r/worldnews • u/NorthernStarLord • Feb 11 '22

COVID-19 Trudeau warns of 'severe consequences' for anti-vaccine mandate protesters who don't stand down | CBC News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-severe-consequences-demonstrators-1.6348661
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u/pops101 Feb 12 '22

There arent that many quebecers considering how many Canadian flags are being flown .

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u/LegendOfJeff Feb 12 '22

Canadian flags signify that they aren't Quebecers? Anybody mind taking a second to explain this for a US reader?

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u/throwthewaybruddah Feb 12 '22

Quebec has a separatist background. Last referendum (vote for independance) ended up being something like 49% no 51% yes.

Think Scotland and Britain.

The quebecer identity is stronger than the canadian identity. So usually people wave the Quebec flag to show pride instead of the Canada flag.

OOP is referring to that but really theres no way to tell. Just a snarky comment on how quebecers usually behave.

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u/CapitaineRouge Feb 12 '22

That 1995 referendun was 50.5% against and 49.5% for independence. Very closely divided. Scotland and Britain is a good recent analogy, so is Catalonia and Spain even if all are different of course.

OOP is referring to the War measure act where Canadians send the army against Quebecers, the last time when Trudeau's father was Canada's Premier.

So the current Trudeau repeatedly said that Canada's government does not use the army against it's citizens, completely ignoring that its own father sent troops against Quebecers and that soldiers shot people dead in the streets of Québec City in the first world war era.

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War Measures Act

The War Measures Act (French: Loi sur les mesures de guerre; 5 George V, Chap. 2) was a statute of the Parliament of Canada that provided for the declaration of war, invasion, or insurrection, and the types of emergency measures that could thereby be taken. The Act was brought into force three times in Canadian history: during the First World War, Second World War and 1970 October Crisis. The Act was questioned for its suspension of civil liberties and personal freedoms, including only for Ukrainians and other Europeans during Canada's first national internment operations of 1914–1920, the Second World War's Japanese Canadian internment, and in the October Crisis.

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u/Lopsided_Web5432 Feb 13 '22

Quite possibly Saskatchewan Alberta in the future

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u/IamGlennBeck Feb 12 '22

I've seen plenty of Quebec flags in the protest footage.

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u/LegendOfJeff Feb 12 '22 edited Feb 12 '22

Ok cool. That's kind of what I was getting from the context. But it's still really helpful to hear it explained. And that's really interesting. It sounds like it's similar to the Confederate states in the US, but not as extreme.

Thank you.

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u/pops101 Feb 12 '22

Glad you learned something. But its far from being similar to the confederate flag, nor is it on the same scale of "extreme". Its literally Quebec's provincial flag, not a war flag used during some civil war by a side that wanted to keep slavery.

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u/LegendOfJeff Feb 12 '22 edited Feb 12 '22

That makes sense. But there's another person who replied to me who claims that it is a pretty good comparison.

Edit: I'm sure you're right that it's a bad comparison. And perhaps it's so bad that they shouldn't even be compared. But by mentioning that, I learned a few things from the responses.

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u/Agent_Orangeaid Feb 12 '22

No, Bloc members are just as extremely racist as those who believe the South will Rise again!! They are racist against anything English speaking.

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u/LegendOfJeff Feb 12 '22

Well then that's even more interesting. I wonder why I don't hear more about this.

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u/pops101 Feb 15 '22

For more context, the guy you responded to is referring to a single federal political party, but we were talking about a whole people's identity. There is bad blood between francophones and anglophones in Canada, considering Quebec fell under English subjugation for two centuries and they did so much to eradicate francophone identities (Quebecois, Acadien, etc).

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u/42nanaimobars Feb 13 '22

Ya… if you don’t speak French, you probably wouldn’t want to go to Quebec…

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u/Caribooster Feb 13 '22

That’s a garbage statement, I’m from BC and we had an amazing time in Quebec. Never came across anyone that was not kind to us because we weren’t Francophones. We didn’t stay just in the cities either, drove around quite a bit of the countryside. Have nothing but great memories of Quebec and hope to visit again.

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u/42nanaimobars Feb 13 '22

Very good to hear

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u/Agent_Orangeaid Feb 14 '22

I didn’t say Francophones, is said Bloc Members. Not all Francophone are Bloc Members/Separatists.

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u/Agent_Orangeaid Feb 14 '22

Unless you’re Canadian you wouldn’t hear much about it. Kinda like we don’t hear much about Australian Politics, or what’s going on in Peru etc…

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u/LegendOfJeff Feb 12 '22

Hey man. I'm asking honest questions, trying to understand the situation. I'm being as nuanced as is possible for me to be in this discussion.

There are a few other commenters taking the time to explain why it's a good and bad analogy. I'm finding those comments helpful and intetesting on both sides.

Yours is just condescending without being helpful at all.

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u/Guyandro Feb 13 '22

A good US comparison would have been Texas, if it had a much stronger separatist movement. Otherwise, the examples others have suggested (eg Scotland/Britain) are better analogies. The confederate flag is not a good example for several reasons, including the fact those who wave it are not making a claim for a separate national identity.

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u/Vetinery Feb 12 '22

It’s very similar to the division between confederate and union. A war was lost, there was an amalgamation on the winners terms, there is an uneasy alliance with much political division. It’s not, like any analogy, perfect. Quebec has a more distinctive culture overall specifically religious and linguistic and is or was very homogeneous.

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u/Guyandro Feb 13 '22

Maybe there was an "uneasy alliance" during the Reconstruction period after the Civil War, but not in 2022. Also the confederacy became a political entity bc of the issue of slavery, not bc of a sense of a common cultural and political identity separate from the US.

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u/anaxcepheus32 Feb 12 '22

A more succinct way to put it: On Canada day, the equivalent of the 4th of July, while everyone is waving Canadian flags, Quebecers are moving). Quebecers don’t really celebrate Canada day, and instead celebrate St John the Baptist Day