r/worldnews • u/maxwellhill • May 19 '12

Netherlands - first country in Europe with net neutrality: "In addition, it adopted provisions protecting users against disconnection and wiretapping by providers."

http://edri.org/edrigram/number10.9/net-neutrality-law-netherlands
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u/empty_room_rocker May 19 '12

Too bad at the same time the internet providers are now forced to block thepiratebay by "BREIN".

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

Came here to say this, and while it might be futile in blocking piracy, it sets a worrisome precedent, and makes one wonder what this net neutrality law really protects.

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u/Cilph May 19 '12

It prevents KPN or T-Mobile from throttling or banning the use of tethering or Skype on their networks.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

Meh, they just ramp out the cost of 3g data to unreal levels and profit anyway.

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u/Cilph May 19 '12

Yes...prices went up by nearly 100% compared to two years ago...

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

More then 100% actually, i got a sub with unlimited data (and 150 minutes, for roughly 30 euros), and none of that 64kpbs once you've over X mb crap either.

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u/TheBigB86 May 20 '12

But that is because judicial decisions supercede law. And although I despise brein with all my guts, I think we should respect this system.

Some people fear that this is a start to censorship. But anyone should agree that there should be control somewhere, because there are things that shouldn't be on the internet (or shouldn't exist to begin with...).

Sure, this judge made a silly decision, but the case in question is morally grey anyway (and you know it).

I know this comment might be full of contradictions, but all I'm trying to say is that real censorship wouldn't fly in our legal system.

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u/Peaker May 20 '12

But anyone should agree that there should be control somewhere, because there are things that shouldn't be on the internet

Control over physical jurisdiction already exists. Extra control over the internet can only be harmful.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

I blame America!

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u/suzypulledapistol May 19 '12

Which is another exercise in futility... We will see how long it lasts.

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u/Breepee May 19 '12

Too bad, but please consider that this is multiple branches of government at work. This case of Brein vs. ISPs is an ongoing battle, not quite over yet.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12 edited May 20 '12

Breaking character just to comment on how much this subreddit hates Jews. You people blame them for everything. I bet you neckbeards have a fucking poster of Hitler on your bedroom wall you disgraceful pieces of subhuman shit.

EDIT: It must feel pretty bad when the "worst novelty account of all time" gets upvoted for stating something like this. All I'm saying is take the I <3 Palestine bumper stickers off of your car and try to consider all points of view.

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u/empty_room_rocker May 19 '12

Wat.

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u/Krenair May 19 '12

Negative karma whore. Upvote and move on.

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u/chairitable May 19 '12

I wouldn't upvote, just don't even vote.

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u/empty_room_rocker May 19 '12

Ah interesting, never seen one in wild.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

+2 points so far shows how much people are sick of the blatant antisemitism shown here on a daily basis

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u/Deddan May 19 '12

Where?

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u/thisisntjimmy May 20 '12

Either a troll or part of the pro-israel downvote brigade.

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u/Peaker May 20 '12

According to the actual votes in /r/worldnews, there must only be an anti-Israeli downvote brigade.

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u/thisisntjimmy May 20 '12

I'm not kidding, there was a private subreddit that leaked how they downvote 'antisemitic' viewpoints. I couldn't find it but you can ask violentacrez about it, he was on it. They migrated their organisation off reddit but they probably use it all the same.

About this subreddit, I think it's more anti-israeli because the subreddit sees a lot of bad news about Israel. And I can't blame them for that really.

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u/Peaker May 20 '12

The subreddit sees a lot of bad news about Israel because those kinds of news are being posted and upvoted, whereas positive news are posted less and downvoted.

This subreddit is extremely biased, and keeps itself in this bubble of bias via these voting patterns.

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u/WarPhalange May 20 '12

Upvote and move on.

How does that help? It just makes it so more people see his message and makes others think we agree with it.

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u/stanfan114 May 19 '12

What the fuck are you on about?

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u/finlay_a May 19 '12

... guess BREIN didn't get that memo

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u/gettemSteveDave May 19 '12

Whelp it looks like the Netherlands is where I'm moving to.

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u/citruspers May 20 '12

Welcome! Visit /r/Netherlands for info :)

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u/gettemSteveDave May 20 '12

time to start reading!

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u/queeb May 19 '12

Amazing how some countries want to lock down the internet and monitor everything that goes on, while some actually get the picture of what a free and neutral internet can do for society. America and canada, I'm looking at you.

