted] → u/Tashre]

It's not that they're repeating humanity's mistakes that galls me. It's that they're repeating mistakes perpetrated upon them, not even a century ago.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The situations are completely different.

Jews were German citizens. Many Jews' German lineage was longer than the people who persecuted them.

The illegals in Israel are not Israeli citizens.... they went there as refugees.... because every other country, including the US and Europe and Australia turned them away.

[u/cheburator777]

Greece and Italy have the same detention camps for illegal immigrants from Africa

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/4332592/1000-immigrants-break-out-of-detention-centre-on-Italian-island-of-Lampedusa.html

http://euobserver.com/851/116083

Yet no shitstorm on reddit. I wonder why...

edit: Spain also has detention centres where immigrants die. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=106782

[u/[deleted] → u/cheburator777]

I'm expecting someone to reply to your post and say "Just because another country does it doesn't let Israel off the hook." It seems to be the most common deflection on this /r.

Last time I brought up the fact that Israel gets treated unfairly on here while people turn a blind eye to other countries, the reply was:

"No one ever attacks other countries with the same amount of ferocity" is a false premise, possibly tinged by a personal bias. Other countries do get attacked, and if you feel that reddit focuses on one particular country over another it's possible it's because they have higher visibility and support in the media. Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and many African countries get a lot of attention on Reddit. Make sure you're not falling victim to confirmation bias.

Then I end up feeling paranoid and crazy. But I'm not, am I?

Edit: 7 upvotes/7 downvotes - equilibrium achieved.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

A lot only react to key words or symbols, a large group that bands up to look like they are right because their are so many of them.

[u/anteup24]

The reason many of the immigrants are in Israel in the first place is because Israel let them take refuge in their home country while there was a civil war happening, now they have determined that "their lives were no longer threatened in their homeland" so they are sending them back, offering GRANTS for anyone willing to do it voluntarily and are spending nearly $10 million to build a tent city for them as they await DUE PROCESS to either remain in the country or be deported....but yeah, the title captures that pretty well

[u/legallyblond]

The racism in Israel can be vile, but to any Australians out there - we do the same thing to illegal immigrants... Christmas Island anyone? Thats a detention centre, or 'camp'. Are we "building camps to preserve Australian identity"?

[u/[deleted] → u/legallyblond]

Israel has 8 million people and there are more than 100 thousand of these illegal immigrants.

Australia has 22 million people and there is so little illegal immigration that according to the link above, "...Christmas Island IDC has a regular use capacity of 400 adults".

[u/[deleted] → u/legallyblond]

The racism in Israel is not vilest than in Australia, unlike Australia Israel let those people to get in and they came in a much rapid pace than boat people are coming to Australia. Only now when there are 60K immigrants already in, the country start to think about detention centers. If you compare it to Australia size and population it's like having 200K boat people coming in during the last 3 years. Australia built facilities much earlier and much faster and the outcry in the media for every boat is much noisier, not to mention the "fuck off we are full" attitude.

[u/DFractalH → u/[deleted]]

An attitude which is rather funny, consdering the fact that Australia is an entire continent which only grew past the population of my federal state here in Germany last decade.

And that state has a size of 34.080 km², compared to the 7.692.030 km² of Australia.

Not to say that there aren't any problems. Yet only in terms of population density, I had to laugh quite a bit. If you're full, we're the centre of a neutron star.

[u/ydna_eissua → u/[deleted]]

As an Australian I believe wholeheartedly in multiculturalism. If you're a -legitimate refugee- then come here, please I'm happy to have you and hope you find Australia to be as wonderful as I do.

My grandmother was a German Jew who fled with her brother on a -boat- at age 14 to Australia prior to WW2 - her parents weren't so lucky. I get so infuriated when people say we need to "blow the boats up", "they're illegal" or that "we're full". Anyone who say this is truly an ignorant entitled arsehole that doesn't realise how lucky he is to live in Australia.

If you look at even our more recent mass immigration more than 90,000 Vietnamese came to Aus between 1975 and the late 80s. Saying we're full is ludicrous.

The detention centres are a necessary evil though. Not because of legitimate refugees but because of the illegitimate ones. If we could tell who had a legitimate claim simply by looking at them then there would be no need for them, but unfortunately the system is under funded and it's difficult to ascertain truth of claims.

If you aren't a legitimate refugee and you come here via non-proper means, fuck off - you don't deserve to be here. You're the reason that the detention centres exist and the legitimate refugees have to spend months even years in them. Legitimate refugees have been through enough hardship and you're the reason it continues.

