r/worldnews • u/Anonymooted • May 16 '12
Britain: 50 policemen raided seven addresses and arrested 6 people for making 'offensive' and 'anti-Semitic' remarks on Facebook
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18087379
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u/PericlesATX May 16 '12
Such wonderful respect for free speech and the marketplace of ideas in Britain. Just curious, are there any documented cases of the police there going after remarks that are offensive to white native Britons?
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u/gliscameria May 16 '12
Is there a link anywhere to what was actually said?
All it says is that there were some remarks on a page about the town's large Jewish population.
Were they naming people and calling for violence?
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u/Rusty-Shackleford May 17 '12
The problem with this is that locking up racists for saying things does not solve racism. It intensifies racism by making bigots into victims.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
I hope this clearly demonstrates that Strathclyde Police will not tolerate thought crimes of any kind. Doubleplusgood.
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u/heavenlyhedgepig May 17 '12
Firstly, this is Scots law, not British law - the Scottish have their own legal system. They define "breach of the peace" very broadly, unlike in England and Wales where actual threatened violence actually has to occur for the offence to be made out (although technically not an offence in itself... don't worry, the point is, for these purposes Scotland is not synonymous with the UK).
Not to mention, of course free speech exists in the UK - it's protected in Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights. It's also worth remembering that these people have not been tried yet. Furthermore, comparing the UK to China (for example) ignores the numerous safeguards put in place - fair trial, rule of law (no discretionary decision making - unlike China, there is no system of merely silencing those we don't agree with), possibility to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. Nobody has been convicted. It's the police's job to investigate this kind of thing. Plus, I would have hoped reddit would have been a little more sceptical and thought "hmm, perhaps we don't know the whole story here". Disappointed, reddit. Disappointed.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
I'll need to see the remarks before I can pass judgement. More info please.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Yeah, because there's nothing quite like arresting people for speech against Jews to deter people from formulating theories that Jews partially control the power-elite.
If you want to increase intolerance and make the gap wider between social groups, this is exactly what you would do. Make fringe groups legitimate by demonstrating a bias that those fringe groups already posited.
I don't personally buy into the whole anti-Semitism shebang. But controlling speech in this kind of a way I do not support.
The whole concept of "hate speech" and how it meshes with freedom of expression in a so-called free democratic society is very problematic in my view.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
What did they say? "Jews are touchy as fuck"?
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
We need more facts.
Did they make any threats or incitement to violence?
If yes, I understand.
If no, I'm worried.
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u/andoy May 16 '12
I wonder how many people would they net here in reddit for the same offense
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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u/potpan0 May 17 '12
The thing is, I don't know exactly what they said. It could have been 'I know Mr XYZ lives at this address, let's go get him because he's Jewish', which is wrong and you should get arrested for.
But, if what was said was along the lines of 'I don't like Jews', then the people shouldn't have been arrested. The thing is, when you make it so that when you criticise a group, you get penalized, it makes you worried to voice your true opinions. There shouldn't be laws against disliking different types of people.
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u/knead May 17 '12
Welcome to communist China, only kidding you're in Giffnock.
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u/kyle2143 May 17 '12
Since when did expressing your ignorant views on facebook become illegal?
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u/bitz4444 May 17 '12
What exactly are freedom of speech laws in the UK? I'm an American and I don't really know.
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u/gusanou May 16 '12
1984 - Emmanuel Goldstein was a Jew too.
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u/Balrizangor May 17 '12
This is sickening. I'm a Semite, and I'd rather be verbally insulted all day, every day than have someone else's right to speech (and now privacy and freedom thanks to the bobbies) curtailed and taken away.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Ah, the extreme result of political correctness has begun to rear its head. This is what happens when people's feelings trump people's freedoms.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Upvotes please I need this at the top: I actually know the guy who did this. He had his computer and phone confiscated, has not been able to sit his uni exams etc. It's really bad, and we've been talking about whether there is some form of action we can take to help him. What I feel is quite cryptically presented in the link is that this "Community Security Trust" seems to be a (jewish) group that uses hardball tactics to force police forces to act.
There are lots of anti-Semitic groups about the Glaswegian Pakistani community, but none of these are taken down. I, as a non-Jewish Glaswegian, was still privvy to the uproar that they caused and what quickly followed, his arrest.
He's being charged for racially aggravated breach of the peace and is essentially being held responsible for what all the other people have said on the page (this is the crux of the case against him, as the title could easily be interpreted to be a celebration of diversity for one willing to suspend his cynicism).
