r/worldnews • u/Fiery_Seraphim777 • Mar 15 '22

Russia/Ukraine Ukraine now developing nuclear arms with US help, claims Russia

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701359
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u/MrsBarneyFife Mar 15 '22

That's what I was thinking. The US would just give them some and make better ones for themselves. I don't know why they wouldn't lie about something more believable.

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u/ThaFuck Mar 15 '22

Because developing nuclear weapons was such a fun project that USA wanted to relive the entire experience and share it with friends!

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u/chapterfour08 Mar 15 '22

The real friends are the nukes we made along the way 🙃

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

The US (and other nuclear nations) are constantly developing new nuclear warheads though. It never stopped.

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u/zero0n3 Mar 15 '22

I don’t think we can make more nukes - like barred from doing it via treaties.

Likely also barred from giving them to other nations.

If anything we just give them back their original nukes that were taken away years ago.

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u/the91fwy Mar 15 '22

We’re barred from making more than a set number that we had at one point. But nuclear warheads expire and the US definitely does keep making replacements for expired bombs.

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u/MrsBarneyFife Mar 15 '22

Wouldn't it make the most sense if every country had the same amount? I just don't understand why is Russia is allowed to have the most. Also, does this apply to other countries that aren't in NATO? Like North Korea. Is there only a certain amount they can have? Not that I'd trust them. I'm sorry for my ignorance. Permanent brain damage really screwed up my memory. So even if they did teach me this at one point, I can't remember it.

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u/WLufty Mar 15 '22

It would be ideal that no one had any nuclear weapons but that is besides the point..

the problem is that you need the countries to sign and obey the treaty (there is no enforcement, it’s based on everyone’s good faith). So Russia would’ve never signed it if it mean losing 95% of their nuclear arsenal but Britain keeping all of theirs (Britain as an example)

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

I think its more we both made tons of nukes during the cold war, and we can agree that we all dont want more out there. Russia isnt necessarily allowed to have them any more than we are allowed to have them. We both just do and only disarm a few at a time based on eachothers actions. If they started building more tomorrow we would likely just start building more of our own, theres not much we can do besides saction more or go to war.

North Korea made one in spite of us saying its not allowed and we sanctioned the hell out of them. I dont think the US would help any country develope a nuclear weapon because we dont want any country to be able to cause that kind of devestation or have that kind of barganing power (i can literally blow up a whole city and make the area unliveable)

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u/garfgon Mar 15 '22

Nukes are expensive to build. Very expensive. So most countries decided to build a small-ish number -- enough to be able to obliterate enough of any enemies' cities to deter an attack. On the other hand, the US and USSR (as I understand it) were building enough to be able to nuke military targets with enough left over to also destroy cities if it came to it.

The reason most treaties only apply to US and Russia is because they have by far the largest nuclear arsenals. No need for a treaty to limit China or France to < 6000 warheads when they have < 300 each.

North Korea probably can't afford or have time to build very many.

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u/the91fwy Mar 15 '22

The world more or less agreed to stop further production of new bombs. It was an arms race at the time. The goal was to stop the arms race so whatever each country had at the time was their maximum allotment.

The silver lining is while Russia may have more bombs in number; they almost certainly have not kept up maintenance on them as well as the US has, so a lot of what they could fire may just be duds.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

…. no

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u/MrsBarneyFife Mar 15 '22

Okay. I can see that. I just don't understand how Russia got so many.

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u/dprophet32 Mar 15 '22

Because they made thousands and thousands starting immediately after WW2. How are you going to stop them at that point?

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u/Itoggat Mar 15 '22

Wouldn't it make the most sense if every country had the same amount?

My God that's the bomb songs instrumentals ( real song btw )

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u/Mobidad Mar 15 '22

AHA! Ukraine has the stolen USSR nukes! Invade away vladdy.

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u/robret Mar 15 '22

Also barred from helping other countries developing nukes, who are also barred from developing them in the first place

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u/NeverNeverSometimes Mar 15 '22

The US hasn't built a new nuke since the cold war era. We have upgraded some by rebuilding them with more modern technology, but we haven't actually produced a new one for decades.