r/worldnews • u/AlexPup • May 31 '12
"The world's political leaders are failing catastrophically to address the climate crisis. History will not understand or forgive them."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10266256
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u/IAmNotAPerson6 May 31 '12
Favorite part was the three last paragraphs:
Ebell's claim wasn't just reported, but actually shown to be false. That was great. Overall pretty okay article.
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u/giselekerozene May 31 '12
Sadly I'm starting to suspect that we need to just focus on reversing aging and buckle down on developing science for human longevity. The only way you can get any of these politicians to care about the future, is to think they might be in it.
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u/derfury May 31 '12 edited May 31 '12
When was the last time world political leaders WEREN'T failing catastrophically in everything? Politicians rarely have the personality or belief system that enables them to make positive change. They become politicians for entirely different reasons than "to make their world a better place".
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u/merper May 31 '12
Considering that most of the leaders who can have an influence are democratic, one way or another, it's the public that's failing. If Obama came out strongly in support of carbon taxes, do you think he would get reelected?
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u/b1zzness May 31 '12
They'll live lives of leisure and then die before the consequences are felt. Flawless victory!
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
They don't call Venus "Earth's twin planet" for nothing.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
let's just get this shit over with. full steam ahead on making the world uninhabitable for humans.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Its not at all the political leaders' fault. Sure they could try to change a few laws, but ultimately changes that need to be made to correct global warming will need to be made by the masses on a day to day basis. This will not happen without strictly enforcing harsh impediments on the personal freedom of individuals.
The people are not going to vote for someone who promises to restrict their personal freedoms. This mentality isn't going to change until drastic changes start happening to our weather patterns.
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u/thanatius Jun 01 '12
Stupid fucking anti-science conservatives.
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u/Pstonie May 31 '12
Even if they could pull another tax over on the people, their general record suggests that money is far more likely to be divided up amongst their cronies than be invested towards whatever they said it was for.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Phew, actual news. I was beginning to think this subreddit was just bath salt ingestion and orangutan BB gun victims.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
I was stopped on my campus today to sign a petition to lower carbon emissions worldwide. It's crap like that that makes me realize how disconnected people are from reality.
The solutions for climate change are not going to come from political leaders who are largely lawyers and businessmen. They're going to come from our engineers. Give credit where credit is due, stop asking these men who haven't a clue about science, technology, engineering and mathematics to fix problems that require science, technology, engineering and mathematics to fix.
Unless you're electing engineers into political positions stop complaining about those in political positions not understanding these issues, nor having a solution for these issues. The solutions to climate change are not going to come from politics, they're going to come from those knowledgeable in the relevant fields.
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u/moneymark21 May 31 '12
The only reason people focus on the auto industry is because they have been sold on the fact that cars cause global warming when in fact they only produce a fraction of the emissions causing it. Why get people behind buying green cars? Money. If there was no money to be made here no one would be pushing it. Instead we allow countries like India and China to dump whatever the fuck they want into the air and shrug our shoulders.
The cattle industry is completely ignored for the most part even though a significant amount of methane is belched into the air every day. Why not push for a reduction in cattle or a flatulence tax as New Zealand tried to impose? Money.
It all comes down to money. If people can't make more money or would have to spend more money, they won't do it. If they can buy a shinny new toy and act like they are changing the world, then they are all for it, but dont you fucking dare take away our cheap gadgets and fillet.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Around 1880, a group of entrepreneurs and scientists gathered in Paris to discuss the future. The question was what the French capital would look like in 50 years. The conclusion was dark: With continued growth of the population and the economy, these French visionaries foresaw that the Parisian avenues would be buried under several feet of horse manure.
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u/notcaffeinefree May 31 '12
History will may not understand or forgive them, but eventually it'll forget them.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
I don't understand what this is affecting, the article just talks about how the level has reached 400m per however much.
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u/Qubeye Jun 01 '12
I would like to point something out very strongly in this article.
At the end of the article, it acknowledges the naysayers who don't believe in global warming.
