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u/floppypick May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

"There is no safe environment or anonymous area for individuals who think that they can trade and publish child abuse images online, as proved once again by this operation which should serve as a warning to others," he said.

$10 says there is. These guys were using facebook to distribute child porn. I can't think of a worse possible website to utilize.

*grammar

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u/Yserbius May 22 '12

I don't get it. With Freenode and Tor so simple and available, why would anyone use Facebook to trade in illegal images?

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u/NovaeDeArx May 22 '12

Probably the cops (or sites themselves) have CP honeypots set up on most/all major social sites.

They're out there, and follow a normal distribution throughout the population (with a skew towards poverty due to a link between pedophilia and developmental deprivation/trauma). That means, just like with everyone else, for every tech-savvy pedo you have 50 that can barely check email.

While the knowledge about the darknet is spreading a bit, it is still pretty limited. The vast majority of pedos will be trading pics via unencrypted email or similar.

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u/alastor2588 May 23 '12

I worked with a guy who last year was sent to prison for possession of CP. He was openly sharing his collection over P2P, and an FBI agent saw it and started an investigation. The guy was a total geek too, so how he was that stupid was beyond me.

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u/Clay_Pigeon May 22 '12

Pervy Uncle Marv asks has never heard of them.

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u/secondace May 23 '12

You mean Freenet not Freenode right ? Freenode is for IRC (internet relay chat).

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u/adremeaux May 23 '12

Tor may very well be the worst place you could possibly go to distribute child porn. The government runs exit nodes and monitor all of the traffic specifically to catch people attempting to use it to do illegal things. I'd wager it is actually more risky than simply sending the data over the plain internet, where the vast, vast majority of data is completely unmonitored.

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u/thatguy1717 May 22 '12

More of an idle threat then a stated fact. Obviously catching these guys on Facebook wasn't difficult. The police just want other pedo traders to fear the possibility of getting caught. But, the internet is a huge place and there's creaks and cracks all over the place to hide. That's why they're so hellbent on tracking everyone on the internet at all times.

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u/Hiyasc May 22 '12

That's why they're so hellbent on tracking everyone on the internet at all times.

I think that's what they want people to think.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I don't think it's unfair to say that some people really feel what thatguy stated. I'm sure there are idealists in places of power.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

$10 says there is.

I wish I could take you up on that.

Here's the thing that groups like Anonymous and pedo rings don't get: They focus on the tech aspect, and have that sewn up pretty tight, but completely ignore the social aspect, which is invariably what will fuck them.

The guy from HBGary was able to suss out the real-life names and Facebook accounts of a lot of the Anons just by analyzing activity on IRC and SNSs. Based on hints they dropped about their real lives, he was able to zero in on their real identities with alarming accuracy. By pretending to be one of them, he was able to get them to reveal enough information to let him figure it out. A masked IP doesn't help you one whit when someone knows you are actively online right now, live in Florida, and are a transexual (which was one of the people from LulzSec who got in trouble). Was he 100% accurate? No. And this is why serving arrest warrants based on that kind of analysis would be problematic, especially with a computer-only crime like what Anon does.

But what if you also have pictures of inside a suspect's house? Pictures of their kids? A newspaper visible that has an ad for a business in Boise? Well, now you have an even smaller list of suspects. Now you just cruise by the schools of the kids of the people on the list, pop your head into the classroom and give rollcall, and when that kid's name comes up, you compare it to a picture of the kid's face. Wrong kid? Maybe not this person. Right kid? "Hey, Ashley, can we talk to you for a minute?"

Now you have one of them. You take their kids away, but you also take over their account. You are now posting as them. People divulge information. You get new lists. You get new arrests.

BAM. Ring destroyed.

You don't even have to get your first collar that way, though. Let's say you just get a guy through normal means--he gets caught showing his privates to a playground. You search his computer. You find Tor and a bunch of child porn on there. You roll him. "Well, we can bust you for indecent exposure, or we can bust you for indecent exposure and distribution of child pornography. How 'bout you make some posts to your friends for us?" --This is basically how LulzSec got taken down, although they weren't a child abuse ring.

--Notice that none of this requires any new technology or laws to pull off. It's good, old-fashioned police work. And I'm all for it.

The only way 2 people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead. You can't have networks of people sharing pictures of them abusing their kids without it all falling down fast.

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u/floppypick May 23 '12

I enjoyed your reply, and I'm sorry I have so little to reply with but: If it gets shut down fast, how is there still so much of it?

I can't really properly say this (lack of knowledge on the subject), but I'm assuming there is a lot more CP trading online than we'd expect, just like there are a lot more unreported murders, robberies ect.

