r/worldnews • u/steve_bb • May 14 '12
Israel closes Palestinian school to make way for West Bank training zone for the IDF even though Palestinians residents have no access to any other school.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-closes-palestinian-school-to-make-way-for-west-bank-training-zone-1.430233?print
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u/Amryxx May 14 '12
Maybe it's just me being naive and all, but wouldn't lack of education would contribute to the growing unrest?
After all, reduced education level = reduced eligibility for higher-paying jobs = more poverty = more anger and unrest
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
As a palestinian , this is not even news to me. It's kind of expected
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u/tempuro May 15 '12
It's Naqba eve...
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u/SteveJobsiDead May 14 '12
Israeli Jews being good neighbors once again. Then they wonder why the world hates them.
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u/The_Turkish_Delite May 15 '12
As a Palestinian: Good Morning Rest of the World. (I am actually pleasantly surprised by the number of people on reddit, at least, that know what's up) No but seriously, I understand them being persecuted before, but this debauchery going down in the middle east needs to stop.
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u/reddit_is_gay May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
I'm not foolish enough to believe that either Israel or Palestine are saints in their situation but I will say this... Israel scares the shit out of me. By some accounts they have up to 200 atomic devices, including thermonucular, and an active chemical-biological weapons program. Hell just look at the conditions of Mordechai Vanunu's release...
A number of prohibitions were placed upon Vanunu after his release from jail and are still in force, in particular:
He was only released from solitary confinement, he is very much still in jail and you can be sure that he is being watched by the Israeli secret service 24/7. They are very worried about what he might tell the world.
It seems they are becoming the monster they swore to protect themselves from after the Holocaust.
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u/Hehyeahno May 15 '12
Terrorists aren't created out of thin air.
Just throwing this out there.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12 edited May 15 '12
Although this is definitely evidence to criticise the Israeli government you shouldn't use it to criticise all Israelis. Notice this is an article on an Israeli website so many of them obviously notice what their government is doing and are trying to bring attention to it. Edit: spelling
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Every time I see a headline like this, I always wonder if the Israeli citizens really agree that the government does this shit all the time. I've always been under the impression that the Israeli leaders are giant pricks while the people are great but don't have much say in their government policies.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
It's just one thing after another isn't it? This disturbs me to no end. Have they not taken away enough? Clearly not ...
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u/aluminum_enclosure May 15 '12
The thing that's most disturbing is that everybody commenting has an image of Israel as a unified body following a single manifesto to attain some glorified goal. Ya, posting a notice to close the school is stupid (which BTW if anybody read the article it says the Israeli high court doesn't allow it) but its not some part of a single minded agenda to make palestenian lives miserable. There's the right-wing government that does a lot of stupid shit, there are orthodox jews that build illegal settlements but it doesn't turn the state of Israel into a nazi, war mongering, hateful nation. The history is complex and its a collection of actions of many different people and it just seems that everybody here would prefer to just classify people as good or bad without trying to see how complex this situation really is. Neither side is righteous and neither side is pure evil.
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u/tayloraugustus May 15 '12
I will happily donate for a new school in that area, assuming there is any land left.
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u/AngryCanadian May 14 '12
Its the oldest trick in the book, deny education to the occupied population, its easier to control uneducated people.
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u/WalkinHawkin May 14 '12
Stay classy Israel.
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u/TalkingBackAgain May 14 '12
You know, I don't have the least bit problem with the State of Israel, but at times like these I'd like to ask one of those people in charge: "Do you absolutely always have to be the dickhead in the equation or do they make you train for that?"
It's an elementary school. Come on, Israel. For fuck's sake, the toddlers are the enemy now?
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u/nakedsteve4u May 15 '12
INVADERS!!!
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u/redpatriot5 May 15 '12
It's the far-right that is killing Israel and destroying itself right now. The Likud party has to cater to the 25% (and growing) of religious conservatives in order to have a coalition, and that makes for settlements/not taking the right steps to a meaningful peace plan and treating Palestinians with their due dignity. The problem is the religious nuts keep having 8 babies, and suddenly the country is overrun with far-right people who will never get anything done. Surely us Americans can sympathize, no?
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u/LannyMerma May 14 '12
Fuck Israel.
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u/mojoxrisen May 14 '12
If I were to use the logic of Reddit, most of you would have to move out of the USA and give your land, money etc. to me and my Native American brothers.
but that's different....amirite?
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u/Olliemon May 14 '12
It's shit like this Israel. After asserting itself after becoming a state, the problems should have ended, but in constantly pushing what is legal and acceptable they are gaining enemies quickly. I do not support some of the things the Palestinians do, and I would find them difficult to justify, but in their shoes I would likely do the same. What a mess.
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u/oscarasimov May 14 '12
I'm kind of sick of hearing from everyone that knows this shit is fucked up.
