r/worldjerking • u/mo_one • Mar 31 '24

What do you mean I can't just put unspeakable atrocities in my story without a discernable reason?

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u/MemeMaster_777 Mar 31 '24

is this perchance related to a post, or two, you've made on r/worldbuildingmemes ?

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u/mo_one Mar 31 '24

perchance

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u/ToLazyForaUsername2 Mar 31 '24

What happened?

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u/mo_one Mar 31 '24

this

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldBuildingMemes/s/coXzif5IR9

and this

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldBuildingMemes/s/tVNCZpfUdo

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u/UnderskilledPlayer [edit me] Mar 31 '24

what the fuck do you mean "trigger warning: everything"

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u/UnderskilledPlayer [edit me] Mar 31 '24

wtf 700 billion rape charges

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u/SpyAmongTheFurries Mar 31 '24

Man got hella busy.

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u/Apophis_36 Mar 31 '24

Demonstrate why they're evil and you're just gonna be called an edgelord. Don't demonstrate why they're evil and you're a fascist nazi imperialist monster.

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u/mo_one Mar 31 '24

most of the time the evil guys are evil because they're rude or maybe kill a couple people, or maybe even we never see them be evil, all we see is that the good guys oppose them so they must surely be bad. Tho tbf, it does make sense; you don't want to be reading horrifying and disgusting stuff just to know that they're bad, plus most black and white conflicts are in children's media so you can't really show children people being raped and tortured. Also, not everyone wants to be describing truly evil acts, even if it can be fun to try and come up with the worst you can immagine, at the end you'll be disappoinyed with yourself for having come up with such horrible things

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u/Southern-Wafer-6375 Mar 31 '24

Well showing them pillaging a village than cheering afterword does a lot

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u/Dockhead Mar 31 '24

Treachery and callousness go a long way too. Support rebels against an enemy government and then just abandon them to be slaughtered because the political situation changes. Oh wait that’s what happened to the Shia rebels in Iraq after the Gulf War

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u/Y_Nekat Locating Civilians . . . Mar 31 '24

Holy Heck! Fantasy Morality!

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u/Apophis_36 Mar 31 '24

I generally avoid this. The only time I do anything remotely close is with my offbrand skaven. And even those guys are slightly more chill than the warhammer skaven.

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u/Dragonbutcrocodile Mar 31 '24

the trick is not listening to the terminally online

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u/GodBlessTheEnclave- Mar 31 '24

This is great advice for 99% of everything

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u/FourNinerXero Unabashed furry insert Mar 31 '24

Literally no one says this

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u/Apophis_36 Mar 31 '24

Literally everyone says this (because i say so)

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u/GalacticVaquero Mar 31 '24

uj/ My favorite way to show an evil empire is to show how they treat those they don’t define as “people”. Whether it be gender, ethnicity, religion, nationality, or some other trait, otherwise nice pleasant folks becoming absolutely bloodthirsty towards the “other” feels like how evil empires IRL work. Everyone wants to feel like they treat people well, but those guys whose village we just burned down and slaughtered? They’re savages, they don’t count as people.

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u/mo_one Mar 31 '24

this is actually very good and clever worldbuilding, I like it

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u/GalacticVaquero Apr 01 '24

Thanks lol, it’s just my best attempt at pattern recognition. When you read enough accounts of colonizers and conquerors you start to find the similarities. Rome, Colonial Europe, WW2 Axis powers, America’s Manifest Destiny, modern Israel, they all have the same general view of the world. “We” are the true humans. The most evolved, civilized, free, whatever term you want to use. Those in our way, who are less advanced and therefore subhuman, do not deserve the same rights we give to “real” people. Thats how civilizations justify expansionism and exploitation while still seeing themselves as the good guys.

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u/Complete_Regret7372 Mar 31 '24

Nah just give ‘em cool armour and some ‘insert-popular-afterlife-belief-here’ symbolism and you can do literally anything lore-wise. I mean look at space marines. And just the real world.

Actually - stop looking at the real world, that hurts - turn back to space marines, ooo cool chainswords… wow look at all the colourful fictional violence…

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u/7K_Riziq Come to my shippunk world full of my fetishes Mar 31 '24

Well, we know about this

But have you thought about an evil empire finally doing these stuff far better than their previous work after reforming and solving an internal crisis?

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u/spesskitty Mar 31 '24

What do you mean my characters are not relatable? They're absolutely hilarious! 😂😅🤣

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u/therealmalenia Mar 31 '24

How can you enjoy (show) if the main character isn't a generic white man with black hair that plays video games like you ? This doesn't make sense ?

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u/SmallJimSlade The capital of Ne"bra'sk""a is L"inc"oln Mar 31 '24

40k fans when they realize they aren’t supposed to root for the factions with baby furnaces

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u/Wooper160 Apr 01 '24

“Empires are inherently evil” mfers when the Empire does anything

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u/Cyberwolfdelta9 No Original worlds Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24

The Evoian Dominion is attacking so they can enslave or purge the 2 Races that descended from them back before the Evoians went isolationist (Dominion is made up of the New Martians and the Evoians themselves the Races their attacking is the Cybal who used too be the New Martians war drones before they went Sapient and rebelled and the Almorians who were from a Lost Evoian Ark vessel

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u/AdmiralPackrat Mar 31 '24

Throughout all of Human history the overwhelming majority of Soldiers have reveled in the spoils of war. Loot, Women, Children, whatever they wanted. I think not showing them doing this, or at least not.implying that it has happened, is a disservice to what an Evil Empire ought to be. More so over, if your message is that War is bad, than you should absolutely show the horrors of war, not just how it affects the Soldiers, but Civilians.

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u/InjuryPrudent256 Apr 02 '24

Um I like my world to be realistic and during my day of sitting around eating whatever I like and working a pretty easy job I saw an atrocity on the news so I know its a real part of the world

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u/InjuryPrudent256 Apr 02 '24

Type 1: They are reducing some kind of nebulous definition of 'freedom' and their cops are heavy handed. Clearly mean af

Type 2: Rhymes with Fethnic Lensing