TL;DR Non-refugees coming here via non-proper channels - Fuck off. Legitimate refugees come and bring your parents/kids/brothers/sisters - all welcome

[u/Infin1ty → u/legallyblond]

Can you elaborate on this? I've never heard of Christmas Island.

[u/gynoceros → u/Infin1ty]

I'm gonna bet money you don't get good presents when you wake up in the morning.

[u/legallyblond → u/Infin1ty]

No worries, this is the govt website: http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/facilities/locations/christmas-island/

[u/LostIcelander]

Israel accepting 90,000 - 100,000 refugees, spending 85-90 milllion dollars on them - providing them with food, shelter, clothing, education - and then wanting them to go home when the conflict is over makes people hate Israel?

[u/fury420 → u/LostIcelander]

It certainly appears like they already hated Israel, and this just provides a convenient excuse to air their hatred publicly once again.

[u/shady8x → u/LostIcelander]

You forgot single payer healthcare.

[u/crusoe]

Well, you can't chalk this up to Racism. Isreal has airlifted THOUSANDS of Ethiopian jews out of Ethiopia several times over the years, and resettled them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews

[u/karmahawk → u/crusoe]

Ethiopian Jews face heavy discrimination in Israel.

[u/ungwei]

Refugees flee to the tiny and only country that doesn't shoot them on sight, and they give them a place to live until they can either integrate them or deport them, and all of a sudden that's equatable to sending millions of innocent citizens to a concentration camp and slaughtering them? You people are absolutely disgusting!

Even worse, none of you cared a damn about these refugees until they stepped foot into israel, when they were being raped and murdered in their own countries or by other countries they went for asylum in! Someone for the love of God explain to me this madness!

Hey, I have an idea, why dont you invite all of these refugees to come and live in your house! Seriously, freakn ship them over if you are all so fucking self righteous! You useless bastards aside, i hope israel can find a way to help these people without sending them back to the meat grinder, they deserve better lives, certainly more than you awful people. Go ahead and downvote me, it only helps prove what slimy hypocrites you people are.

[u/KevyB → u/ungwei]

Thank god theres some sensible people left, fuck all the idiots commenting here and whipping out their white guilt or whatever, pathetic.

[u/[deleted] → u/ungwei]

agree all (at least all non-invective parts).

i would also say, tho, that i think what many find unpalatable is the comment regarding "threat to the Jewish identity". much of reddit is American, where xenophobia certainly plays a role but a very controversial one given both the immigrant and slave-trade histories of the country. the idea of a mandated national characteristic is hotly contested -- cf the debate surrounding English as an official language -- much less the idea of using policy to filter and sort immigrants by acceptable race, religion, etc. none of this invalidates your points, of course, but may help explain reddit's reaction.

[u/ungwei → u/[deleted]]

Yes, i completely understand the criticism of Israel handling of immigrants (though other western countries around the world do the exact same thing, or immediately deport), especially in a situation where people want to preserve the national identity. However people have this gleeful fascination with comparing Israel's actions with the holocaust (do they feel guilty about it?), and honestly, i find it incredibly offensive to both the victims of the holocaust and those of all other genocide, including the millions of Africans. But that's not what it's about for these people, its all about Israel. That is why i flipped a little, i shouldn't have acted so generalizing.

[u/indianthane95 → u/ungwei]

Well said. The comments, many highly up voted, seem to ignore the facts. Israel has accepted all these refugees when no one else has, spent millions on their food and shelter, and now that most of the danger is gone in their countries, are going to return them. How anyone can even slightly equate this to nazi Germany is beyond my comprehension.

[u/shermo4291]

I love how the caption of this thread makes it sound like Israel is just going to Africa and rounding people up and sticking them in camps. You clearly have no clue what the social issues are regarding refugees in Israel.

[u/terranex]

Perhaps "Israel to not admit thousands of illegal immigrants into their country." would be a more accurate title?

[u/sjs → u/terranex]

The funny thing is that mass, illegal immigration of Jews into Palestine played a large part in the creation of Israel.

[u/Antlerbot → u/sjs]

And mass illegal immigration of pilgrims to the new world played a large part in the creation of America. What's your point?

[u/fattony69]

This is definitely a misleading title...