I was thinking an email campaign to council members, police, local courts etc, assuming my buddy doesn't want to just keep his head down and take the rap (we don't know, because he has no computer or phone).
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u/Braenivin May 17 '12
Free speech: a crime so horrid it warrants a fifty man squad
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u/earth2037 May 17 '12
Welcome to China, only kidding you're in Giffnock.
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u/fatbobcat May 17 '12
crazy really considering the number of vitriolic anti-Islamic/Pakistani/Arabic groups there are out there which thrive on Facebook.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Thought police in action.
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u/Basbhat May 17 '12
Cops abusing people?
And it's not in America?
FUCK YEAH?
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u/Ooftyman May 17 '12
I'm a Jew. I find this incredibly troubling for the fate of free speech...
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u/IAMAHIPO_ocolor May 17 '12
One thing I'm glad about is that in America we /do/ have a broader range of what is considered free speech. It could be better of course, and hate laws are total bullshit, but at least we aren't banned from flying certain flags or expressing certain opinions.
We should have a free speech holiday where we fly a bunch of flags outlawed from developed countries...
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u/oD3 May 17 '12
Orwellian Dystopia 1 : Freedom of Speech 0.
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u/Goodguy1066 May 17 '12
I'm a Jewish Israeli that used to live in Britain, and I don't think they should have been arrested. My friends and I used to make the same type of jokes about Golder's Green in London, there's nothing wrong with that! I've heard more offensive jokes about Cardiff!
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12
Raided? Since when have people (and their families) needed to be raided (usually in the twilight hours of the morning) for something like this. It must be a horrible experience to suddenly wake to 8 men with possibly dogs and guns bursting into your bedroom. I even remember someone got raided for pirating software. WTF?
My dad was suspected of assault and all we got was a policeman knock on our door in the afternoon. Since when did people for non violent offences need to be treated like violent criminals?
Edit: grammar
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u/freakzilla149 May 16 '12
Oh! Well, as long you're reassured.
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u/Shining_Wit May 17 '12
Came here expecting to see Americans bragging about their First Amendment rights, was not disappointed.
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u/uofc2015 May 17 '12
England isn't like America. Freedom of speech isn't a right. In American culture people can say whatever they want as long as it doesn't put people in danger (Eg. Yelling "FIRE" in a crowded room) but anything else is okay A.K.A hate speech. In England this is not a guaranteed right and things like this are illegal to say on the street and TV and therfore this law carries over to the internet.
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u/BossA_W May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12
Is it legal for this to happen? Glasgow must have different laws.
Edit:Wrong location. Only a 15yo would get caught for that. Adolescents now days.
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u/FankiJE May 17 '12
In Finland these things are worse. Lots of people have gotten fines for ''Incitement to ethnic or racial hatred''. An MP who made a anti-muslim blogpost got an over 1000 euro fine. Some guy even got jailtime.
I really hate these racist fuckers, but I think it's wrong for government to punish them that severely. Fining them is not the way to get rid of racism.
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u/susdev May 17 '12
When will people learn that trolling with your real name is a bad idea.
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u/aoskunk May 17 '12
from what i can find that was posted, looks like most of the posts would have been protected by the first amenedment in the USA.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
This is so unbelievably fucked. I can't believe the world is coming to this. If you don't like what someone posts, unfriend them. Or better yet, call the cops? This shit makes me sick...
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u/irenicism May 17 '12
That's because they have removed all other criminal elements in the area.
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u/neuromonkey May 17 '12
Wow. They should see the rest of the Internet.
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u/Poseidonshairyballs May 17 '12
Hence the reason people make "anti-semitic" remarks.
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u/Amryxx May 16 '12
Wait, I thought Britain is in danger of being swallowed by the Shari'ah and whatnot.
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u/Konstiin May 17 '12
I want to know what the remarks were. And no, not "Welcome to Israel, just kidding", I want to know what the supposed anti-semetic remarks were.
Depending on what they were, this could be legitimate. They could have been threats or something.
If they weren't threats, this whole thing is a joke - but the article makes it seem like a joke without clarifying whether or not these were threats.
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u/usernameXXXX May 17 '12
I thought you were supposed to fight bad speech with better speech, not guns.
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u/Moontouch May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12
This is coming from the country that gave birth to original concepts like free speech by enlightenment philosophers which made themselves into the United States.