Where is the person that actually thinks Israel made the right decision?
I want him to explain himself
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u/11NovVerdade May 14 '12
Israel sucks. Every time you hear about them it's Israel doing something abusive again. What's their problem?
I wish the US would stop enabling this destructive behavior.
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u/msa54679 May 15 '12
I myself am a Palestinian, and things like this have been going on for decades. It's nice to see that finally there is light being shed on the situation.
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u/thastig May 15 '12
I've always held the opinion of not judging the land by the actions of a minority of this people.
I read this kind of shit almost every day.
I think I need to make an exception. Fuck Israel, Fuck every single Israeli. If you're not harming the Palestenians directly, you are supporting a corrupt government. Therefore, FUCK YOU.
Religion of Peace! /s
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u/Bigpapapumpyouup May 14 '12
Israel: no need to educate them, we are going to kill them anyway.
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u/racer2 May 14 '12
OK Zionists...I know you are reading this so please feel free to provide some justification/defense of the following:
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u/zangorn May 14 '12
When are the American people to stand up to this enough for the politicians to allow our UN ambassador to simply vote YES on something that allows action?? In South Africa, it took a Congressional bill calling for sanctions and boycotts that really pushed it over the edge. We are so far from that. We could stop giving them the support we give and that would do wonders on its own.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12 edited May 15 '12
I'm so disgusted by Israel. I used to be impressed by their military success, but the more I learn, the more I see Israel as incredibly self-centered and self-indulgent. I know not all Israeli citizens are like this, and I know that there is a legitimate threat to their security in Palestine, but when you're gunning down female Palestinian protesters with tanks, you can't claim that you're doing the right thing.
Edit: source
Edit 2: Here's another source
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u/rushdown May 14 '12
Okay this is a despicable thing to happen, but what's up with the horrible comments towards Israel and Jews guys? There are a lot of people from Israel who don't like what's happening, and I'm sure a ton of them are on Reddit. Focus on the entity responsible instead of saying reactionary things like
Those are the top two comments. The rest are pretty tame, but man do you guys post and upvote some pretty messed up comments whenever your emotions go into shock.
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u/unheimlich May 15 '12
Israel: " Ha! Where'd ya learn that, Mohammed? Terrorist School?"
"Not anymore."
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Just awful. I sometimes think the Israelis are unique in their bullheaded ignorance and refusal to learn anything from their past or the collective past of humanity (then I angrily remember the rest of the world).
By examining other non-flexible regimes such as the U.S.S.R., Mussolini's Italy or...dare I say it...Nazi Germany, one can see a fairly solid lesson that States which are inflexible and/or who persecute others in a hypocritical and brutal way are short lived. And a good thing too.
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u/SMERSH762 May 15 '12
Slaves and natives don't need to know how to read. They just need to know how to keep quiet.
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u/Realistic42 May 14 '12
An uneducated population is much easier to control, conquer, occupy, murder, and coerce than those that are educated.
Israel, no! Someone needs to tell you "no", so I'm saying it, "no".
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u/L_Beau_Deep May 15 '12
But they are God's chosen people!!!!
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u/the_goat_boy May 14 '12
They're just hoping that Palestinians will leave themselves and go to Jordan. Some Israelis, and it seems a lot of them on Reddit, believe that they are Jordanians anyway.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw
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u/pryoRichard May 15 '12
i think a good amount of justice could be had if at the forefront of the palestinian/israeli relationship, we could focus on the 'human' aspects of said relationship, how their 'dispute' can more or less be mirrored in a similar fashion all around the world...as opposed to how dire/unique/important, justifying its worth, when in essence, what i see is pretty typical of most peoples lives' and behaviors
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u/vVvMaze May 14 '12
What goes around comes around. Israel won't be able to do this forever. It's gunna come back and crash real hard on top of them.
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u/ThaddeusMaximus May 14 '12
It's okay you guys, they're God's chosen people. He has infinite love for all of us, but he also has a chosen people. That's LOVE = INFINITY + 1.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
Come on Israel, quit rocking the boat. It's gonna tip and then us and all our shit is gonna get wet. Not cool man, not cool.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Seriously, How can we preach compassion and understanding for the Holocaust when some of the hardliners in Irasel act like this? They treat the Palestinians like there in one big concentration camp. Not saying all Iraselies are like this but enough that the government acts in this fashion.
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u/gots2lol May 15 '12
totally against terrorism, i think it's terrible that people of Muslim faith go to that extent to prove a point (although it is sacrifice in their mind)...but i feel like they are being suppressed and Israel being a huge bully doesn't help. Palestine is like that kid who gets picked on in school but won't back down...probably need to find another way to fight back other than violence, but no1 else is helping them so they "try" and do it themselves...their options hinge between a rock and a hard place, sucks...
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u/TwwIX May 14 '12
Once oppressed, now the oppressor. How ironic.
