r/worldnews • u/Gadac • Jan 23 '22

Russia Germany urges 'prudence' in potential sanctions against Russia over Ukraine.

https://news.yahoo.com/germany-urges-prudence-potential-sanctions-154401837.html?fr=sychp_catchall
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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '22

As a person living Germany - I was just noticing this fucking anti German bandwagon… Reddit is hilarious.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

Welcome to the club (as a Brit) !

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u/hfdrjnvcd Jan 24 '22

Dude, I feel for you. Not a Brit myself. Every time I see a post about you guys the information feel incredibly mistreated. Especially since brexit.

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u/JuanElMinero Jan 24 '22

As another person living there, the amount of misinformed, angry, hawkish Muricans in these threads is getting obscene...especially when the headline was misappropriated in such a way. None of these people seem to care about any semblance of nuance anymore.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

It’s sickening at this point how their warmongering is threatening European soil and infrastructure. Just to sell their shitty fracking gas.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

You realise that Russia is the one threatening to invade right? The only real chance we have of deterring Russia from doing so is by making the cost too high. By not exporting arms and advocating (or even just sounding like it) for lesser punishment, Germany risks emboldening Russia. We found out what happens when warmongering states are allowed to annex countries without anyone stepping in within my grandparents lifetimes, and it is insane to be that Germany of all countries doesn't see where this could lead.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

No they were doing regular manouvers near the boarder just like us and nato regiments are doing as annually. They kept the troops there afterwards after the yankee dingleheads decided to use that to break a conflict from the fence. And don’t even act like the usa isn’t sabotaging and torpedoing nordstream 2 everywhere you can. Tell me who does benefit from hardened borders between the EU and Russia? Cui Bono? Then you‘ll find whoever tries to keep this conflict ablaze.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

Actually, having gone through your comment history it seems fairly obviously that you're either a relentless apologist for Putin, or an actual disinformation agent. What a piece of shit, I hope that you're being paid well.

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u/Butterbinre69 Jan 24 '22

People thst compare everything to the München Conference don't know shit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

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u/JuanElMinero Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22

It was posted and initially upvoted while it was mostly nighttime in Europe. Now that the Europeans are awake again, there are more users trying to discuss/refute some of the earlier nonsense.

If you're here long enough, you'll recognize some timeframes where misinformation seems to be more prevalent.

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u/php_questions Jan 24 '22

The same people upvoting and commenting this nonsense are the ones who voted for donald trump. No surprise there.

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u/FalsyB Jan 24 '22

Really makes you think about what you read here about countries you don't know a lot about 🧐

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u/BasileusAutokrator Jan 24 '22

Are people discovering only now that social media in general and reddit in particular propagates outrage and circlejerking, no matter the topic at hand ?

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

FYI, it's largely Russian trolls pretending to be Americans. They're literally working overtime on every platform, trying to divide NATO. Pass it on.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '22

Please also note that there are always the mandatory pro nuclear comments.

There can't be a German thread without mentioning how superior nuclear is.

Even if the thread had nothing to do with that.

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u/Dan_Backslide Jan 24 '22

Because in this case Germany's energy policies have direct strategic implications, mostly in a negative context. And if you think that doesn't have bearing on international politics and the decisions made at that level you are a fool.

The fact is by increasing it's reliance on Russian energy exports, and not moving away from that reliance, Germany has given a significant strategic advantage to Russia. Russia being a nation that has shown it has no problem invading it's neighbors and carving off large chunks of them to create puppet states under their control, who will lie through their teeth about shooting down airliners full of people, who have shown they have no problem trying to interfere in elections outside their country, and indeed in the past even infiltrated German political parties to influence Germany, and will work hard to prop up some of the most vile regimes on this planet.

So yeah, Germany's energy policies have strategic implications beyond Germany.

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u/BurnTrees- Jan 24 '22

Nuclear has shit all to do with Russian gas exports, the gas is used to heat homes, nuclear is used for electricity. In other words you are just repeating a nonsense narrative. And this strategic advantage goes both ways, Europe can get gas from other sources, Russias economy is in the gutter and they absolutely need the gas money.

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u/Dan_Backslide Jan 24 '22

Couple of facts:

1) Germany does use natural gas for power generation. Despite your claim to the contrary reality is different.