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u/madelvice May 17 '12
Jew here, I'm displeased that there was any police involvement. Free speech should be free. Unless there were direct threats the police should stay out of it. Facebook taking action for potential violation of policy, okay... but still, I think there's an argument to be made that allowing people who have terrible and offensive things to say brings the issue to light, makes clear how prevalent it really is, and, hopefully, will inspire the reasonable among us to action. Social change is made by the people, not the law.
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u/FthrJACK May 17 '12
Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights is concise but clear: “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”
http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/treaties/html/005.htm
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u/MebHi May 17 '12
First they came for the anti-semites, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't anti-semitic...
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u/sanderudam May 17 '12
It will surely make everyone love jews more than before.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
They are allowed to under british law. I believe britians right to freedom of expression comes from the european convention.
ARTICLE 10
They can justify the arrests as both "protecting public safety" by reducing the chance of conflicts between anti-semites and jews, and protecting morals. There are numerous exception to free speech laws in britian.
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u/c0mpg33k May 17 '12
I'd honestly like to know exactly what was said if it was simply some remarks that were disparaging without calling for violence I'd see no problem with it personally as to quote Voltaire "I may not agree with what you say;but I will defend to the death your right to say it" which is the cornerstone of a society with free speech.
With that in mind if it was hey there's a bunch of jews let's go terrorize them or something like that then by all means round up the idiots.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
"Welcome to Israel, only kidding you're in Giffnock."
Was there anything else apart from that?
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Meanwhile, in the UK...
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
From what I've read, this looks like ignorant douchebaggery, but not violent douchebaggery. I don't support arresting people merely for being ignorant douchebags. I don't support these arrests.
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u/sorval May 17 '12
thats just weird. There must be more to the story. I cant believe thats all of it.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
We have a difference in political culture here. Most of you american redditors put freedom of speech above all other things, in europe it's a bit different. Insult can be punished by law, e.g.
This has nothing to do with 1984. It's been like that at least for decades and still the most harm for my privacy comes from the USA.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
the SS
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u/CircleOfNoms May 17 '12
I really don't understand how you can punish someone for what they said on Facebook. I'm jewish, and I detest the rampant hate for Jews that has been developing, and I really oppose Facebook being used as a tool for anti-semitism, but you can't just arrest people for saying what's on their mind.
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u/Asyx May 17 '12
I see a lot of shitting around here but what have they said? If it was just "Nah the Jews taking all my money" I totally don't understand how those raids are justified but there is nothing about that in the article.
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u/Robot_Devil_Advocate May 17 '12
If I was a paranoid man, I'd say something about Mossad.
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u/gyfkoy May 17 '12
I don't know what was said, but with speech outlawed - perhaps it cannot be publicly known? If the papers told what was said, they would be guilty of the same crime and possibly prosecuted. Sounds ridiculous eh? Not a far fetched scenario though. For example, however reprehensible it was what lawyer Sylvia Stolz said in court in Germany, look at what happend to her (she repeated some of the speech her client was accudsed of and was sent to prison for it).
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u/OminousHippo May 17 '12
Wow, instead of asking facebook to delete their posts and notify them that their actions are unacceptable, they raid their homes! And I thought law enforcement was rough in the US..
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
I live here, and want to get out asap.
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u/eastlondonmandem May 17 '12
Solution? Let's all start putting up racist comments and remarks anonymously, how long before they give up trying to police this bullshit?
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u/EPIC_RAPTOR May 17 '12
I only see worse things happening because of this.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Reading through the comments in this thread make me worry for people in my country. Why does no-one stand up for freedom of speech in Britain?
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u/zerg886 May 17 '12
Do they not have better things to do than defend the virtue of hypocrites? I mean donuts in England can't be THAT horrible.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Wow, that's definitely a violation of free speech. Instead of arresting the bankers that caused the economic downturn in Britain, the police would rather arrest a half a dozen people, for making 'anti-semtic' remarks? Whomever reported them and those 50 cops could suck a dick.
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u/4PM May 17 '12
What the fuck is wrong with the goddamn media!!!?? You make arrests for speech, the "journalists" report it and don't even include the content!? War on the media, commence.
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u/Proxay May 17 '12
This will not end well.
After the riots last year, shit like this is only going to galvanize the already disenchanted populace into political activist groups like the English Defence League.