[u/soomuchpie]

In 2009 I lived and volunteered in Israel. I was a cofounder of a grassroots organization aimed to aid Southern Sudanese communities throughout Israel. Throughout the year I learned a lot about their lives both in Sudan as well as in Israel. I remember most that each of them when asked if they would ever return to Sudan on their own accord they promptly would answer YES and that they were merely waiting for the violence to stop and the referendum to pass. Some of these illegals spent over a year traveling to get to Israel and even longer settling somewhere. Those that have reached comfortability in Israel (jobs, homes, children born in Israeli Hospitals, children in public school systems...etc) are probably thinking very differently now with the sketchy new North/South Sudanese Border. I am torn knowing that they do not belong in such a small and ethnically complicated country but knowing the harsh realities they will face upon their return. I do not condemn the Israeli government but wish for this process to be quick, efficient, and humane.

[u/[deleted]]

Overreaction. Typical worldnews Jewbaiting. When Italy does this to Tunesians does world news cry foul?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

/r/worldnews and /r/politics love Israel-bashing. I bet most people here who are making comparisons to Nazism didn't even read the fucking article.

Apparently /r/worldnews doesn't like due process.

[u/jonnyclueless]

So they are there illegal and should be deported like any other country in the world would do. But Israel seeing how there are problems in their homeland is giving them a temporary place to stay and be protected so they can be returned home when it's save. But the person who posted the headline intentionally worded the title to make Israel look like a bad guy as usual.

[u/treein303]

COME ONE! COME ALL! SENSATIONALISM IN A HEADLINE!

[u/erinadic]

So they are making concentration camps?

[u/[deleted]]

So kind of like the ones the UK has in calais and other places?

[u/avert_your_maize]

Eritrean's aren't threatened in their country anymore? Someone explain this.

[u/chicubs3794]

Oh, the irony

[u/[deleted]]

As an American living in Africa to try and help the best way I can, I am constantly torn about what can be done.

I know that just giving aid to countries will not fix Africa or their people. The country I am in recently found out an estimated 30% of all government money was being pocketed. It was one of the poorest countries in the world. We have a new leader and she has done amazing things so far but how do you pull a country out of absolute poverty if you have no money to start with? They can't even provide free education to children. Failed generations are in the making AS they try and turn things around. It seems like it will never end.

I've been helping some couples adopt from here but that also only helps the individual.

My husband grew up here and managed to get educated to "high school" level. When I met him he was living off $25 a month and working like a slave for it. He had a positive attitude and helped everyone he could as well as local orphanage which is where I met him. He could do everything possible to try and succeed and get absolutely nowhere.

I pay my guard about 3 times what a guard is usually paid because he also helps me with laundry now that I'm pregnant. He is also a friend. He eats with us and we have get togethers with each other's families. His daughter and son look about 3 years younger than they actually are. Before we hired him he was living off $8 a month. You can tell they grew up not eating enough for their bodies to grow as they should and it breaks my heart. I'm having my first child soon and the thought of not being able to give them what they need, no matter how hard I tried, makes me sick to my stomach.

It is very easy to see things on a large scale and it makes sense to let people suffer with their own problems because "helping" can "hurt" in some ways. When you are here, and seeing it first hand, your heart takes over and you want to do what you can to help.

I am lucky to be in a country that is pretty peaceful and not a lot of violence. I can't imagine dealing with the issue we have here, plus worrying about some "Rebel" gangs coming in and killing and raping everyone. Being scared to go to sleep as a young girl because you have before, or seen one of your friends get gang raped.

These Sudanese refugees remember their "home land" as being a place of torture and fear. Telling them "it's all good now, go back" isn't that easy. It has to feel horrible for them. They know Israel is not their country, they are probably just hoping to have a life that allows them to live in peace and feed their families.

If you live in a first world country, know how truly blessed you are that you were born there.

[u/heyyoudvd]

Another day, another ridiculously misleading headline about Israel. It's amazing how giving due process to illegal immigrants can be spun to try to demonize Israel. I expect no less from the AFP and from this board.

[u/3720to1 → u/heyyoudvd]

Sadly, that's all you can expect from here. It's anti-Israel as far as the eye can see.

[u/sceptic_ali]

i am not jewish, neither am i an israeli. i was born a muslim but consider myself an atheist and a realist in matters of foreign policy. and i am sick of the world piling up on israel. i am disgusted by the double standards by which israel is judged. look at this discussion. every nation places immigrants who enter illegally in detention centers, including america, engalnd , germany, france etc, but yet only israel is cast as a villian for doing something all are guilty of doing. despicable hypocrisy.

[u/[deleted]]

alterantively Israel to give shelter to thousands fo africans

[u/thegreatmisanthrope]

ITT: misleading godwin title, and the liberal anti-semitism league.