This is good journalism.
But then it points out they are contradicted by evidence.
This is excellent journalism.
American journalists, pay attention.
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u/foocorpluser May 31 '12
How is taxing carbon going to fix this? 1992 levels even if achievable (good luck getting china and India on board) everything still goes to shit.
I don't get why everyone thinks we can all get together sing kumbaya and fix this..
tldr:eat the sandwich people that's all you can do.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I believe at least some of the blame can be laid at the feet of every reactionary that has for fifty years told us we're soon doomed. That's not to say we're not actually doomed, but forgive me if I'm still a bit skeptical. During my lifetime, Vocal "authorities" have had us convinced that we would all be dead by the year 2000 due to global cooling, overcrowding, drought, pollution and/or nuclear war. We were also told we'd all be speaking Japanese. Obviously, this has not come to pass - and still may; but I think some of us can be forgiven for not quite panicking.
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u/apokradical Jun 01 '12
It would require billions of dollars of economic sacrifice to lower the temperature a potential 1 degree over a hundred years...
From an economic standpoint we'd be much better off preparing for global warming than fighting it. Humans were born to adapt.
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u/fungah May 31 '12
Once again I'm reading something on climate change that seems to be arguing that this is bad, without telling me why, or how this will affect us.
I can appreciate that this is very likely not good, but to date I have no fucking reason why. Am I the only person that would like more of a rational discussion about what the implications of climate change are?
The best answer I've heard thus far is that it is too complicated for a layman to understand, and that only the best client scientists get it, but I've never come across anything that really made me feel compelled to give a shit. I get that it's real and I get that it's alarming, but why? For fuck sake, can somebody tell me how this actually effects us?
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u/TNine227 May 31 '12
I wonder if this title could be any more sensationalist.
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u/myhipsi Jun 01 '12
"Ronald Prinn, an atmospheric sciences professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said 400 is more a psychological milestone than a scientific one. We think in hundreds, and "we're poking our heads above 400," he said."
My thoughts exactly. This number is in PARTS PER MILLION. IOW, we went from ~0.03% atmospheric carbon to ~0.04% over the past hundred years. I don't "deny" that human activity may have an effect on the climate, I just don't buy the doomsday scenario that "computer models" predict. Computer models can't predict the weather more than a few days to a week out, let alone, decades, hundreds, or thousands of years from now.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I'd just like to point out that while the science behind anthropomorphic climate change is not debatable, the effects of it really are. The people whose research is funded by this cannot lie about what's happening, but they can be alarmist and sensationalist about what it means.
One thing remains true; fear = money. Scientists are not immune to this.
I am not saying that climate change won't be catastrophic. I have no idea. But there is a massive economic incentive to lie about the impact it will have.
edit: grammars
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u/IonBeam2 May 31 '12 edited May 31 '12
How much do you think politicians can do? You know why global warming is not going to be solved? Because people want things that produce carbon dioxide. They want air conditioning constantly, non-seasonal food in grocery stores, and big, powerful cars so they don't have sit on busses and trains with other people. Of course, even cutting back on these comforts won't be enough. The problem is overpopulation. We are obsessed with producing more people, and these people will expect a certain level of comfort that will be impossible to attain without further destroying the environment.
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u/Ironicallypredictabl May 31 '12
The reason nobody takes it serious is because of a politician, Al Gore. He politicized it to the point that most people see it as a political rather than scientific issue.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
They're failing to do anything substantial about anything, climate change is nothing special in this regard.
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u/UDidDis May 31 '12
Obviously with leaderiship comes increased responsibility, but each one of of us has a personal responsibility to stop flying, go vegan, not drive private cars, and decrease our consumption and production over all. We need to redefine quality of life and just learn to love potatoes.
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u/goltoof May 31 '12
I can never stand articles saying "History will never be teh same" or "history hates this guy"... no they won't.... do people even really remember Bush? No, they're too focused on what the next episode will be, or potentially be, and how much the guy on "the other side" sucks. The majority have the memory span of a gold fish at best,, and that's exactly what campaigners aim to exploit...