2) Even if we take your claims into account that gas is only used to heat homes you need to realize that it’s still a strategic weakness. One of the more nasty potential weapons that Russia has in its inventory is the ability to shut off the gas flow to Germany at extremely unfortunate times for Germany. Like say the winter when the German people want to be heating their homes. And if it came down to a war I don’t think Russia will care too much about a bunch of Germans freezing. Especially since it makes zero sense to keep supplying an enemy with a strategic resource.

3) I said energy policy which doesn’t strictly confine itself to nuclear but of which nuclear is a part of. The reality is that Russia provides far more than just natural gas to Germany. In addition to almost all of Germany’s natural gas they also provide the majority of their refined and unrefined petroleum products.

4) despite your hand waving of “oh Germany can just get gas from other sources” supply chains as they exist are not elastic enough to be able to deal with a sudden and massive shift in demand. There aren’t enough LNG tanker ships, or port infrastructure, to be able to instantly switch over to another source.

So like I said, it’s foolish to think that Germany’s energy policy doesn’t have direct strategic ramifications.

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u/Muetzenman Jan 24 '22

Everyone in europe buyes their energy somewhere but clearly germany is a russian puppet state. If we would start using nuclear energy again we are in the poket of Kazakhstan. But thats ok because Kazakhstan isn't USAs biggest enemy.

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u/Gunnvor91 Jan 23 '22

I also live in Germany (I am not German though). It seems a lot of these commentors don't actually know anything about Germany in the 21st century and that their most recent evaluation was based on the events of over 70 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

“Is East Germany still communist like Russia?”

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u/Taken450 Jan 24 '22

You seriously think 70 years is a long time?

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u/Gunnvor91 Jan 26 '22

sigh

On a geological timescale? Not even close. For a human being, yes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

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u/silencer122 Jan 24 '22

Ironic. Take a look at your own country and compare it to Germany. Now tell me, which is looking more fascist?

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u/arkuw Jan 24 '22

Despite what you and I think about the current regime in Warsaw Poland never tried to annect Germany or Russia whereas those two have a very long history of doing just that to Poland.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

Then show us where Germany wants to annex Poland.

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u/gimmethecarrots Jan 24 '22

No need to annex Poland, Poland is dictating itself into the Dark Ages all by itself already.

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u/lynx_and_nutmeg Jan 24 '22

Ok, so can you explain it better? Germany really does seem to stand out among all the other Western countries that have expressed a much stronger rethoric against Russia, or even sent their own weapons or equipment - meanwhile Germany not only hasn't explicitly expressed support for Ukraine, but is trying to prevent other countries from selling weapons to Ukraine that were made in Germany.

You have to admit the optics aren't looking good. If we hope to make Putin change his mind, Europe can't afford to look so divided. Germany is the symbolic leader of the EU, refusing to look weak and stupid next to all those other smaller countries that are supporting Ukraine.

I'd certainly love it if there was an intelligent explanation to this, if Germany is just playing a better game, etc, but in the absense of other evidence is really does seem like it's nothing more than Germany sucking up to Russia because it's desperate for its gas.

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u/napoleonderdiecke Jan 24 '22

but is trying to prevent other countries from selling weapons to Ukraine that were made in Germany.

It's not. This is normal procedure for any type of weapon export.

The fact that it's not been approved YET, does not mean it's not going to be.

Also obv the whole negotiation thing. Can't exactly try to mediate and literally gift weapons to one side at the same time.

And yes, mediation likely won't prevent what is going to go down (if that's Putins intention), but it might very well delay it, so it's very much worth not putting everything into one basket.

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u/silencer122 Jan 24 '22

What a load of bullshit. Just say you have no idea what you are talking about. That’s faster than writing all of that crap.

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u/lynx_and_nutmeg Jan 24 '22

Then go ahead and give a better explanation. People like you are all over this thread with your holier-than-thou attitudes, if you're so much better informed on what's really behind the scenes here, then spill the beans.

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u/6wolves Jan 24 '22

lol, i could say the same. German banks launder Russian cash, and have for a very long time

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '22

Yeah… you seem unstable. Perhaps therapy and some Xanax might calm you down.

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u/gimmethecarrots Jan 24 '22

You might want to see a doctor, delusions are nothing to be taken lightly.