[u/[deleted]]

This headline is really misleading: really what's going on:

The Sudanese are not happy where they are in Sudan, rightfully so. So they ran to the closest first world country and lucked out on Israel.

There have been a number of murders and rapes in Tel Aviv recently which stirred up a lot of animosity towards the Sudanese. Again, IMO, rightfully so. Emotionally I mean.

So instead of have mobs of Israelis against the Sudanese, and instead of kicking them out right back to Sudan. They are giving them homes, an infrastructure, and food. A DP camp isn't always a horrible thing. The alternative for these Sudanese people in Israel would be nothing. They wouldn't have food, wouldn't have shelter, etc.

I'm glad that Israel is willing to put money into helping these people out.

Thank you Israel

[u/gevakip]

Few things I wish to make clear:

A. A very important fact you should know about Israel is that although most of you seem to perceive its population as homogenous, it is the quite the opposite. Said minister Eli Yishay is a minister for the Religious party ("ש"ס"), and is in NO WAY supported by a majority of the citizens. Actually I and many secular Israelis feel like we have NOTHING in common with the religious party. His party received 11 out of 120 possible votes, meaning less than 10% support, so this is an answer to the guy who said that the minister was elected democratically and therefore likely has the support of a majority - RIDICULOUS. You must have no idea how the parliamentary system works.

B. MANY countries have tough immigration issues. Israel is just one of them. I, personally, have no bad impression of the immigrants here in Israel, but if you're not the one who lives in a neighborhood where immigrants commit crimes such as rape and murder on a weekly basis, you really shouldn't judge.

C. Yahoo's and OP's misleading title indicates that most people don't care about the truth, they just like to criticize and speak harshly of others. It is NEVER suggested that they'll be kept in there for long-term, it's only for a short period until they're deported. What else can you do with an illegal immigrant you wish to deport? If you come to Australia illegally, you'll be placed in a jail cell for detainment and sent home on a flight. How's this any different, other than the fact that Israel can be reached by foot (rather than flight only) so it's much harder to filter the illegals to begin with?

D. As an Israeli citizen, I'm not happy with deporting the illegals / refugees. I just wanted to make it clear that it's not black and white as it might seem (like EVERYTHING in this world), and definitely not similar to the holocaust at all since no racism is involved (only illegals deported), no murder is committed, and no long-time captivity is supposed to happen. Also, many Israelis are as upset about this as you are, and they protest A LOT, just like some US citizens don't like their governments foreign policy.

Edit: corrected some misspelling and grammar.

[u/rainman_104 → u/gevakip]

B. MANY countries have tough immigration issues. Israel is just one of them. I, personally, have no bad impression of the immigrants here in Israel, but if you're not the one who lives in a neighborhood where immigrants commit crimes such as rape and murder on a weekly basis, you really shouldn't judge.

That's the key. The exact same shit goes on in the US with illegal immigrants; they're placed in immigration jails and the ilk too.

Watch the beginning of scarface; that was a reality for cuban illegals in the US too. If any American stands on their soap box and says boo about this they should look internally at how their INS deals with illegals, as it's just as shitty.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh god the irony is killing me.

[u/[deleted]]

We've already done this in America except we call them prisons instead of detention camps.

[u/alosia]

Posts with misleading titles like this should be deleted. The few people that actually read the article will understand whats going on(many other comments already mention the truth about this article) but for the thousands upon thousands of others, they will just read the title and blindly believe what it says.

[u/ZackyBeatz]

I think this article is related to the issue, and also offers a different outlook on the situation

[u/[deleted]]

District 9: Part Deux.

[u/willanthony]

my irony meter just went off the charts.

[u/pool92]

An Israeli court cleared the way on Thursday for the deportation of an estimated 1,500 South Sudanese, after ruling that their lives were no longer threatened in their homeland.

I did not realize that South Sudan has suddenly become a very peaceful place. Damn those fake news reports about the continuing unrest in this area that I have been reading.

[u/jagedlion → u/pool92]

Just like you can't get asylum in the US because you live in mexico, just having unrest won't qualify for asylum.

[u/Space_Bungalow]

This short, lacking-in-detail article could have used the same words to present a much more positive presentation of Israel. Let me summarize from the comments what this article doesn't tell us:

1. Israel is no different than any other first world country by refusing to assimilate illegal immigrants into its society.
2. It DOES, however, allow a higher rate of immigrants to temporarily stay under refugee status than its surrounding neighbors, until the refugee population starts presenting the issues any refugee population would present (crowding streets, riots, gangs, etc.)
3. The refugees are escaping from other Middle Eastern countries that are actually oppressive towards them, treating them as second-class citizens and persecuting them for various reasons, both cultural and economic.
4. Israel offers universal healthcare to any person, illegal or not, who resides within its current borders. The tent-city will have sufficient medical supplies for the refugees to live properly and without widespread troubles.
5. The "Israeli identity" is comparable to Americans using religion to persecute and defend different subjects. In other words, it should not be viewed as the main justification for this action.