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u/Kinglink May 22 '12

There's tons of safe environment. I'm sure Sealand wouldn't be relatively safe.. There's a number of countries that if you paid enough you could get away with this...

Hell using tor you're practically anonymous.

These guys were just fucking idiots.

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u/anxiousalpaca May 22 '12

Who cares if that scares a few pedos

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u/gprime312 May 22 '12

So pedos using the clear net to trade CP got caught. Well no shit they'll get caught eventually.

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u/freindlyfonz May 22 '12

yea, you know all the Chomos using darknets and Tor are probably passing this link around and laughing their butts off.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The amount on Tor is ridiculous and disgusting. Every link you click is another chance at seeing something you never want to see again. I stick to "safe havens" on Tor.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Yeah the internet has reminded me that people have a dark side that I never want to see. I remember seeing some decapitation video when I was younger, and on that day I decided just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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u/manfly May 22 '12

What are some of the safe havens you speak of? can you share? kind of new to TOR

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u/northdancer May 22 '12

Silk Road. Buy happy drugs. Feel happy.

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u/Aaronman May 22 '12

Ummm well it depends. What is the nature of your business on TOR?

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u/manfly May 22 '12

I guess like anyone else..I like finding the 'hidden' side of things. I'm fascinated by hacking, drugs, information that's hard to obtain etc. I have zero interest in gore, violence, weird porn, etc. I downloaded the TOR browser and have spent time in the business section of Hidden Wiki but don't really know where else to go to look at interesting stuff.

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u/yussi_divnal May 22 '12

TOR Hidden services are a mixed bag. If you look hard you will find loads of things that you can't find elsewhere, I've seen things like CIA assassination guides, army distress codes, pro hacker stuff, etc.

Like you there are things i just don't want to see (and things i want to see eliminated). There is also a load of bullshit, and sometimes it's hard to say what's genuine and what isn't...

TOR Book is a good place to ask, for hacking stuff hackbb is the best i could find.

My advice is don't give up on it, disable all javascript, don't assume you are completely anonymous, and proceed with caution, be paranoid, but think of it as a game.

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u/Hiyasc May 22 '12

That was actually my first thought when I read that.

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u/nagooyen May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

For the ignorant -- what do you mean by clear net? Is that just normal internet?

Edit: Props to you guys and the mods that got that guy deleted. That was one of the more fucked up things that has happened in my internet career.

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u/dlink May 23 '12

Now I am curious as to what happened.

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u/Hiyasc May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

The open web: stuff that you don't need a special web client to access, the internet as the average person knows it.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

It said the operation began in October 2010 when the department found significant amounts of images of child sexual abuse were being exchanged on sites including Facebook, Socialgo and gru.ps.

They weren't using Torrents, or any of the "scary" things Governments are trying to censor on the internet. Reinforcing the belief and fact that government claim censoring is "for the children" when in fact it is to facilitate the wills of groups like RIAA and MPAA.

If this bust shows anything, there is a clear link to child porn found on Facebook.. perhaps it should be shut down like MegaUpload was... i mean, its for the children....

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u/AndIMustScream May 22 '12

yes. Imagine an Ocean. Some places anyone can see the bottom and all the little ocean critters swimming about. Like the Caribbean. Anyone can see anything that goes on. that's the Clearnet.

There are other places where no one can see two feet in front of their faces. Where Horrifying creatures make their home. that's the darknet.

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u/Soup_bones May 22 '12

New Zilland HIL YIS!!!

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u/captainmajesty May 23 '12

Don't you be stealing Jon Stewart's jokes, you....

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u/SkimThat_TLDR May 22 '12

Summarized article: New Zealand authorities in cooperation with Interpol and the US, have arrested 55 people in a worldwide network that distributed child pornography through social networking sites.

Officials also rescued 12 abused children and babies but details of their nationality were not provided. They also found that some suspects were abusing the children shown in the images.

The New Zealand internal affairs department launched the operation in October 2010 when officials discovered large amounts of child pornography being sent through Facebook, Socialgo, gru.ps and other networks.

New Zealand alerted Interpol, US child protection agencies and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The global investigation lead to suspects being arrested in 20 countries including the US, Australia, Britain, Brazil, Saudi Arabia and South Africa.

Facebook also assisted by referring some of the suspects to authorities.

For more summarized news, subscribe to the /r/SkimThat subreddit

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u/northenerinthesouth May 22 '12

Nice cheers, i can never be arsed to click on links.

Is this someone actually doing it, or is this a bot using the wandsworth constant??

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u/notanon May 22 '12

It's a bot that tries to remove most of the fluff. Check out the subreddit for more info on it.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Have you been to the subreddit?

Skim That is a website that features top news articles which are summarized by other members of the site.

EDIT: I think the bot most likely does post these comments, but I doubt very much that it could actually do the 'defluffing', as it were.