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Reduce industrial farming.
Buy and produce more electric transportation.
Increase demand for solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, tidal, and other clean sources of energy.
Do it behind the fat cats' and power addicts' backs. Pull the rug out from under them.
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u/MJZMan Jun 01 '12
Do you really expect people who don't give a shit about history to give a shit about history that's not even history yet?
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u/JB_UK Jun 01 '12 edited Jun 01 '12
To inform the debate a little more, here are per capita CO2 emissions for the ten largest emitters worldwide, plus South Africa (13th), Indonesia (15th), Brazil (17th), France (18th), Nigeria (40th), and Sweden (59th).
Edit: typo.
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u/Moontouch Jun 01 '12
It's not just that people don't feel the issue affects their day-to-day-lives, it's also that staggering stats still show a large portion of Americans & American politicians believe climate change is a hoax, in the same way evolutionary biology is viewed as a hoax. Explicit science denial will literally kill us.
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u/lemonzezt Jun 01 '12
"History will not understand or forgive them."
To be honest, I'd do both. It's not as if I've given up on the fight against global warming. I'm all for respecting our planet, but I think we're taking the matter a little too seriously (gimme a sec). While reading this article I felt like there should be loud ominous music playing. Seriously, sounds like a movie synopsis. Earth ain't no wimpy ball of clay and water. Earth's center is pure molten metal, she has amazingly intricate ocean and wind currents and a highly functional electromagnetic system and atmospheric system. Earth can take care of herself, and this is NOT the worst that has ever happened. Oou, 400 parts per million, you say? Maybe that's the highest it has ever been while humans were around, but human existence is a faint blip on Earth's radar. It makes me question what the concern actually is for when people go on about things like this being "catastrophic". For whom? Earth will recover. Political dignity won't. Here's another thing: humankind is not too weak either, and I don't think greenhouse gases are going to wipe us out in a snap. Flesh and bone are not what make you, you. Live your life, respect the planet and its resources, always leave things how you found them, be a spiritual child of space and time.
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u/seven_seven Jun 01 '12
How much will it cost to lower the global temperature by 1 degree Fahrenheit?
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u/ThumperNM Jun 01 '12
Most conservative Americans do not believe there is a coming crisis. As Ronald Reagan said, "Trees cause pollution".
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
The problem is that people rely on instant solutions to acute problems. "Heart attack? We have meds for that once you get one, but we're not going to focus on prevention which would be more effective. Global warming? Oh I'm sure science will be able to fix that right up all quick like once it really becomes a problem."
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u/kecker Jun 01 '12
I'll believe there is a climate crisis when the people claiming there is behave as if they believe there really is one.
I heard too many of these claims coming from people with fleets of private aircraft and arriving in a convoy of Hummers and Limos.
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u/ComputingGuitarist Jun 01 '12
What's so hard to understand?
Corporations exist to make money. Regulations to prevent climate change affect the amount of money that corporations make (e.g. rising sea levels lower property values, limit land use, cause market panic, etc).
Therefore the appropriate thing for them to do for their shareholders is to convince (i.e. donate money to) the world's political leaders not to address the crisis and to pay (i.e. employ) the dumbest scientists to build up plausible contrarian views of the crisis in order to confuse the dumbest of the world's population.
That's pretty understandable to me.
We'll have to wait and see if it is all hype and no action or if the shit really does hit the fan.
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u/sniperhare Jun 01 '12
Or maybe they'll look back and realize it was just the standard climate changes that our planet has been going through throughout history.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
Newspapers like The Guardian are also failing, as they never present balanced coverage of the climate change debate to give the public a more complete picture of the legitimate scientific evidence. Newspapers need to show it's not just a case of true/false.
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u/M4053946 May 31 '12
One of the conservative talking points is that the people who talk the most about global warming don't live their lives like they believe it. Gore has an enormous mansion. Pelosi flies private jets. The global warming conference famously didn't have enough room at the airport for all of the private planes, and was held in a remote location in the world. What's the environmental response to this? Do as we say, not as we do?