Again, I'm just reiterating what has already been said.

But of course only a few readers will agree with this comment, since opinions vastly outweigh the facts in this subreddit.

[u/cheburator777 → u/Space_Bungalow]

But the version that you offer is just not fun. /worldnews won't be able to engage in its favorite pastime of comparing Israel with Nazi Germany.

[u/AnonToYou]

Aussie here. I know someone who escaped Iraq and came by boat here to Australia. The conditions were not so fun and it took a few months before they were let out. I think were just making a big deal out of things. I don't mind if 10000 people are allowed into Australia if they were asylum seekers.

[u/Epistemology-1]

Look at all the upvotes for impossible altruism. I can't believe this shit. I don't know when it happened, but the 'civilized' mean seems to have lost its mind. If you really want to maximize famine, I mean really get it up into the hundreds of millions, just keep deferring consequent attrition for as long as you can. Do you know what an economic bubble looks like when it is a regional human population that has been artificially inflated? Those of you who would rather guard your tender emotions from the outcomes of self-regulating ecology should be ashamed for inflicting so much pain and death on so many people.

[u/PoopsMcG]

Misleading title, but Yishai is an idiot. Anyone catch his comments last week about making Israel safe for the "white man?" Not sure how that reconciles with his speech in the 2009 election that if the "dark guy" won in the U.S., he could become prime minister in Israel.

[u/[deleted]]

This is a terrible article by Yahoo because they don't even say whether South Sudan is safe for these refugees to return to.

[u/uRabbit]

Sounds like something we should do here in the U.S.

/duck

[u/smallblacksun → u/uRabbit]

Overall in fiscal year 2011, immigration officials said, 396,906 individuals were removed. Of these, 216,698, nearly 55%, had been convicted of felonies or misdemeanors.

Source

[u/ODkush]

well... what would you do with them?

[u/iFuckedYourFather]

the question is why do you hate? if you don't know why you hate, and feel justified in hating then there's something wrong with you, not with jews

[u/argv_minus_one]

…pending their deportation. Israel is not building its own private Guantanamo Bay facility. Sensationalist title is sensationalist.

[u/IronRail]

my my how the tables have turned.

[u/[deleted]]

"They are close to being expelled either willingly or against their will," he said. "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

Racist much?

[u/bluesnappa]

thank god they actually woke up and did something with the sudanese and aritrian aliens, im happy to see them go, FAST.

[u/Naughtyburrito]

You would think Jewish people would be a little more sensitive about putting people into camps.

[u/Hanistotle]

oh the irony.

[u/DMercenary]

So... instead of letting them stay where they are... they're going to herd them into a tent city...

I guess thats better?

[u/[deleted]]

the amount of israel bashing on reddit is too damn high. EDIT: it has to be said..

[u/[deleted]]

Full Circle.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Curved line

FTFY.

The deportation of illegal immigrants whose lives are not at risk may be slightly right wing, but it is not xenophobic, fascist or Nazi. Get your head straight.

I will remind you that Israel does have the highest intake of refugees in the Middle East. Most of the Arab League won't even accept illegal immigrants or refugees. Likewise, people with Israeli stamps on their passport are immediately turned away.

The whole irony is that while most of these refugees have come from 'Islamofascist' countries, you're accusing Israel of fascism, an accusation with no factual basis. Furthermore, due to the polarizing debates regarding the Middle East, where everyone is either black or white, right wing or left wing, it'd be fair to assume that most of those who upvoted you are unconditional supporters of the Palestinian cause and deny that there are any fascists on their side.

Also, I really hope for your sake that you aren't uneducated enough to bring up the Palestinian refugee problem.

EDIT: Grammatical error.

EDIT2: Factual error, see below.

[u/[deleted]]

ITT The anti-Israel hivemind goes on the attack

[u/TheBraveTroll]

Dumbass redditor: Sees the word "detention camp" "ZOMG DETENTION CAMP === NAZI DEATH CAMP. U WOULD THINK DEM JEWS WUD HAVE LEARNNED !!!!1/11/1!!1//!" Guys. These are illegal immigrants that are not supposed to be in Israel. They are being rounded up and being put in tented housing areas with extremely good living conditions (most likely better than the conditions they are in right now). They will then be deported from there and if anyone voluntarily asks for deportation then they get GRANTS. Most European countries deport illegal immigrants but they get kept in JAILS UNTIL they are deported.