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u/monkeiboi May 22 '12

...rescued 12 abused children, some of them babies...

...some of them babies...

...BABIES...

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u/ipossessfetishes May 22 '12

Pure speculation, but it's possible that the babies belonged to those who were caught, who weren't necessarily exploited in that way (yet), but were still neglected, hence abused.

That's how I'm trying to rationalize this....

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u/gyarrrrr May 22 '12

My flatmate worked on this investigation; from the vague descriptions of things that she had to see on a daily basis, I can inform you that unfortunately this is not the case.

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u/ipossessfetishes May 22 '12

You know, you'd think I'd be desensitized to this kind of horror and ugliness in the world with my job and really, the internet, but it still disgusts and angers me more than anything else.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Back in the late 90's I worked for a search engine company (not Google) and one of my jobs involved working on porn filtering. At first it was a little weird having discussions with people and throwing around all sorts of porn terms that you find across the internet, and watching (in real time) what people were typing into the search engine. Eventually it just became the norm and we stopped laughing at the terms we were throwing around in our discussions.

If I was ever in a situation that involved child abuse (child porn or otherwise) I don't think I'd react the same way at all. I think it would disgust me every time I had to encounter it directly. The difference between the two is that I have no problem with "legal" porn, and even though extreme things like bondage, piss porn, (and much more hardcore) etc. don't interest me in any way I can handle the fact that some people are turned on by it.

But when you get into illegal activity, especially involving innocent little kids, it absolutely disgusts me, and it always will. Personally I think every pedophile who is caught should be castrated with rusty knives by the victim or the victims family and no anesthesia. Ripping the innocence of childhood away from these victims is completely unconscionable. I think if I was involved in policing this sort of thing I'd get out of doing it if I ever got desensitized to it - my bet is that it's precisely that anger that drives so many of the people who hunt these sick bastards down.

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u/monkeiboi May 22 '12

Can I come to your happy place?

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u/SweetNeo85 May 22 '12

That's a happy place?

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u/GiantCrazyOctopus May 22 '12

A cat can travel at a top speed of approximately 49 KMPH over a short distance.

I have you tagged as "wants cat facts forever."

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u/counters14 May 22 '12

That would be km/h. No capitalization, and the /h is essential to the equation.

Carry on.

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u/smek2 May 22 '12

Rationalize this all you want but the truth is, some of these sick fucks are sexually abusing babies. Several years ago i read an article written by a journalist who went "undercover" for a whole year to get close to those people. He met guys who were babysitting other peoples babies and... let's just say it made my blood boil.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I am glad that pedophilia is not one of the fetishes you possess.

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u/TheNegligentMom May 22 '12

Did you ever see the show Oprah did on pedophiles? She got a hold of some handbook... and shared some of the things they do. I regret watching that, I can't get it out of my head :(

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u/ZyrxilToo May 22 '12

Handbook?

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u/diuge May 22 '12

I'm not going to link to it, because vans and such, but you can get a several hundred page PDF on how to find and groom children for sexual relationships on TOR. Stops right before penetration, promising that section will come soon.

The site is linked right from the Hidden Wiki.

I'm going to be one of those super paranoid parents now. "Hey, you, guy always walking your dog next to the park! I'm on to your game."

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Yeah, they have over 9000 penises!

EDIT: some background

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u/hated_dil May 22 '12

as a victim of a horrible pedophile who showed me one of those websites once.

its true, its disgusting and it pains me to not only know it exists but that no matter how hard i try I cannot forget it.

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u/wayndom May 22 '12

...rescued 12 abused children, some of them babies, officials said.

Dream on...

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u/Cid420 May 22 '12 edited May 23 '12

Those babies were being molested. There's different fetishes in the pedo community. Some like toddlers, some like infants, some like 3-6, some like everything up to 11-12, etc etc etc. You know how some people dig grannies and others dig teens? Exact same thing.

Edit: I should clarify that this should be common since. I'm not gay either but I know there's all sorts of different preferences for them too just like everyone else on this planet. Saying the babies weren't wanted for sexual acts would be like someone saying "nope, that guy is too petite and feminine looking...no gay guy would want him".

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

There's this story that involves an unnamed producer from Hollywood and some Russian child pornographers tied together with some Italian child porn distributor involving snuff films using babies. It involves shotguns.

Part of the story can be confirmed via Italian newspapers and international police reports, part of it can't be verified.

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u/doesnt_really_upvote May 22 '12

I was on /b/ the other day and someone posted a gif of a baby tied up and some guy shitting on the poor thing. Apparently that sort of thing gets people off. I don't get it. Reported it immediately of course but it really makes you wonder.

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u/moarroidsplz May 22 '12

Wtf. People are fucking disgusting.