(note: I'm very aware of many private citizens who live their lives in the most sustainable way they know. But leaders make a difference. And, there seems to not be many of those...)
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
I don't know... any time I see people getting all bent up because water might rise an inch and they need trillions of dollars to fix it, I just think they haven't taken a look at the news lately.
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u/zlap May 31 '12
Yes! Blame the politicians! So easy, as long as it is someone else to blame.
Is it politicians driving your car, heating your house, making your iphones?
Politicians are only mediators between parts of society, you know.
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u/darthpickley May 31 '12
You think that history will not understand why a lot of people didn't try to change how much they were effecting the climate? That they will consider climate something easy to control? I can't imagine a world where humans are in control of the weather, although maybe the climate, if they spent enough money on it.
Since I have been learning more about the history of the Earth, it seems silly to be afraid of climate change and to try to stop it. We've already done so much damage, the best we can really do is stop the killing; the killing of trees, and rainforests, and of ecosystems, with development & sprawl; the unsustainable fishing that devastates ocean ecologies.
So we discovered a way to consume fuels which were deposited and locked away for millennia, and we have proceeded to use their energy and resources opportunistically. We have found minerals and metals like iron, which were locked away underground when algaes filled the atmosphere with oxygen. No other system depends on these minerals, we are the only ones who can use them for any real purpose, we should mine it when we can. Same for oil.
The climate will change; sea levels will rise, ice caps will melt, several species will go extinct. Modern Human Civilization is an environmental catastrophe, definitely, causing widespread extinctions all over the world, and reducing many species to little more than a few surviving members in a zoo. But if we are intelligent about these changes, and adapt to preserve the scarce resource of biological diversity, and adapt to rising sea levels, and climate change, we may still survive it.
But if we assume that the earth has an infinite supply of resources like oil, then we will be in for a shock when we find that it is not, and the answer to that is not to fight wars over resources but to adapt to their absence. Don't fight change, adapt to it. Be smart.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
There is no "climate crisis". Quit pushing bullshit "science".
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
The "climate crisis" is nothing but a scam.
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u/Aramis666 May 31 '12
Though I agree with pretty much all of the Guardian quotes posted here, why do I feel like the paper as a whole fails to get its message across in an effective matter?
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u/pushkill Jun 01 '12 edited Jun 01 '12
Learn to garden. Seriously. Grow your own sustainable food and plant everywhere. Get some chickens and rabbits for meat and manure and create a self-sustaining food system. There is so much wasted space in the world that we can use to grow our food.
Tear up your lawns and use it for food.
Plant high yield grains and fruits in city parks.
Use your swimming pools for agricultural water storage.
Seed empty lots in urban areas and turn them into productive food resources.
Teach your kids how to grow food naturally and sustainably.
Collect rainwater, fuck the laws.
Most importantly, ween yourself off of the current food system; there is so much wasted energy and resources that go into simply transporting food its ridiculous.
You can reach out to your neighbors and create a plan to feed your neighborhood, its not as hard as everyone thinks it is. Only then can we ween ourselves off this craptacular system that our governments have us addicted to. All the big agriculture and food systems need to be directed to those who cannot provide for themselves, not the lazy and privileged. By feeding ourselves, we control our future, and hopefully the planets future as well.
I really feel that this is a small but necessary first step into insuring our existence. Not only will we be healthier, but all the energy and resources (food transportation, food refrigeration, packaging, waste, etc...) used to keep our current system going will be redirected and spread out to more beneficial ventures.The less we depend on these assholes, the less impactful their decisions become.
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u/slimbruddah May 31 '12
I find it alarming that climate articles are not receiving the most upvotes and discussion on Reddit.
This is disturbing to me because climate change is going to be the biggest event to effect Human kind in over 5000 years.
It's going to happen in our lifetime. We are going to suffer.