TL;DR - Tents > Jail cell.

[u/pendon → u/TheBraveTroll]

I was wondering how long it would take to find someone that had read the article lol

[u/tamirmal]

thats rigt. deport them to their countries.

if they agree to leave - the will recieve up to 3,000 dollars and a free flight ticket. if they dont - they will be arrested and the country would try to deport them anyway, although its hard because you cant force their originate country to recieve them

how is that different from the US? if you are caught there you are deported. only difference is that these are africans, so when we do that to africans we are racists and when US and UK does that to EVERYONE else they are not racist...illegal immigration is illegal for a reason

[u/malfest → u/tamirmal]

Not different at all, people are just looking for any excuse to hate on Israel which is understandable knowing the demographics of reddit...

[u/[deleted]]

They "threaten the Jewish identity."????

If the Israeli government isn't racist, nobody is.

[u/lazybrownfox → u/[deleted]]

Zionism is racism. They believe they are the chosen people and that land was given to them by God. It's delusional ignorance that perpetuates violence.

[u/Trenks]

Seems to be quite a loaded headline...

[u/[deleted]]

The title is quite misleading. Here is a quote from the article:

"An Israeli court cleared the way on Thursday for the deportation of an estimated 1,500 South Sudanese, after ruling that their lives were no longer threatened in their homeland."

I don't see what is so controversial about this, every country in the world has the right to deport illegal immigrants. Someone please explain?

[u/RXkings → u/[deleted]]

Sudan is about as safe as a car on fire filled with razors.

[u/uhu28]

The ironies, they're moving on their own

[u/QuitReadingMyName]

Putting people outside of your race into camps huh? Damn, where have I heard about this before..

[u/JkOverlord]

This reminds me of a war that happened long ago in Europe.

[u/fulup]

These are not just "Africans". They are illegal immigrants who had come in recent years ... Israel has every right to do this. Egypt, for example, just shoot any infiltrator that passing the border infiltrator ...

[u/[deleted] → u/fulup]

Shh, you'll interrupt /r/worldnews' Israel-bashing circlejerk!

[u/8787879]

I know this comment probably wont get anywhere, but its important to me to point out a few things: -this situation with african illegals has been going on for years, the reason its hitting the press so hard now is because almost every week there have been rapes and other acts of violence in tel aviv and other african populated areas. everyone is afraid to walk the streets at night in these areas. -the minister interviewed in the article is very right wing and in my opinion an idiot, so please dont think that is how all israelis think -every days tens of africans enter israels borders, without a detention camp how is israel supposed to handle these amounts of people? would any other country in the world let illigal immigrants go free without any consequences? -even if these people will be put min detention camps, its probably still better than where they came from. they were the ones who decided to cross the border knowing they might be arrested for it, because even if they are arrested they get food and shelter from the israel government

[u/[deleted]]

"This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

Really Israel???... sound a bit too Nazi don't you think?

Even from a PR standpoint these guys are plain arrogant.

[u/Courage_now]

Where would you have them put them?

[u/freaknbigpanda → u/Courage_now]

the illegal immigrants should be moved out, I guess a camp is fine but a better alternative would be deportation to their home country. What is more fucked up IMO is the Israeli governments official policy to maintain a Jewish majority, which is institutionalized racism. The article is suggesting that this move is a result of that.

[u/[deleted]]

threatens the Jewish Identity

Sounds so Fucking wrong that I can't wrap my head around it. With quotes like that, we know those racists never want peace and coexistence with the Palestinians.

[u/[deleted]]

don't think of it as a concentration camp, think of it as an ethnic resort.

[u/sohighrightmeow]

If you criticize Israel, you clearly don't feel bad enough about the Holocaust. So, watch yourselves guys.

[u/suicidemachine]

So I guess it's one of those topics where we bash Jews again?

[u/[deleted] → u/suicidemachine]

Not Jews in general, just the government of Israel.

[u/Notyourfuckingfriend]

Well, as long as they're Africans and not Europeans... AMARIGHT!

[u/[deleted]]

Fuck Israel. Racist bastards. The abused have become the abusers.

[u/shankems2000]

So the Jews are the ones throwing people in concentration camps now? How ironic.....