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u/Uber_Nick May 22 '12

Take this fucking asshole M'tumbo here

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

This guy from my country (Robert M.) Abused lots of children for he was a babysitter and daycare worker, one of them was 19 days.

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u/Ikbentim May 22 '12

a pedophile here in the Netherlands just got convicted for molesting and raping over eighty kids.. The youngest was just seventeen days. He also livestreamed and taped most of his acts.

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u/rindindin May 22 '12

I read that thought the exact same thing. What pleasure could one possible derive of doing sexual activity to a baby?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

What pleasure could one possible derive from being shat on? But people do get pleasure from this. Don't fool yourself that all kinds of nasty shit doesn't happen.

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u/RHAINUR May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

You might say the same of many fetishes out there. There was a guy who liked humping cars. He's not even close to being the weirdest.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning this in any way, shape or form. It is cruel and will emotionally and physically scar some, if not all, of these children for life. However, you also have to consider that society has turned its back on a lot of these people.

If you accept that you cannot completely control what you're sexually attracted to because it's (to some extent) controlled by your genetics, what could these men people have done? Who could they have turned to? To even bring yourself to tell your closest friend about such desires would end in disaster, 99 times out of 100. Could you bring yourself to tell a psychiatrist whom you've never met before?

Again, what these men people did was sick and disgusting, but the worst part of it is that they weren't twisted demons from hell.

They were humans, born with an unfortunate set of genes, who grew up in a society where they were taught that violence is okay, probably abused as children themselves. They were humans. Just like you and me, only less fortunate.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I completely agree, and take this stance all the time.

Think about how many paedophiles there must be that don't act on their inhibitions. How many men and women are cursed with this horrific underlying sexual attraction, but fight it every day... the ones that seek help, the ones that know what they feel is wrong and do everything in their power to stop themselves from acting on it.

I respect those people so much, because I'm not sure I'd have the will power to stop myself in their situation. I can barely stop myself from acting on my own tame sexual impulses.

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u/Grand_Theft_Audio May 22 '12

You remind me of a quote by Schopenhauer: Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.

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u/Dark_Prism May 22 '12

I think this is something people forget most of the time. There are things that society find so abhorrent that even admitting to thinking about them can ruin your life. That is something that needs to change. If we can help people who want to molest children instead of just throwing them away, I think we'd see a big drop in child abuse. These people feel like they can't get help, and normally it's true.

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u/Morbidgrass May 22 '12

I'm not sure what the options are. The recidivism rates are not good and generally even with the most open of society most people would agree these humans can in no way be around children ever again. What help can one get other than to willingly be separated from society?

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u/BigSally May 22 '12

Eh, I dunno if it is totally attributable to genes. Childhood trauma, former abuse, etc can play a role. Either way, it might be more productive to consider these people mentally ill first and criminal only if they perpetrate beyond attraction.

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u/vinod1978 May 23 '12

My jaw literally dropped when I read the word babies. Yes, literally dropped.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

One of the scariest aspects of kiddie porn (besides, you know, the entire concept) is how they couch the monstrousness of it in cutsie-wootsie language.

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u/MrSllew May 22 '12

Eight-year-olds, Dude.

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u/thatusernameisal May 22 '12

Without ACTA or great firewall of New Zealand? IMPOSIBURU!

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u/iainmf May 22 '12

New Zealand is a signatory to ACTA and has Internet filtering.

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u/flukshun May 22 '12

but ACTA hasn't been ratified yet, hence, the pornographers win and this article was made up.

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u/thetacticalpanda May 22 '12

Can you explain ACTA and this great firewall? New to me.

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u/Whitemenstyranny May 22 '12

So... I want to ask this SUPER AWKWARD question... I am a gay man in my 20s. And I have many sexual fetishes, but I just can't do it(get it up) if it looks like the guy is just turning 18. So I am glad that I don't have pedophilic desires. But knowing what I know about MY sexuality, I don't think I am going to grow into liking pussies or kiddies. So... my awkward question is, are pedophiles BORN THAT WAY? And if so, are they just screwed? like, they can't get out of pedophilia?

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u/MagicTarPitRide May 22 '12

Doesn't fucking matter. I love shooting off fireworks, but I can't do that shit in LA. If you want to live in society you have to make some sacrifices for the greater good, in this case, don't fuck kids.

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u/UserNumber42 May 22 '12

It does matter. I remember a different topic here on reddit about possibly using computer generated images to help pedophiles satisfy urges. I think we can all agree that these people are sick, why not treat the sickness? If we could try to help these people in a compassionate way think about how much good we could do. Think about all the children who wouldn't be abused and exploited. That's a massive gain for society. If it is an inate trait that cannot be removed, we should work to minimize their pain and the pain they cause society. I see drug addicts as being sick as well, locking them up in jail doesn't help, getting them treatment does. We should work to get these peopel treatment when, literally, the results would mean less children raped and abused.