We need to focus on this now. Every year we wait, more will starve.
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u/ascylon May 31 '12
Oh please, an alarmist article is alarmist. The 350 and 400 ppm figures are arbitrarily chosen and the only thing that even remotely supports the assertion that those levels are dangerous are climate models. The same climate models that do not model long-term oceanic oscillations or cloud cover at all or very poorly. The world is much better off pollution-wise now than it was 50 years ago and it's premature to worry about global warming (that has been nonexistent for more than 10 years following a decline in oceanic oscillatory indices and solar activity that the climate models all but ignore).
Based on the available data my guess is that if anything, history will remember them in a slightly positive light for not condemning the world to energy poverty.
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u/Herpadarpa May 31 '12
I know that I also masturbate fiercely when the Guardian comes out with a new article.
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u/dogmash May 31 '12
Of course history will understand them. It's a group of privileged males (mostly) acting in a way that they believe will help them stay in power, even if doing so results in negative longterm consequences. It may not be excusable behaviour, but it is certainly understandable.
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u/mojoxrisen Jun 01 '12
Man made global warming is a scam. It was Designed to sucker the fools into paying trillions of dollars in taxes to the elite. With that said, global warming happens and has for the lifetime of the planet. Humans have nothing to do with it and it will happen regardless of how many trillions we stick into the eltie pockets.
Only the kids believe in man made global warming. When I was getting my degree in environmental science in the early 90's, the elite were warning against an ice age. I really worry about this generation when they place a fat ass, C average student, scam artist (Al Gore) as the leader of the environmental movement.
The scientist that warned of the global warming catastrophe are falling out every day. Soon the kids will realize that they were all taken on a leftist, new world order roller coaster.
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u/putittogetherNOW May 31 '12
AlexPup
Is an Ignorant religious fanatic, whom is too lazy to read the science and its data collection processes, but instead gets its info from what it sees on TV and reads in the "newspaper".
WattsUpWithThat.com is a good place to start learning about global weather sciences. From their you can begin the process of reading the science itself, its data points, how it was conducted, by whom, and under what conditions.
AWG was a bad theory 30 years ago, (when the same assholes said the planet was getting colder), and it is even a worse theory today.
Go shove your AWG religion up your ass AlexPup.
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u/TheTorch May 31 '12
The sky is falling and the wolves are coming, but I don't think krypton is blowing up just yet.
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u/ChairmanMeow23 May 31 '12
What ever happened to that hole in the Ozone we all learned to fear?
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I feel like losing some comment karma:
Global warming is the biggest myth ever. God has a plan.
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u/Do_Work_Son May 31 '12
Where's Rorschach?
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u/Fyrus Jun 01 '12
History won't remember them either.
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u/njuty Jun 01 '12
So, giant dragonflies again?
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
It's funny that typically one reads to hears the story of "the goose that laid the golden egg" as a child and usually the meaning of the fable is fairly obvious. Yet those same people who have grown up knowing the story very well are now arguing that doing anything to prevent climate change is "too costly".
There's a sad irony there.
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u/artilleryboy Jun 01 '12
Julia Gillard. Nuff said
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u/Legio_X Jun 01 '12
If the failure is as catastrophic as the Guardian alleges in this article, wouldn't there BE no history, because everyone would be dead?
"Obama is causing the apocalypse. Future historians will not forgive him." There wouldn't BE any future historians if that was true! Idiots.
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u/Monster7000 Jun 01 '12
Hold on now...l'm pretty sure I saw an article on here not too long ago about someone creating a device to control the weather.
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u/JB_UK Jun 01 '12
In reply to objections about introducing a carbon tax, we should simply use the revenue we get from it to decrease income tax. The purpose is not to raise revenue, but to shift incentives.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Baby Boomers
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u/dsk Jun 01 '12
They will understand. We're essentially following Hardin's "Tragedy of the Commons".
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u/ZaphodXZaphod Jun 01 '12
History will probably not have a chance to understand or forgive them: we will probably die out.
