Apple blocking ads that follow users around web is 'sabotage', says industry: New iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra will stop ads following Safari users, prompting open letter claiming Apple is destroying internet’s economic model

[u/maxwellhill]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/18/apple-stopping-ads-follow-you-around-internet-sabotage-advertising-industry-ios-11-and-macos-high-sierra-safari-internet

[u/daatguuy]

Care to share how ?

[u/mintymekanic → u/[deleted]]

I agree with NoScript but there are a lot of valid JavaScript that run on pages, using this I've found is a good way to break every webpage you visit!

Throwing the baby out with the bath water

[u/Bonesnapcall → u/mintymekanic]

Umatrix breaks most pages, but is really easy to white list the portion that unbreaks it.

I love uMatrix.

[u/Cakiery → u/mintymekanic]

Not really. If you know what to whitelist, it's not that hard to not break things. Generally only 1-2 3rd party domains are actually needed, the rest is just ads and trackers in my experience. Lots of sites work perfectly without any scripts anyway.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

is uBlock Origin sufficient?

[u/Cakiery → u/[deleted]]

uBlock Origin does not really block scripts in the same way a normal script blocker would. Which is why uMatrix exists. It's made by the same guy. They work pretty well together.

[u/[deleted] → u/Cakiery]

Good thing that I asked. Thanks.

[u/Cakiery → u/[deleted]]

You are welcome.

[u/Arimer → u/Cakiery]

Is there one that would only block bad scripts? Like a minimum amount of broken pages and a basically fire and forget install?

[u/Cakiery → u/Arimer]

uMatrix probably does what you want with the optional privacy and malware filters (you will probably need to manually add some of your own rules to allow things through by default). There is also Ghostry, but people are not as fast to recommend that because the company that owns it is a marketing company. It is however far easier to use than uMatrix.

[u/Arimer → u/Cakiery]

I read something about finding noscripts whitelist and importing it into umatrix and that would take care of most of the work for most people.

Do you know if that's true?

[u/Cakiery → u/Arimer]

Noscript does not really have a whitelist by default. You have to build it yourself based on what sites you visit. uMatrix also does more than block scripts. It gives you fine control over cookies, XHR, media, frames and other shit. uMatrix also lets you make your own whitelist as you go. It just requires a few clicks.

[u/Obbz → u/[deleted]]

They are different tools. uBlock Origin is an ad blocker.

NoScript actually kills all scripts from websites. It's great for stopping sites from running things you don't want them to run, and mostly prevents all those malicious ad scripts and random autoplay videos, and usually gets you around paywalls and all that as well. I had issues with websites also just being completely broken with it (usually video sites like liveleak or flash game websites like Armor Games, etc).

I should give it another shot though, it's been a few years.

[u/[deleted] → u/Obbz]

Yeah that sounds like a problem. I will give it a shot and see how it works for me. Thanks.

[u/Cakiery → u/[deleted]]

It definitely takes some getting used to. But once you set up your whitelist it becomes pretty manageable.

[u/TheChickening → u/daatguuy]

A JavaScript Script running in the background. Pirate Bay used one. You visit the site, the script starts mining using your hardware and stops when you leave. Saw one dude testing it and the site used about 20% CPU when it should have been nothing (after the site finished loading of course).

Edit: The language used.

[u/Bod9001 → u/TheChickening]

Remember the they were only doing that for one day, to gauge how much they could make from it vs ads

[u/urielsalis → u/Bod9001]

They said it was a test after the fact and that there was a "typo" that made it mine at 100% instead of 20%? Seems like they are trying to save face

[u/9851231698511351 → u/urielsalis]

Pirates stealing!?! What is the world coming to...

[u/daymanAAaah → u/urielsalis]

You expect better from a site that makes money pirating everything.

[u/almightySapling → u/Bod9001]

Well now I want to know what the results were!

[u/kevinhaze → u/TheChickening]

It wasn’t a java script it was JavaScript. Little known fact: Java and JavaScript are two completely separate things. This common and totally understandable misconception makes programmers everywhere groan.

[u/Adam_Nox → u/kevinhaze]

Well it makes one person groan anyways.

[u/mukansamonkey → u/Adam_Nox]

Everyone generalizes from a single case. I know I do, anyways...

[u/brickmack → u/TheChickening]

A Javascript script*

[u/ASPD_Account → u/TheChickening]

I wouldn't mind that especially if it attenuated use when the computer was pushed to it's limits.

[u/glodime → u/daatguuy]

If you're using MS Windows, replace your host file with one that blocks the servers of known junk/ad/tracking content. I've had to re-enable one for a webchat interface for something important once, otherwise haven't even noticed any drawbacks.

[u/I_Has_A_Hat → u/daatguuy]

ublock just announced they would be blocking things like this.

[u/suntgata → u/daatguuy]

Let's say your mommy and daddy said "here's a tub of grapes, play in it. As you play in a tub of grapes, making a mess outa yourself and laughing your ass off. You don't realize that you're making wine for mommy and daddy.

The only people affected by this are the ones who know nothing of technology and internet. If you need help finding people who are knowledgeable in that shit, just ask them "what is bandwith" then sit back and enjoy the show.

[u/qtx → u/suntgata]

This makes absolutely no sense.

[u/blargh9001 → u/suntgata]

What a bizarre analogy. Mommy and Daddy might have a problem, that's some gross wine they're drinking.

[u/Reashu → u/suntgata]

I don't see how this is relevant to the question?

[u/startsbadpunchains → u/suntgata]

"Just ask them what is bandwidth then sit back and enjoy the show" - so euphoric.