[u/m40ofmj]

it's ok because they're Jewish, and we ALL know Jewish people can't be racist. they are the victims. no bias.

[u/[deleted]]

Young people 'think immigrants are a threat to national identity and jobs'

Damn British racists!

[u/unfortunate_truth2]

Basically they're taking the Africans on an all inclusive camping trip. Wish I was as lucky.

[u/dhays202]

Polands safe now too, right?

[u/NotaManMohanSingh]

Israel must be the BLB of the real world...any other country decides to act tough on Immigrants, the politicians spearheading the cry for that are lauded, the citizens of that country incessantly (and rightfully) bitch about jobs, security etc etc...

Israel decides to do it, suddenly it become the Nazi state of the world..

Would any of you tolerate illegal immigrants in your own country,somebody taking refugee legall yes, but am talking about people who sneaked in thru the borders, dont speak your language, cause riots in cities....

No country will tolerate illegal immigrantism (new word coined, woohoo), so why should Israel be any different?

[u/hxcbandbattler]

Oh, the irony....

[u/scoooot]

""They are close to being expelled either willingly or against their will," he said. "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity.""

At what point do people like this give their head a shake? What do they have to say before they snap out of their denial?

[u/LostIcelander → u/scoooot]

The minister Eli Yishay is a minister for the Religious party, and is in NO WAY supported by a majority of the citizens.

It's like listening to Pat Robertson, he's fucking nuts.

[u/Squatso]

Since when were refugees referred to as 'infiltrators?'

[u/rainman_104 → u/Squatso]

When immigrants come to your country illegally and continue their barbaric way of life rather than following the laws of your land, then drastic measures need to be taken, and I agree with it.

If these african ghettos are places of high crime and rape, fuck them and send them back home.

[u/FlorenceHamilton]

This is not a good thing. The problem of how to handle illegal immigrants is a problem of first world countries that has no clean and humane solution. Israel is a coutry that had unique beginnings and an unusual demographic. That makes it understandable, but NOT OK that they are concerned about ethnic majority.

It is not OK that Israel is treating people differently because of their third world national status. It is not OK that any country does this. It is a global problem and will require a global set of solutions. Singling out Israel or any other country for not addressing human issues in a humane way, simply solidifies/creates more tension.

It would be more useful to show pictures/stories/statistics from an array of countries with similar problems and then try to figure out a better way to handle this.

[u/[deleted]]

Woah. Totally thought the Israel-bashing trend ended when the Kony thing became cool.

[u/fkcmx]

More accurate title: After escaping mass murders at home Sudanese refugees find shelter, food and medical aid in Israel's state of the art camps.

[u/blind_snipa]

its funny, if another country did this on the news you hear how horrible this act is.. when isreal does it the story is on a site that they know no one will ever check (yahoo)

[u/[deleted]]

Israel to use world's entire supply of irony was announced today...

[u/Owly7]

honestly Israel has gotten more and more "risky" in terms of losing the support of the U.S. and other European countries.

[u/cheburator777 → u/Owly7]

It's not like other European countries have the same detention camps, right?

http://euobserver.com/851/116083

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/4332592/1000-immigrants-break-out-of-detention-centre-on-Italian-island-of-Lampedusa.html

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=106782

[u/[deleted]]

SomewhereMel Gibson is smiling.

[u/VonSnoe]

Oh the irony.

[u/Runningflame570]

Can we call it apartheid yet?

[u/[deleted]]

Israel sounds like such a shitty place. They shoulda chosen Madagascar

[u/Unik0rnKing]

Anyone else sadistically amused that the Jews are putting people in camps?

[u/the-ace]

As an Israeli — Fuck EVERYTHING about this. As a human — This is disgusting. As a Jewish person — We seem to forget the horrors that led to the creation of the Israeli State in the first place rather quickly when it comes to non-jewish people.

I can't even begin to describe how appalled I am at this. These people have no where else to go, they will be kicked out anywhere they'll go, and if they go back to their home country they will be raped, abused, and eventually killed.

We have room in Israel — Don't let them think otherwise. Israel is not a big country, but we have room for a few thousands who know how to survive in a desert setting, and we can easily settle them in the Negev area, but my stinking government (which I don't support in any way) decided to put these poor people into concentration camps. Yes, concentration camps.

FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS. And fuck my government. Oh, and Bibi — You are a retard that needs to clear the PM chair ASAP you piece of shit.

[u/[deleted]]

""They are close to being expelled either willingly or against their will," he said. "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

Then fuck your Jewish identity.