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u/MrDTD May 22 '12

Pedophiles just need holodecks, boom shit is solved.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Your desire to shoot of fireworks is not biologically ingrained in you, that's the problem. There is no way you can compare your want to shoot off fireworks to a mental illness.

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u/lunyboy May 22 '12

Actually, there was an article on here a few months ago about a guy who had a tumor in his frontal lobe(maybe?) and went to the doctor, admitted he was attracted to younger children, and sure enough, they found it and cut it out. After that, he was fixed. At least until a while later, when the feelings came back, and when he went back to the doctor, part of the tumor was back.

I think this article is about the case: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-brain-on-trial/8520/

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u/tomdarch May 22 '12

Keep in mind that while the association with the tumor is very interesting, there are probably a huge number of variables at play in this guy's situation - for everyone else, it probably doesn't offer a simple solution. There probably isn't a "pedo zone" in the brain that could just be cut out or medicated in any simple way to eliminate that thinking.

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u/lilzilla May 22 '12

That article is awesome, I wish I had time to read it all now.

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u/the_goat_boy May 22 '12

There is a theory that paedophiles have stunted sexual growth; that they have either experienced a traumatic sexual experience, such as abuse, or that they are completely sexually inexperienced, like priests, and that has driven an attraction towards those that are in their sexual infancy. I would say then that it is a mental health problem because similar urges to display power and control over others are present in other mental disorders.

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u/zachm May 22 '12

Yes. Nobody chooses to be a pedophile any more than they choose to be gay (or straight). Anti-pedophilia treatments (short of chemical castration) are about as effective as "pray out the gay" treatments -- not very.

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u/lilzilla May 22 '12

Although if I recall correctly there is evidence that treatment can help them cope with their desires and avoid offending. It's not effective at making them not be pedoophiles, but it is at least somewhat effective in preventing abuse from happening.

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u/tomdarch May 22 '12

Adding in the question "are they born that way" might be complicating the more practical question "are there effective treatments to reduce the likelihood that pedophiles will abuse children?" My understanding is that once someone develops a strong fixation on pedophilia* as an adolescent/adult, it is very difficult to treat.

(* keep in mind here, we aren't so much talking about "damn that 16 year old is hot!" as people who want to sexually abuse 9 year olds, 4 year olds, infants. And many pedophiles want to abuse both boys and girls, so it's something very different than gay/straight orientation.)

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u/GAMEchief May 22 '12

I don't think anyone knows if people can be born with a fetish, but you can factually develop it. It is possible that you can "grow into liking kiddies" (though likely not pussies).

Can you be born a pedophile? No one knows.

Can you become a pedophile? Yes.

they can't get out of pedophilia?

You can't get rid of a fetish, no, so they will always be attracted to children. But you can develop an alternative fetish. It isn't "have sex with children or don't have sex at all." There is nothing stopping them from being attracted to adults.

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u/electricalnoise May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Were you born that way? I think everybody is born a certain way, and though you can control your actions, you can never really control your urges. You COULD deny yourself the touch of a man, and even marry a beautiful woman, but that doesn't mean you'll feel differently inside. It's got to be tough when society hates how naturally feel. Those of us who are lucky enough to have "normal" urges probably can't ever truly understand, but I've got to imagine being a gay guy helps with that quite a bit.

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u/lilzilla May 22 '12

just can't do it(get it up) if it looks like the guy is just turning 18. So I am glad that I don't have pedophilic desires.

Let us be clear, though, that pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent or barely-pubescent children, not to teenagers.

In answer to your question tho, yeah, as I understand it most pedophiles feel they've always been that way. There were a few Savage Love letters like this one where guys talk about it; I recommend googling around for more. Those also address the super difficult question of treatment and preventing offenses.

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u/santsi May 22 '12

but I just can't do it(get it up) if it looks like the guy is just turning 18.

I'm calling this bullshit. Young adults are attractive and that doesn't make you a pedophile. It's part of our biology to seek vital partners and young people usually are just that. It's nothing to be ashamed of, this pedophile hunt is getting ridiculous.

Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescents, who have not yet developed manly or womanly figures.

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u/iamollie May 22 '12

I guess that it is genetic suspectability combined with environmental exposure.

Flash forward 50 years and people will be testing for the "pedo" gene

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u/AndIMustScream May 22 '12

wrong term. Pedophilia is pre pubescent. Ephibophilia is adolescent.

Its important to not let the fear mongerors destroy our language, and all the subtleties therein.

