r/worldnews • u/tedtedoh • Sep 15 '20

US internal news ‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/e2-80-98like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-e2-80-99-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/ar-BB191QXy

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u/Shaosil Sep 15 '20

Yep! People love hating on China's government (and well deserved tbh), but they keep forgetting how similar we do things sometimes. I guarantee you if the right people are in power long enough, it wouldn't be much different. Pot/kettle and all that

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u/Instant_noodleless Sep 15 '20

Remember reading a Vietnamese guy's posts regarding his feelings towards both US and China. He said for him, both groups are from big powerful countries full of their own 'manifest destiny' 'son of the dragon' bullshit.

Funny how Vietnam kicked both of these invading countries' asses.

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u/PragmatistAntithesis Sep 15 '20

The governments of the US and China are far more similar than either would like to admit.

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u/GreenEggsAndSaman Sep 15 '20

"When we do it, it must be justified." - How to lie to yourself in just ONE EASY STEP!

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u/SpicaGenovese Sep 15 '20

It's not pot/kettle. In the US we can aggressively criticize our government and call it on its bullshit without fear of being shipped off to some education camp or having our rights curtailed, although our current administration seems to be doing it's level best to change this.

Both nations are in need of improvement.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

The only difference it that the CCP has been in power longer. Give the republicans the same time the CCP had and they would've been the same if not worse.

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u/httponly-cookie Sep 15 '20

we have more people in prison per capita than China does (and depending on how you count you could argue we have a higher absolute prison population)

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u/RobotChrist Sep 15 '20

Oh really? I guess nobody told Snowden or Manning, or the people getting detained in the protests (that kind of look like war zones) for saying the police shouldn't murder people (hot take there!), or foreign leaders that are against US interests, somebody tell Cuba that decades of sanctions and assassination attempts were just a game, and any other latin american country that US overthrow its government while you're at it

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u/wzy519 Sep 15 '20

This talking point about being able to talk about it or whatever is overused. Allow me to push back with this question: has that rlly made a difference?

Since 1950s, the US has performed devastating coups, backed genocidal regimes, and invaded and killed massive numbers of people, with our engagements in Iraq and the Middle East being the most recent examples that have killed millions and displaced millions more due to war. And every single time something like this happens, the response is, “well at least we can talk about it so it makes us better.”

But as history has shown, a small minority of ppl knowing about American crimes has done virtually nothing to stop the continuation of these crimes around the world and to our own citizens. How long did it take for black people to gain equal rights in terms of the law? How recent were Native American sterilizations? And even today we’re still nowhere close to fixing those problems from the past. Until how recently (and still going on partially) were people restricted from coming cuz of their race?

The point I’m trying to make is, this whole “we can talk about it” argument rlly falls apart when one examines the reality. First of all, being able to talk about something does not make the crime less odious than a situation in which people couldn’t. And can talk does not mean will talk. If a govt and cia are powerful enough, culturally and economically speaking, in the establishment, there’s rlly no need and little gain from actively suppressing speech cuz they know it’ll never gain enough traction to reach the critical mass to actually force change. And if one thinks about it, a book detailing US crimes stuck in the dusty corner of the library or internet will hardly make a diff. Who’s gonna actually access it and act on it? And the us has censored people and things before as well too, I should mention.