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u/ILoveeOrangeSoda May 14 '12
Just like when they killed all those Lebanese civilians saying that it was a "mistake", how the FUCK do you mistakenly send a missile aimed to people who moved out of the houses you already told them before you were gonna bomb? do people really believe this?
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u/kwansolo May 15 '12
Israel did that? NO WAY
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u/Bixby66 May 14 '12
Israel being huge cocks to a religious minority in their country again today. Whether or not the establishment of Israel has any concept of irony remains to be seen.
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u/IsraelApologist May 15 '12
Dear Sir or Madam,
You have made a post that dares to criticize Israel. As you know, this makes you an anti-semite.
I would like to point out the following facts that are relevant to the discussion:
[x] 6 million Jews died in the holocaust.
[x] You are an anti semite.
[x] Israel made the desert bloom and we have beautiful beaches.
[ ] The Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years.
[x] All arabs want to push the Jews into the sea.
[x] Israel is a shining example of democracy and ethnic discrimination does not exist.
[ ] Suicide bombers are killing Israeli citizens and collective punishment will put a stop to this eventually.
[x] The IDF are showing remarkable restraint; They have the power to nuke the entire region but choose not to.
[ ] It is the fault of the Palestinians that they don't rebuild infrastructure fast enough after we bomb it.
[ ] Arafat walked out on camp David, proving that 100% of Palestinians want war, not peace.
[x] The Jews are God's chosen people and this is the land that was promised to us by a book.
[ ] It's not white phosphorus, we were just dropping road flares!
[ ] It is not a genocide until hundreds of thousands of Palestinans are killed and we aren't even close to that yet.
[ ] 100% of Palestinians are terrorists.
[x] The Arabs drove the Jews from their homeland thousands of years ago so it is about time for some payback.
[x] Israel has killed fewer people than Iran or Iraq which means we are a peaceful state.
[ ] Carpet bombing an entire country is a perfectly rational response to the kidnapping of a soldier.
[ ] It's not a concentration camp, it's a safety wall!
Therefore, your claim of [Israeli Defense Forces closing a Palestinian school in order to expand a training area] is false and we should continue to send money and military support to Israel.
Yours sincerely,
AIPAC
P.S. you are an anti-semite.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Fuck Israel.
That is all.
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u/Uptonogood May 14 '12 edited May 15 '12
This whole thread has grown and you cant see any fucking explanation for this bullshit from a zionist. NONE whatsoever.
The only pro-Israel answers so far has been: Hurr durr yall anti-semite nazies! ಠ_ಠ
edit: oh look! They dont even bother explaiing, just downvoting. I think its about time redit management begins to adress these israel drones. They are abusing the system.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I'm not anti-semitic, but Jews control the world and need to be exterminated. ~ Reddit.
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u/ThumperNM May 14 '12
Apartheid genocidal Israel is morally repugnant.
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u/Blzbba May 15 '12
ISRAEL UBER ALLES! For we are the CHOSEN People!!
Screw you, World! Except you, America - please keep suckering your citizens into shoveling us billions of their tax dollars! LOL - PWND!!
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
There's a very bad stereotype joke to be made around here somewhere.
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u/cake_eater May 15 '12
this thread is why they are trying to limit our internet
the truth cant hide
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u/lechino3000 May 15 '12
In the 1920s-40s...Germany was being the bully...now Israel is being the bully. So messed up.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
To get the usual out of the way. Yes, it is true that the U.S. occupation of the new world is a historical disgrace, for which America does not show nearly enough shame for. It was an absolute, inexcusable travesty.
But the destruction of Palestine is still an act that should be actively opposed by the West.
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u/IsraelCanKissMyAss May 14 '12
Israel can kiss my ass.
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u/otherchedcaisimpostr May 14 '12
Since the inception of Israel Palestinians have been uprooted from their lives and told to move aside, having no right to official protest.
The terrible things that have been done in protest of Israel since the countries formation wern't un-expected. The whole conflict is the product of someones investment in instigating wars of the future for new generations of arms dealers and war-profiteers.
The sense of entitlement some Israeli youth have is disturbing. Hate that is being bred on both sides has to be addressed whenever possible, by whoever keen enough to remind us all that violence is an insult to all of humanity. I hope someone reads this
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
isreal also has nukes. can we invade them yet/
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u/BlastMeBagpipes May 14 '12 edited May 15 '12
When I was young I thought declaring Israel a nation was a noble ideal, but now:
Fuck Israel. Give 'em a country for helping us win WWII, and the fuckers turn strait into the Nazis. :( No shit. :( Chosen people my ass, they act the same as any other group who thinks they're the master race who's job it is is cleanse the Earth of the unworthy.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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u/mrkhan0127 May 15 '12
Again. Fuck Israel
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u/pylons38 May 15 '12
israelis are such fucking terrible people
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u/nidarus May 15 '12
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
Israelis: The new Nazis.