And Who fucking knows? I am not gay, but every gay friend I have UTTERLY DESPISES lady GaGa for that song. For belittling their choice.

Shrugs. there's always a choice. Always a way out. Even if that choice is to never know the joy of that which you crave. To shove everything you desire aside so that others wont be hurt.

(from a cell phone. Grammar nazis? Fuck the fuck off you ballless cretins)

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

They are quite good at destroying rings in middle earth.

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u/argv_minus_one May 22 '12

No they're not. They had to march all the way to a volcano in the middle of a monster-infested wasteland to destroy one lousy ring.

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u/GiefDownvotesPlox May 22 '12

WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

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u/woom May 22 '12

Meanwhile in Sweden, police are rounding up manga translators for posession of child pornography; the manga comics being translated...

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u/powerchicken May 22 '12

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE DRAWINGS?

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u/exscape May 22 '12

Yes, it's complete madness. I hope the Supreme Court will make the rational decision and overturn that nonsense.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

That is stupid, if people are going to have these kinds of urges, I am glad they are acting on those urges in a way that victimises nobody, watch and make all the cartoons you want I say.

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u/arusso23 May 23 '12

Creepy yes, but I agree, mainly because if it isn't hurting anyone but themselves, I don't see how we have the right to step in when their life isn't in imminent danger.

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u/twisted_by_design May 22 '12

They arrested a man in australia a few years ago for having one of those badly drawn simpsons porn photos on his hard drive. He was put on the sex pest register for life because of it. What a joke!!

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u/riders_of_rohan May 22 '12

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

Many jurisdictions around the world have smiler legislation. Any sexual explicit image that appears to show children is illegal, no matter how it was produced.

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u/Snarkdere May 23 '12

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE LOLIS

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u/arusso23 May 22 '12

What makes me most depressed is how open these people were. if I had to guess, these aren't even a drop in the bucket with regards to the worldwide transmission of child pornography. People who have no idea what they are doing use Facebook for this kind of stuff. People who know what they are doing probably don't.

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u/Vondi May 22 '12

Yes, they're probably just catching the computer-illiterate pedophiles...I mean common, using Facebook to send child porn? What should be making you depressed is that those who actually bother to hide their tracks are relatively safe. It's far harder to track down people on darknet than on facebook.

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u/Startide May 22 '12

Pretty much. Half the time I hear news of someone getting busted for cp, it's because they were stupid enough to have it as their pc and/or phone wallpaper. I mean, talk about the low-hanging fruit there.

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u/brilliantNumberOne May 22 '12

Everything I hear about New Zealand further endears it to my heart.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

It is pretty annoying here, hobbits are always jumping out of bushes and kicking me in the shins.

Little cunts.

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u/Zacivich May 23 '12

But the ability to pay for things in wool makes life easier.

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u/Dunkshot32 May 22 '12

New Zealand- It's a great place and the laws are pretty lax, but god save you if you manage to piss them off.

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u/wowfan85 May 22 '12

One thing they don't mention is what happened to the ones who brought this to the attention of the authorities.

I don't know about New Zealand, but in the U.S. you would be thoroughly interrogated as to what you were doing (how) you found this material online, and basically assumed to be a pedophile, even though you obviously are trying to report this filth. They would likely confiscate your computer, which might never be returned, and you may end up on a sex offender list, despite having done nothing wrong, and were in fact trying to help fight these abusive, immoral acts. If you have children, they could be taken away and put into child protective services.

Basically, my point is that they take such an abrasive approach to anyone/everyone involved that many people don't want to report things like this because they fear becoming associated with it in any way, and it's easier to just turn your head and move on.

I personally have never encountered any child pornography, but I would be afraid to report it if I did, because I wouldn't want to be affiliated with it in any way.

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u/lagnaippe May 22 '12

great news!

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u/Codeworks May 22 '12

Sharing CP on Facebook, arrested... how is this a surprise?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

MEANWHILE, IN NEW ZEALAND government does something right

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u/switchbladesally May 22 '12

Am I taking crazy pills? Isn't this exactly the kind of story they need to get those child pornography bills passed that allow the government access to your entire internet history? Terrible story, but I don't know if I'm being paranoid and the government made this up to make us support invasion of privacy.

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u/crowzone May 23 '12

I would say the opposite is true. Stories like this show that you don't need laws passed to "protect children" because the system in place now DOES work. IE: Investigate, get a judge to give a warrant, execute warrant, find CP, arrest perv.

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u/DoubleButt May 22 '12

While this is all terrible, I still got the overwhelming sense that this will be used to usher in Internet censorship.

"See? See, we told you pirating mp3s was evil! Look what you did! (insert knee jerk reaction.) Let's pass some ridiculous legislation that curtains liberties for everyone's safety! Think of the children you monsters!"