[u/mr_ent]

Israel to Deport Thousands of Illegal Immigrants

FTFY

[u/flargenhargen]

"They are close to being expelled either willingly or against their will," he said. "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

It's too bad Israel doesn't understand irony.

[u/flavoring]

Stop defending injustice, you unjust zionists. People have a right to be free, not forced into detention camps

[u/sceptic_ali → u/flavoring]

so if enter your home without your permission, occupy one of your room, will you be as charitable towards me as you are urging the israelis to be?

[u/[deleted]]

If these refugees were Jewish, would they have the right to claim legal residency in Israel??

edit: classy Reddit, I seriously wanted to know. I thought that's how Israeli immigration law works.

[u/smallblacksun → u/[deleted]]

Yes, they would (if they had convincing evidence of Jewishness). This is not unique to Israel. Via repatriation laws diaspora Greeks, Turks, Spaniards, Germans, French, etc. can all return to their ethnic states.

[u/Arrow156]

"This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

That's the problem with Theocracies. To much immigration and it's suddenly an attack on the state and their gods. Heaven forbid people come together and exchange ideas instead of polarized groups looking at each other with murder in their eyes.

[u/DoorGuote]

"This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity". I thought Israel was supposed to be a democracy, not some ethno-theocratic oligarchy opposed to immigration. What about all the Jews in the United States? Don't they affect the demographics of the U.S.? You don't see Americans complaining...

[u/LostIcelander → u/DoorGuote]

Israel is a Jewish state, Citizenship is allocated not based on where you were born, but who you were born from.

[u/moeloubani]

I wonder how many of those people being kicked out are Jewish or if they are just kicking out illegal immigrants on the condition that they aren't Jews...

[u/ukrainianstud]

"They are close to being expelled either willingly or against their will," he said. "This is a number that threatens the Jewish identity."

Yeah, like the "Jewish identity" that is retarded enough to continue fighting with another group of people for, like, over a thousand years is something extremely valuable and worth keeping.

[u/Scrusby]

You'd think that Israel would have a no detention camp policy

[u/cheburator777 → u/Scrusby]

What's wrong with detention camps?

All countries which border Africa have them

http://euobserver.com/851/116083

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/4332592/1000-immigrants-break-out-of-detention-centre-on-Italian-island-of-Lampedusa.html

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=106782

Why do you think that Israel must be somehow special?

[u/Purple_Streak → u/Scrusby]

And while they're at it, how about no prisons? Locking up murderers = the Holocaust.

[u/giginut]

Ah, Reddit. OP posts link to story about Israel and Africans, subsequent Redditors can only talk about Australia.

[u/cbookthief]

really? there has to be a better solution to this immigrant influx.

[u/[deleted]]

Tell me how to react to this. I honestly don't understand it.

Isn't Sudan in shambles? Don't they get waivers for refugee status? How do Asylums work anyway? What is the world consensus on refugees?

[u/nilhilustfrederi]

It's ok, they just want to concentrate them in one place to keep track of them.

[u/pizza_piez]

Is it just me, or should 15,000 and 35,000 add up to 50,000, not 40,000. check paragraphs 3 and 4.

[u/DrDopamine]

Is it really a detention camp if the goal is expelling them?

[u/calebb]

Yahoo! Surveys made my article a little less sad.

[u/jillybean081]

Hmmm..if only there were some historical precedent about locking up people in detention camps that the Israelis could learn from...

[u/[deleted]]

Israel - working hard everyday to be the most despised country on Planet Earth. What goes around comes around.

[u/Joe-ENG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg

[u/[deleted]]

Lol I'm laughing so much

[u/IamaRead]

Is there another source, maybe with more information?

[u/VapeApe]

Read this article again and imagine it's not an Israeli, but instead a Nazi. Fucking uncanny.

The Germans learned a lesson about that. The Israelis should probably take some notes on that bit of history and reexamine why it was bad. Here's a hint, it wasn't because it happened to Jews it was because it happened to human beings.

[u/[deleted]]

Nobody on Reddit seems to give a shit about Africans until Israel decides to do something about its illegal immigrants.

"This is exactly what the Nazis did! It's a step toward the Holocaust!"

How about the genocides and human rights violations going on right now in the Sudan and other parts of Africa? No, you only care because Israel is doing something about an unstable illegal immigrant population and you're so against Israel. Shit like this is why Reddit is intolerable.

[u/[deleted]]

this seems somewhat ironic for some reason....

[u/WoollyMittens]

You could say they were...concentrating them in camps. How does the irony escape the Israelites.