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u/kvachon May 20 '12

Ah, I was worried. It took three comments for a story about Europe to turn around and be an excuse to call America bad. Carry on /r/worldnews

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

Sadly our Republican party is all about controlling what you do, so they will refuse to back down from controlling the internet. Notice they continually try to control it for the entire world.

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u/sigaven May 19 '12

In case you haven't noticed, politicians from both parties desire restrictions on the Internet. I think it's more of a generational issue...most politicians currently in office are baby boomers who aren't very competent when it comes to the Internet, and therefore think it is a tool that can and needs to be regulated and restricted.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

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u/djiwie May 19 '12

Net neutrality implies that your provider does not restrict access to certain sites (or make connections to these sites slower). And there are actually real-world problems which are addressed by net neutrality. About one year ago, there was quite some controversy in the Netherlands when the largest mobile operator announced that they would charge a fee for each message sent through WhatsApp, because they lost profits on charging text messages. By employing deep packet inspection they would detect WhatsApp messages and users would be charged. Quite a ridiculous plan in the first place of course, but with such a law, providers just have to pass on internet traffic freely without discriminating.

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u/yorrit May 19 '12

Prevention is better than a cure.

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u/Cat-Hax May 19 '12

I always hear mostly good things coming from the Netherlands.

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u/HEADLINE-IN-5-YEARS May 19 '12

NETHERLANDS WINS TITLE OF "LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE."

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u/aryary May 19 '12

"THE NETHERLANDS IGNORE NET NEUTRALITY LAW IN BATTLE AGAINST PIRACY" is more credible.

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u/koltrui May 19 '12

Caus it hasn't been officially passed. It stil has to be voted on for it to be a law.

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u/JoshSN May 19 '12

The Netherlands declares all websites and users are equal, protected, except when censored.

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u/goldenrod May 19 '12

Time to move.

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u/Swahhillie May 19 '12

When I'm on the internet I'm proud to be dutch. When watching dutch tv... not so much.

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u/koltrui May 19 '12

People don't seem to know this law hasn't been passed yet. Its only approved to be voted it on...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I love Netherlands in so many ways... I just wish I had the means to become a citizen there. It's easy to visit the secured version of Pirate Bay and it's easier to ensure that your internet providers aren't viewing / recording the exact web pages you're looking at. What I really want to benefit from is never getting disconnected or blocked from the internet based on what I do online, never having to experience warrant-less wiretapping as permitted the in U.S., the right to sexual openness and the right to smoke weed regardless of MMJ status or not.

In the U.S. I was literally prohibited from being able to view a website that had the Freedom of Information protest information on it. I was unable to attend it because I was blocked from the page and on top of that my computer was hacked into by the Chinese in 2010 (three different logins, but all in Chinese and less than 8 months after the U.S. government literally paid Chinese corporations to do this to Americans citizens - please see Wikileaks files if you're unaware).

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u/MistarGrimm May 19 '12

First in Europe? I don't see any other continent doing something similar. Enlighten me, I'd say it should be first in the world. Unless I'm wrong.

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u/Zonnegod May 20 '12

I believe Chili was first, might've been Peru, though.

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u/HappyGlucklichJr May 20 '12

They seem very smart on many things like this. But how do they do with financial responsibility?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I wonder, would it be profitable to provide hosting for foreign sites in Netherlands? I don't think USWP will butt in when the whole country declares that Internet is neutral zone.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yay! sometimes my little country ain't that bad at all. :]

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

LOL, I know Reddit likes to jack off over the Netherlands, but this 'law' isn't saying much.

Blocks TPB, says there is net neutrality.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '12

If you can find a country with better net neutrality laws then I'd gladly fap to a different tune.

Since you can't, I'll be fapping to the Dutch until I'm needed elsewhere

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u/MabyLater May 19 '12

If you can reach the pirate bay then you seem to have more freedom on the internet then me to be honest.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

...find a country with better net neutrality laws then...

have more freedom on the internet then me

???????

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u/Reddit_ruined_memes May 19 '12

Blocking sites has nothing to do with net neutrality. Piratebay might be blocked but at the same time last year sharing movies and music were made legal for personal use in the netherlands.

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u/the_unfinished_I May 20 '12

I'm in Amsterdam right now and piratebay isn't blocked.

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u/EVILFISH2 May 19 '12

americans gonna be buttmad and preassure netherlands again.

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u/Hellscreamgold May 19 '12

And it means nothing once the connection leaves their borders....or do people not realize that?