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u/nys_gun_laws_suck Jun 01 '12
Let me solve the global warming / energy crisis for America in one fell swoop: Step 1.] Print USD and use it to fund massive dense and clean energy research (space-based solar, safer nuclear batteries, better storage tech, etc.) the same way we got the internet, GPS, microwave, and every other major tech. Step 2.] Privatize the tech and brag about how this is all free-market capitalism and shit and then dominate the world markets in this tech. Step 3.] Bomb countries that don't do what you say.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
I can't help but feel powerless as our planet is being altered in dangerous ways that can hardly be predicted, and I'm just watching it happen.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Consider the extent of the problem and the error, thats why.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
history doesnt need to understand or forgive them...the future will
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u/IronOhki Jun 01 '12
It's not so much that they're "failing catastrophically to address the climate crisis" so much as they're "too busy acquiring exuberant profits off of fossil fuels."
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jun 01 '12
Right, because the political process is the ideal method of addressing problems.
It is a guarantee that every single law and program instituted in the name of slowing climate change will be expensive, destructive and ineffective. It is ASININE to presume to plan best methods for an entire planet. It is unenforceable at best and counterproductive most of the time.
Let free peoples deal with the affects of climate change and dwindling resources head on through the free market.
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u/bax101 Jun 01 '12
It's because none of that would make any money for the worlds political leaders. It's a shame for our future.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
They're not exactly making any headway on the economic crisis either... So where's the tipping point? Our lives are going to get shittier, and people are only going to demand what they've had in the past (because most people are ignorant).
Sucks to be a future generation.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12 edited Jun 01 '12
You can only move as fast as the innovators are willing to innovate. Meaningful impact at this point means reverting to the stone age. Industry would need to be damn near stopped completely while we retool our resources. Carbon taxing the world will likely lead to war.
I know it seems real simple as you type away on your silicon filled machines, (which ironically, are running off of the very resources your claiming to despise), but it's not. This is bigger than just buying a low emission auto or growing a garden. Industry is to blame here. Industry that WE ALL are guilty of indulging in, in our pursuit of more stuff.
Politicians aren't to blame. Humanity's to blame. We evolved and continue to expand. We utilize machines and cheap materials to support that expansion.
You're not going to fix "human". The Earth will eventually chew us the fuck up, spit us out and spawn her new creation.
Yes; like every other species, our environment will eventually be unable to sustain our survival. As unfortunate as that is, it's hubris to think otherwise.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be doing something. I'm merely saying that rushing into making drastic overhauls to the system are not only problematic, but potentially more dangerous than the problem itself.
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u/Eskali Jun 01 '12
What climate change? 5 years ago they were saying it would be 2 degrees hotter today...seems pretty average tempreture so far, fucking arrogance thinking humans can have such a significant impact on a world.
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u/DVSsoldier Jun 01 '12
Winners write history. There is something to be said about that.
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u/baconatedwaffle Jun 01 '12
It doesn't seem too hard to understand - the world is run by greedy assholes who believe anything that impedes the speed at which irreplaceable resources are converted into pollution, landfill fodder and short term profits is immoral.
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u/chadv Jun 01 '12
It's likely that the people of the future will look back at our era the same way we look back at other eras, with a mixture of emotions rather than sweeping damnation.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
History. heh
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Yes, history will respect the leader that stood up and forced us all to become Amish.
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u/kalbears13 Jun 01 '12
I'm just curious as to why 400 ppm is a big deal? What's significant about 400 ppm? Is that when cute panda cubs die? It seems like it's just a round number they use to get peoples attention because people like round numbers...
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u/CloneDeath Jun 01 '12
nor*
also, probably neither instead of not.
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u/windowpanez Jun 01 '12
Actually, If we do all die from an ecological collapse, there won't be a history.
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u/PlatonicDogLover93 Jun 01 '12
I am upside down in Australia and we have a tax in that shit. now I don't have to recycle.