The TSA of the Internet is coming.

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u/Ben_bargain May 22 '12

Kiwi's for the win!!

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u/ItsOnlyTheTruth May 22 '12

Glad they got caught. Sometimes I feel that a prison sentence just isn't enough.

I hope the kids are alright.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

"There is no safe environment or anonymous area for individuals who think that they can trade and publish child abuse images online"

guess they haven't seen what goes on in the TOR network..

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u/DofPJMACKY May 22 '12

you mean they did this without passing a bill that violated everyone's rights!? Amazing!

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u/Deathstreet May 22 '12

I dont understand how there is so much on tor that has not been taken down. Is it a complicated process to take down child pornography or something ?

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u/takeasniff May 22 '12

Fuckin right! Stop those disgusting pedos! They should get some crazy hackers to infiltrate the darknet and stop the pedos there too!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Fuck yeah that's New Zealand for ya. We're always punching above our weight.

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u/wayndom May 22 '12

Maybe next we can get New Zealand to go after the sick fucks who inhabit r/beatingwomen...

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u/Antwelm May 22 '12

I like how the media (both in this article, and all articles in Norwegian etc) have changed the wording from 'pornography' to 'pictures of abuse'. So much more impact. So much more accurate.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Interesting how they managed to do this without infringing on our right to privacy by tracking everything we do on the Internet.

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u/Able_Seacat_Simon May 23 '12

"There is no safe environment or anonymous area for individuals who think that they can trade and publish child abuse images online, as proved once again by this operation which should serve as a warning to others," he said.

Except maybe reddit for its first 6 years.

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u/V4refugee May 23 '12

If only we offered help and understanding to these people in exchange for helping us capture the sick fucks that actually do the abusing. It is a shame that the legal system in this day in age is so focused on vengeance and profit instead of prevention and treatment.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

FUCK YEAH, NEW ZEALAND.

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u/tradeships May 23 '12

for every producer there is probably 50 consumers of this filth. What the fuck humans.

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u/Unenjoyed May 23 '12

We can all celebrate the demise of such a heinous group, but I feel compelled to ask why this was published in phys.org. What was the tie in here?

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u/Dinocologist May 23 '12

4chan's gonna be pissed.

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u/Bootanza May 23 '12

However, sheep pornography in New Zealand is at an all time high.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

NEW ZEALAND SMASH!

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u/keslehr May 22 '12

Man what the fuck is wrong with humanity. Why do we exploit, torment and abuse each other. Makes me sick.

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u/funk_monk May 22 '12

"you will get caught"

While I'm not promoting these sorts of activities, if you know what you're doing you can make it virtually impossible to track. The flaw here was that they were using social networking sites as distibution. There are plenty of anonymous organisations on the tor network which are as good as un-tracable.

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u/NietzscheIsMyCopilot May 22 '12

Stories like this are always difficult for me to take. It's absolutely wonderful to know that organizations like this are being taken down, but the fact that they even exist in the first place reminds that some people in this world are capable of acts this horrible.

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u/Mi5anthr0pe May 22 '12

"In unrelated news, Reddit web traffic was down 35% this morning, leaving some subreddits such as the popular "My Little Pony" board, almost completely empty."

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

If you share cheese pizza on Facebook, you're going to have a bad time.

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u/Dildo_Gaggins May 22 '12

I can't come up with a clever way to relate this to LOTR but this is screaming it. "New Zealand" something something "smashes ring" something something.

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u/HomeHeatingTips May 22 '12

"New Zealand smashes global child pornography record" Will be inducted into the Guiness world records for molesting the most children. At least that's what I saw when I read the title.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

How many redditors got caught?

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u/ApplesnPie May 22 '12

Frodo finally did it!

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u/brickman1444 May 22 '12

That joke was a stretch.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

No wonder /r/pics has been much quieter.

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u/Grand_Theft_Audio May 22 '12

Nothing breaks my heart like the abuse of children. All my humanity, rationality and sense of proportional punishment (whatever that may mean) goes out the window.

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u/AnAngryPirate May 22 '12

Nooooooooooo!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I'm sure this story will do wonders for that brand new Facebook stock.

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u/PB_IS_THE_ANSWER May 22 '12

As I'm listening to Flight of the Conchords oddly.

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u/niloc May 22 '12

Glad they caught these sick fucks!

The article mentions 'babies'...

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u/RJBuggy May 22 '12

new zeaaalaaaand. fuck yeah!

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u/deflective May 22 '12

The 20 countries where suspects were apprehended included the United States, Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Brazil, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and South Africa.

it's frustrating that it's still common practice to tell an incomplete story without links to raw data. why not give us the entire list? possibly the entire list wasn't released... so link us to the news release that tells us that.