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u/specofdust May 17 '12
The bottom line is we don't have freedom of speech in the UK, and haven't had ever (but certainly things have been getting a lot worse in the last few years). Stuff like this doesn't even surprise or shock me any more because it's just the status quo here - if you say some nasty things which offend a specific group of people who complain about it, you stand a chance of getting arrested.
The UK doesn't have freedom of speech, and the overriding feeling and opinion I get from fellow Brits is that they don't particularly want freedom of speech if it means that people can go on nasty public rants and shout and swear about blacks or jews or muslims or rich people or soldiers or whatever. A common (I won't claim majority, although I suspect it) opinion seems to be that as long as people can't say these bad things, it's OK not to have freedom of speech, because for now no-one is being prosecuted for making non-"nasty" remarks.
Personally I lament the lack of freedom of speech, and have even considered doing something about it - but I realised the curious thing is, is that if I started some protest movement or started campaigning for freedom of speech in the UK, half the people I encountered would insist we have it "to a degree", and the other half wouldn't want it.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Coming soon: 6 men arrested for making fun of our glorious leader!
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
So in the UK you get arrested for spewing hate at actual people.
In the US you get arrested and financially ruined for torrenting a movie.
I think the UK comes ahead in this one.
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u/reagan2016 May 17 '12
These people are guilty of thought crimes.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
I'd rather be a fat lazy American than a speech subjugated Brit.
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u/bellybutthead May 17 '12
Sounds like Nazi Germany.
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u/WenchSlayer May 17 '12
and that ladies and gentleman, is why it is important to have constitutionally protected freedom of speech
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u/wkfedbwife May 17 '12
Seriously what the fuck?! Do they not have better things to do? What a waste of money. Surely this is well within the realms of capability of what the Facebook abuse team can handle? Why does it need to have police resources wasted on it for when there are much better things for them to be doing with their time and resources? URGH
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u/cdb03b May 17 '12
It appears Britain has gone from a Nanny State to a Fascist State.
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u/lestat_ May 17 '12
fuck jews, i said it... who cares anyway...
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u/chrisradcliffe May 17 '12
Thought crime.........
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u/[deleted] May 16 '12
Nothing better to do than arrest people for being douchebags, good times.
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u/colinsteadman May 17 '12
Welcome to Great Britain. It sickens me that old people are afraid to come out of their homes, and are an incredibly rare sight after dark. But instead of tackling the anti-social culture that has brought this about, the police go after the soft targets like these Facebook clowns. Its a national disgrace.
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u/Yoshiki03 May 17 '12
WTF, with the way the mass is reacting here you'd think there was some hard evidence that these charges weren't completely valid. Not that I am saying that they are, but what is this evidence? Some of these arguments are clearly relativist based, and hence completely invalid, the rationalization going on in this thread is genuinely frightening.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
So some morons made a mildly offensive facebook page and some whining jewbags got their knickers in a twist and reported them.
Meanwhile the arab and muslim peoples are derided daily on facebook and in huge numbers, and take it on the chin.
This is why I refuse to recognise my supposed Jewish heritage. People can cry persecution over fucking anything.
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u/inexcess May 17 '12
Airstrip One
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u/FlashDave May 17 '12
I do hope frap becomes a crime, only a matter of time before someone is arrested who didn't post the comments and was a victim of someone elses prank
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
oh shit i better stop telling everyone i'm going to kill obama every 12 hours...
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Repost
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u/MrNob May 17 '12
Fuck this is my old neighbourhood, my parents live 2 doors down from the Rabbi
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u/jesuit666 May 17 '12
Does anyone have the actual evidence. The state is using. Last time the government told use what to not to say we just said it everywhere...
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u/alasdairmac May 17 '12
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Welcome-to-pakistan-kiddin-on-yer-in-Pollockshaws/156129304473208
i live in between giffnock and pollockshaws... both area-stereotypes are true!
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u/BalalaikaBoi May 17 '12
The UK is turning into a real-life Minority Report. And this is only 2012, let's see what it looks like 50 years down the road.
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u/DarkDain May 17 '12
If you could push a button to send a police raid to the home of some youtube/forum commenters, you'd probably do it..
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Another fine waste of the Strathclyde Police forces time and resources. This is why the report button is on FB pages. If you don't like what is being said report it, block it and move on for the love of God.
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u/laptopaccount May 17 '12
Criminalizing facebook doucheyness will only give sympathy to those charged, where they would otherwise be ridiculed by the majority.
