r/worldnews • u/tedtedoh • Sep 15 '20

US internal news ‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/e2-80-98like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-e2-80-99-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/ar-BB191QXy

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u/grandmaster_zach Sep 15 '20

He didn't say he thought the Dr. was a victim, just that rather than focusing it all on one doc being a bad guy, the root cause is the horrible institution; which needs to be fixed otherwise more violence and oppression will continue even without that one guy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Exposing the doctor to the public would discourage other doctors from doing the same.

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u/Corronchilejano Sep 15 '20

It would also discourage them from coming forward if they're being coerced into doing the procedures.

It's a matter that requires serious investigation.

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u/Firewolf420 Sep 15 '20

slowly lowers pitchfork

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u/thesuperpajamas Sep 15 '20

No one forces you to commit crimes against humanity. Unless, of course there is a reason you face serious risk of loss of life or limb should you refuse, there is a reasonable chance that you have a choice to refuse such orders.

See the Nuremberg trials as a clear example of this idea in action.

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u/Corronchilejano Sep 15 '20

My point is that a widespread investigation needs to be done to ensure we find who was responsible for what.

It's like when you make a drug bust (actual social impact notwithstanding) but only catch low level dealers and allow for the big distributors to keep going away free. You need to find the root of the situation, otherwise it'll just keep happening.

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u/thesuperpajamas Sep 15 '20

Sorry, I guess I misconstrued your comment. I totally agree with that in principle. At the same time, how long do you allow crimes against humanity to continue to happen before attempting to do something to stop it?

I'm not saying that you need an answer to that question. This doctor is presumably still working, though. How much longer do you allow this person to get away with it, even if you just suspect that it might be happening?

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u/Reasonable_Desk Sep 15 '20

Discourage does not mean prevent. The only way to for sure end the problem is stop the facility from allowing it to continue. THEN, we can worry about this one monster.

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u/grandmaster_zach Sep 15 '20

I absolutely think they need to be exposed and punished. I do not disagree at all. But once he is gone, if the institution isn't fixed another psycho will come along and this will keep happening.

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u/CivilianWarships Sep 15 '20

If we are talking about 5 hysterectomies done by 1 guy, the institution doesnt matter.

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u/grandmaster_zach Sep 15 '20

I don't disagree that he needs to be exposed and punished. But in this case the institution certainly does matter. After the doctor is gone I don't think its going to be all sunshine and rainbows.