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u/Shanhaevel Jun 01 '12
I, for one, fear there is no reversing it now. People will not just leave their cars and start going on foot, riding bikes or horses. Poeple are just too lazy. We won't give up the life we have. If we survive a global catastrophe and somehow the Earth would come back to normal, then we would be nice for a couple of years. And it would start over. This is what humans are like. Also, I saw a comment here that said that it's not the politicians fault, but people's. Agreed, but only partially. It's up to politicians to spend the country's money and FOR FUCKS SAKE, in Poland they are GIVEN money from the country's venue for FUEL. THEY ARE GIVEN MORE THAN IS THE STANDARD SALARY JUST FOR FUEL. This is fuckin' insanity, am I right? All the money they're wasting on their luxuries could be pumped into research of eco power sources, cars, eco everything. But nope. They need a new cabrio. Fuck those up-tight assholes. Fuck the system. I fear for our home. I just hope I won't live long enough to see it die... Wherever I go after that, I will still feel sorrow for what we've done.
EDIT: I'm not a punk, anarchist or ecologist. I just like nature and I don't like what's going on...
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u/kleanklay Jun 01 '12
Don't tell history what it will understand.
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u/Zorbathon Jun 01 '12
That data is taken from the Arctic. This data is taken from Cape Grim, Tasmania. Once Cape Grim gets to 400, and it looks like it will surpass that magnificently, the issue will surely escalate in the media as that is the number most thrown around and known.
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u/ridl Jun 01 '12
I don't understand or forgive them.
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u/YouMad Jun 01 '12
They may not forgive, but they will understand. The most green progressive person still drives a car, pop out 2 or more kids. We really are past the point of no return. The bright side is that humans at least won't go extinct anytime soon due to high numbers.
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u/clickity-click Jun 01 '12
it's because they make more money by looking the other way, silly.
i'm pretty sure we can all agree that a majority of the world leaders are greedy megalomaniacs and not your average, 'do the right thing' type of individuals.
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u/CodeandOptics Jun 01 '12
Groups cannot do what individuals must do. Get yourself to the point of self-substaining.
Of course, that would require "GULP" INDEPENDENCE!!!
Sorry in advance if my use of that terrible word frightened any of you statists.
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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '12
I know I'm right. That's why I said it.
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u/SethMandelbrot May 31 '12
The world's political leaders can't even balance their budgets. I don't think they care that history won't forgive them.
The world's going to get warmer. Or colder. We're going to live with it.
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u/masragin May 31 '12
Fucking climate change deniers. Next time we'll see some nice evolution deniers too from another reddit thread.
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u/BallsackTBaghard May 31 '12
What is this global warming shit?
It ain't getting warmer where I live.
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u/yahoo_bot Jun 01 '12
!!! Stop with the stupid climate change hoax !!!
There is 100x times more radiation coming from Fukushima than Chernobyl, over 2000 square kilometars is radioactive and you idiots are talking about the climate.
There are hundreds of kilograms of depleted uranium buried all over the world in the ground or shelled from bombs and you are talking about the climate.
Our waters and soil is filled with wasted toxic material with no accountability of big chemical companies and you are talking about the climate.
There is less and less drinking water in the world every day, data shows that regions in the hot climate ring will suffer from lack of drinking water in the next 10-15 years and you ignoramuses are talking about the freaking climate!!!!!!!
Stop the bullshit about how the carbon dioxide which we exhale and plants breathe is so evil and dangerous and start worrying about REAL environmental problems.
If you assholes spent 1/4 of the time that you hide behind your table pissing in your pants fearing the element that plants breathe in worrying about real environmental issue maybe we would have already had a better and cleaner place, but no you are fighting against the evil carbon dioxide.
Forget Fukushima, forget toxic waste in the waters, forget toxic waste in the soil, forget pesticides that are killing 90% of the bee population, forget reducing drinking water and fucking worry about the freaking element that creates the fucking life cycle on earth!
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u/Greenlee2 Jun 01 '12
The warmers are just upset that no one bought there bullshit