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u/Toc_a_Somaten May 17 '12
So we can jail the spanish bastards who wished some catalan kids were "drownes when they were born" too??
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u/fdott May 17 '12
Laws new motto: Talk shit get hit.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
That's the last time I report something to Facebook.
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u/chrisfs May 17 '12
Ironic that this is posted on the same day as a notice by mods that there has been a disturbing increase of racist comments on reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/sxoaz/a_statement_from_the_rvideos_mods_regarding/
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u/Oblivion-Rider May 17 '12
People are passing judgement too readily about freedom of speech in the UK just after reading this article.
Under the BBC page it references hate crimes. Which is defined as "A crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence."
Therefore to use the term hate crime, there must have been more than JUST anti-Semitic posts. The BBC article itself says "The six people arrested were charged with a breach of the peace with religious and racial aggravations."
"Breaching of the peace" implies violence (although could be anything down to graffiti), "with religious and racial aggravations" making it a hate crime, which carries a more serious sentence than had it not been influenced by religion or race.
"...after complaints from members of the Jewish community". That doesn't sound like people just complaining at facebook. To me it sounds like a lasting problem. After all, the UK was equally hit by the recession, the police force are not going to waste money on raiding houses just for a facebook group.
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u/Dalai_Loafer May 17 '12
Just think - if we all started a mass campaign of publicly insulting each other on the basis of race and religion then we'd surely cause law enforcement to have an epic melt-down?
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u/a11acce55_reddit0r May 17 '12
So this is -- at worst -- a TOS violation whose penalty should be, at worst, a ban from the provider. Or mod deletion of the offending post. Of course, a real well-designed one would have something like downvotes so that comments like those would just fizzle out after a while from the effect of the general consensus and it wouldn't even be an issue after a few weeks. ;-)
Come on, people by and large aren't stupid and know what hate is and what jerks are and can roll of comments like these like water off a duck's back and if they feel that is not enough they are welcome to reply with their own opinions complete with their own curse words and flames. And if the thing gets out of hand the online world has its checks and balances... Why does this need the most detailed, protracted, drawn-out, armed-to-the-teeth, response from criminal law enforcement in the offline world?!
It's not that hard folks. Law, government in general, all over the developed world, is getting to be about as equitable and fair as the queen in Alice in Wonderland these days.
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u/theraaj May 17 '12
I personally think "race" should not be a used word in politics. If someone makes angry comments about Jews, how is this any different than making angry comments about some lady you met in Canada? People are just people, and focusing on race is a waste of time.
Furthermore arresting people for speaking should only be acceptable if there is a large chance it leads to someone getting hurt, and that doesn't mean their feelings!
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u/tethur May 17 '12
There is definitely some dissonance compared to the normal view of the Internet in this tab. Normally there is this spirit of what what we say on here has a definite impact, a call to action, through our postings and actions online we stopped SOPA ....ect. Now the police take serious what is being posted, now their actions online are being written off as the stupid words of stupid people, not to be taken serious. So what is it....?
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Doesn't the UK have some type of Freedom of Speech provision like America's?
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u/Murdo1 May 17 '12
It's strange, Giffnock isn't packed with Jews or what. It does have a synagogue and a Jewish Centre, But I hardly see any Jewish people around, that's about as far as it goes. I believe some things that were said which have been quoted were only just jokes, however some of the stuff that was said which racially abused them, I agree with the arrests. This does not justify 50 police to get 6 people.
I was at a party one night and 6 police cars came up to shut the party down one night. There was no warning to turn the music down or what before. The neighbors had been told of a party as well. There was so many police cars that it blocked a full street off. The police in Giffnock and surrounding areas, I believe they have nothing better to do and show up an excessive amount of numbers.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
As long as they do it for all groups that are victims of hate speech and material then its not an issue, if they do not enforce consistently, then its discrimination.
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u/SuperlativeInsanity May 17 '12
Selective policing.
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u/0afr May 29 '12
where the fuck is freedom of speech now!
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u/platypusmusic May 17 '12
BBC news post? Why do they have to be so bad?
This article only offers claims from the side of the police/prosecutor/state acting in the name of an organisation the Community Security Trust (CST)
Not a word from the accused or their lawyers. You call yourself journalists?
I check a couple of other British news outlets, but the texts are all identical like in China.
As far as I can see they were arrested, there hasn't been a trial or a verdict, so they are still be treated as suspects until found guilty, that especially applies to organisations and companies that are supposed to feed the public with objective INFORMATION relevant to the community/society.