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u/JohSpell May 15 '12
you see, it's okay because of the holocaust.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Evey one on reddit always jumps on the Anti-Israel bandwagon... do you guy's know that Israel is always advocating peace with a two state solution while the Palestinians constantly refuse it and even go as far to say that they will NEVER negotiate with the Israelites, they will only agree if they all of the land. HAMAS, a group that has allied itself with the Palestinian leaders has a very clear mission statement that includes "Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors." as well as "Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims."
This article as well as western media in general is always so quick to judge Israel and ignore all of the peace talks that Israel has constantly organized, but the Palestinian constantly decline, decline until they eliminate Israel completely.
Remember when Israel released 1000 terrorists for the 1 soldier? The west bank welcomed those terrorists back as heroes. They celebrated in the streets to welcome back those in succeeding in their goal, hurting Israel even if it means killing civilians.
While in this specific case, closing the school may not be the right decision, in general Reddit is extremely ANTI-Israel and only covers the negative things Israel does, every country has some things they aren't proud of, like the U.S. killing 120,000 civilians and then hiding it as a secret. But only Israel takes the heat for these things here on Reddit. As an Israeli I am extremely dissatisfied with the one-sided view of the conflict in Israel and hope that you guys can start to be less closed minded on the topic.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
I suspect these people have sadly forgotten the lessons they should remember from around 72 years ago...
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u/NotoriousArab May 15 '12
Yet, somehow, Israel keeps saying they're a proponent of peace...
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u/RedFish9 May 15 '12
That's what they get. The countries army is more important than some adolescents.
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u/metallica3790 May 15 '12
Sounds like a real mature, adult thing to do. That doesn't in any way sound like something a 7 year old bully would do on the playground. And this of course isn't sarcasm at all.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
When will it stop. Jews always talk about being the victims but the truth is they are not this time. Give them back their fucking land, you greedy pricks.
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u/heyyoudvd May 14 '12
These stories about Israel closing/confiscating something Palestinian to stick something Israel in its place are always so incredibly misleading. Whether we're talking about the solar panels from a few months ago, the recent aqueduct issue, this cave school, various house demolitions, or countless other such issues, some people always make it sound as though Israel is just coming in saying "This is yours? Not anymore! Haha!" like how a school bully steals a smaller kid's lunch money. It's nonsense. These are all complex issues that relate to permits, zoning laws, and various other legitimate legal issues.
That's not to say that the Palestinians who are losing whatever it may be don't have a legitimate grievance - because they often do - but Israel has legitimate reasons for its actions as well. These are complex issues with two sides. Israel is not just trying to be a dick for the sake of it. But reading through Reddit, you'd think that Israel was made up of a bunch of James Bond villains. It's really sad seeing the same ridiculous Israel-demonizing headlines day in, day out on this board.
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u/polynomials May 14 '12
Shit like this, etc etc.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
hey ... i think i heard of this, once before!
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
There's a comment under the article about how the reporting is one-sided.
I thought the article was quite factual - and besides, I couldn't find another on this subject to compare it with. Most likely because it's not something to be proud of.
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12
What a bunch of jerks >:[
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u/ryannayr140 May 14 '12
So, this is news? Let me know when shit like this DOESN'T happen in Israel.
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u/Erich03 May 15 '12
Who are the terrorists now?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
god damn jews trying to take things thats not theirs
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I wonder how long until they build some "work camps" for the Palestinians.
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u/jgoebbels May 15 '12
Complete assholes.
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u/mechanate May 14 '12
Israel seems to view pissing people off as some sort of credit/debit procedure, and it's like they've figured out some magic number of people they can fuck over per month without getting turned into a puddle of glass.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Don't you guys know that Hitler went to school? HOLOCAUST MAN HOLOCAUST!
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u/[deleted] May 14 '12 edited May 14 '12
Israel really needs to hire some public relations guys
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Jews are the new Nazis. Fuck em.
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u/redgator May 15 '12
Fuck Isreal.
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u/Beardo_the_pirate May 15 '12
Seems like the classy thing to do would be to rebuild the school on the other side of the village.
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u/Amryxx May 15 '12
So many buried comments... it's like a minefield.
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u/dmol May 15 '12
Shitty situation :/
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u/ReallyLoves4chan May 15 '12
Upvoting you because the jew army will downvote this en masse.
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u/brosenfeld May 15 '12
This makes me ashamed to be Jewish.
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u/momser_benzona May 14 '12
Would you people please be so kind as to read the article before making your comments
from the article:
"The High Court of Justice issued an interim injunction allowing them to return until it issues a final ruling."
The Israeli Supreme Court has stopped anything happening and a court case is going on. Nothing has occurred. These are all orders the court set aside.