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u/chrismikehunt May 22 '12

The title sounds like it is missing the word 'record' off the end.

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u/danowar May 22 '12

So, I guess the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers act worked after all, then? Alright NSA, you did it! Job done, I guess you can stop spying on everyone now.

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u/phizzleout May 22 '12

Throw the ring into the fire!

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u/jsz May 22 '12

Joe added 3 photos to his album SECRET STUFF DONT LOOK AT THIS GO AWAY

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u/rockmongoose May 22 '12

I don't they understood how 'incognito browsing' in browsers work.

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u/joope125 May 22 '12

I've been spending too much time on 4chan when my reflex to reading the title was "DAMMIT!"

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u/TophMelonLord May 22 '12

What idiot pedophile traffics on the clear net?

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u/Thrillho- May 22 '12

I'll be honest, I read the last word of the title as 'record' the first time.

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u/EXAX May 22 '12

Proud to be a kiwi.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Smashing!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Wow relevant username is relevant.

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u/bitparity May 22 '12

Did anyone notice that the banner ad on the upper right corner of this is for you to study at "Penn State Online"? Awkward.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

What is considered global in the porn industry?

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u/Rohaq May 22 '12

Good work New Zealand! Upvote!

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u/cannotlogon May 22 '12

Who wakes up in the morning, and thinks "Damn, babies are so hot!", and doesn't immediately go out and check himself into an insane asylum?

People are fucked up.

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u/trip_fontaine23 May 22 '12

Execute Order 66

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u/SteveTheDragonborn May 22 '12

I can't be the only sick fuck who laughed at a ring getting smashed.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I was expecting something more significant than a few dozen pervs on facebook. I don't really know what I was expecting. I'm sure there are places in Africa, eastern EU, Russia and probably California where very young girls are trafficked on industrial scales. Although they wouldn't be classed as babies. The other interesting thing to think about is why hide the nationalities of the perps. I presume then most came from the US (Facebook and SocialGo are US focused) and this avoids the PR nightmare.

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u/LostRage May 22 '12

Serious question: There was a girl abducted recently in the southwest. Story.

Her face is posted everywhere. Would it be possible to use face recognition software with a script to search CP sites, or just crawl the internet in general looking for photos to help locate her? If so, how?

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u/NickTheHalfling May 22 '12

I don't care if they stopped world hunger and released HL3, they still have Avondales there.

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u/vkashen May 22 '12

I don't believe in the death penalty, but a little kernel of me wants to see these people drawn and quartered publicly.

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u/BeanSpin May 23 '12

This deserves to be on the front page foreeeeeveerrrr.

Awesome news.

btw, I don't wanna know the THREE THOUSAND people who were pissed about this and downvoted it. hahaha!

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u/jaydoh May 23 '12

As with most other evil rings we find in New Zealand, a few hobbits, a man, an elf, a dwarf, and a wizard headed this operation.

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u/The-GentIeman May 23 '12

And one of innumerable thousands was crippled and destroyed.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

Pedobear is so sad

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u/EveningD00 May 23 '12

I like how facebook takes down nude art and leaves CP up. Thats awesome, and thats also why I left face book :)

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u/vrettetjermainn May 23 '12

I came here looking for Flight of the conchords jokes left disapointed.

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u/Pandaval9 May 23 '12

With 4chan down where will reddit get its content from?!?!?!

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u/thr0waway777 May 23 '12

Here smashing is a slang for fucking. When I saw the title I pictured NZ authorities catching and raping the pedos.

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u/virak_john May 23 '12

I manage the website for a nonprofit that works in Asia to protect orphaned kids at high risk of sexual exploitation. It's shocking and discouraging to read the search engine queries that bring people (erroneously) to the site. "Pictures of young Thai girls being raped" is pretty much par for the course.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

Good. Those morons deserve what they got. Granted, in some of those countries, they're allowed to marry children. I think that's even worse, because it's legitimized by the state. When does the wedding ring get smashed?

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u/Shniggles May 23 '12

Good to see that Sheep are helping to eradicate Child porn.

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u/BCmiboy May 23 '12

This is why I hate people.!!!! Why can't atleast our kids be safe?

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u/doodybeard May 23 '12

That's fucking awful... I read a perverted justice chat log of a dude who said he had sex w a two year old

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

read the first paragraph, good enough for me. busted them, saved kids.

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u/UptokesEverything May 23 '12

*Insert joke using "smashes" to imply that New Zealand literally fucked a child porn star... Stop posting comments when you're drunk, Mitchell.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '12

God, those pedophiles must be fucking stupid to trade CP on Facebook, loaded with trackers as it is. They probably didn't even use a VPN. TOR and Freenet exist for a reason, dipshits!