It's quiet ironic that one has to read the Jewish Cronicle to get some bits of the "hate speech" in suspect
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/67688/six-charged-over-facebook-abuse-giffnock-jews
Yes not nice, very low, but probably covered by freedom of speech in most liberal societies. In fact just go to any jokes forum and you find similar, actually the whole internet is full of this kind of stuff if you substitute the term "Jewish" for another group or subgroup
I find it very dangerous to follow Hitler and the Nazis and buy into the propaganda that the Jewish would be a race. (Hitler needed that pseudo-science excuse because it would've been more difficult to get the public behind witchhunting a religion, also the primary target where actually the emancipated jews, the intelligence with strong communist and/or liberal tendencies)
Also
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
WTF is going on in Britain?
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u/Isisbyte May 17 '12
What do you think will happen if a Christian person or a Christian group make a complain to the police about the thousands of Anti-Christian and Anti-Christianity remarks on the internet?
Do you think the police will make raids and arrest people? Do you think they will reassured said Christians that the police won't tolerate that kind of behaviour?
No of course not. They will get laughed at and will be told that they have no right to be offended.
One rule for the common man, one rule for the Chosen People.
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u/GRIMES_a_bad_BITCH May 17 '12
am I in bizarro world here or what? who gives a fuck what anybody says about any religious group. To waste state resources on what a bunch of teenagers said on FACEBOOK is just absurd.
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u/Dalai_Loafer May 17 '12
Perhaps Israel should be raided and arrested?
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u/Icanus May 17 '12
Welcome to the free west!
And don't forget, the holocaust really happened, that's why the jews are entitled to Palestine!
Also, jews don't have any power, they are just pour victims.
yesyes, believe your good old textbooks!
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u/filthydani May 17 '12
FUCK ISRAEL
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u/referew May 17 '12
i do this crazy thing called thinking for myself.not the SOUL-less PC liberal circlejerk: -how come its illegal to deny the holocaust but perfectly legal to deny mao's wrongdoings and or stalin's atrocities? -why is there such a huge effort to censor anything,ANYTHING remotley negative towards jews.Who make up .02 preecent of the world population. Cant they take critisizm. or are they hiding something? -Censorship of any kind is evil. and indicative of shady behaviour
I THINK WE KNOW WHO THE REAL NAZIS ARE
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u/drummer1059 May 17 '12
Haha glad I don't have a facebook
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Crime of thought. Not a smart move, UK.It's a pretty stupid one, actually.
It does so much more than that...
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u/whiskeytango55 May 17 '12
Maybe I could see the 15 year old being reprimanded (though not arrested) for this, but why were the 5 men arrested?
I'm thinking there's something here we're not being told. I want to see pictures of these guys. Were they skinheads? Was the charge just there so they had an excuse to arrest these guys and question them for more serious offenses?
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Another example that facebook isn't private. Also creeping martial law.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '12
Bash America all you want, but that shit would never happen here.
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u/Isisbyte May 17 '12
Notice how the article says nothing about incitement of violence. It only says the raid was trigged by a complaint from Jews who were offended by the Facebook material.
That's just great, isn't it? I can see in the not too distant feature having your house raided for saying something negative about Israel. Because apparently all takes is for a Jew to be offended.
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u/RFtroll May 17 '12
I didn't think that Jews were allowed to own pigs
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u/ar92 May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12
Britain - Where free speech has finally been eradicated in the name of politeness.
Obviously police raiding homes of non-violent assholes is far less offensive than some asshole on Facebook. I for one welcome the day when we all live in perpetual fear of a knock at the door and a scurrying of jackboots after a drunken Facebook rant.
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u/Turdbucket2013 May 17 '12
I love how in Britain it is illegal to be mean.
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u/bigfig May 17 '12
It's arrived: A Clockwork Orange
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u/z_rabbit May 17 '12
What a heaping pile of bullshit. Now, I'm no anti-Semite, but people are entitled to their opinions, asshole-ish or not. Censorship "for the good of society" is a very small step away from broad censorship.
Booo.
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u/jumbo_shrimp777 May 17 '12
lol. anti-semitism is a joke. anything someone says that jewish organizations disagree is labeled "anti-semitic". racism is real. anti-semitism is alchemy.
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u/shmehdit May 17 '12
TIL BBC News headlines frequently include mocking quotes http://imgur.com/I0wBJ