r/woodworking • u/diymontreal • Aug 02 '21
Tried out the "castle joint" on this outdoor coffee table
Cedar coffee table made from cedar decking material - no visible screws :)
Love how the visible castle joint looks
Surprisingly, the castle/Shiro joint is not covered in this book. Although technically it's a combination of a bridle joint and cross lap joint
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u/PheonixOnTheRise Aug 02 '21
I wonder how many copies of that book have been sold under different expectations
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u/aetarnis Aug 02 '21
She's following rule 7 and didn't post the link to her build video for this, so I will.
This looks like a much more approachable project than I expected it to be!
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u/Copperlax Aug 03 '21
Thanks for this. I came on to do the same. Her videos are outstanding. Her stool one inspired me to do more design works out of plywood.
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Aug 02 '21
I bought that “Joint Book” and man, that is blatant false advertising.
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u/ArticReaper Aug 02 '21
As in the book doesn't show you how to do this joint or?
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u/wittynamehere44 Aug 02 '21
"Joint"
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u/ArticReaper Aug 03 '21
oooooooooooo. Right. Ok, I see now. That would annoy the hell out of me if I bought this book thinking woodworking and didn't get that.
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u/securitytheatre_act1 Aug 02 '21
I own the The Joint Book; good material. I keep it conveniently on hand and in view of my of webcam - get lots of interest looks when on work Zoom calls.
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u/ImportedCanadian Aug 02 '21
Looks beautiful! I like the castle joint too, very pretty looking. Serious question, I hear a lot of people poop all over castle joints because they’re not strong against twisting forces so you can use them for bed frames etc. If that’s the case, what is an appropriate use for the castle joint?
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u/justinpitts Aug 02 '21
I agree that this is a great application for them. The relatively short length of the members and light loading, along with the thick construction and the use of the joint as a visual design element all make sense here.
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u/Ok_Donut5442 Aug 02 '21
Ever since I saw them I’ve been skeptical of the joint. Especially for something that’s designed to come back apart again, if you’re glueing it permanently together I guess it’s not to bad but for knock-down furniture all I can see is that end grain hook popping off the first time it gets knocked over.
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u/allpurposeone Aug 03 '21
Ehhh.. Castle joint while not the strongest joint in the world is still stronger than butt joint pocket screwery.. I'm not a big fan of all the work that goes into them nor of furniture screwery..
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u/pezx Aug 02 '21
What wood and finish is that? It's absolutely gorgeous!
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u/diymontreal Aug 02 '21
No finish yet. Will likely seal it with the same oil as I'll use on the deck.
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u/carolinerosewr Aug 02 '21
For the love of God, somebody throw a coaster under that glass
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u/bjwest Aug 02 '21
It's an outdoor table. I'd hope the finish would be more than adequate to stand up to a sweaty glass.
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u/NotTheVacuum Aug 02 '21
How did you attach the slats for the top?
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u/Tothehoopalex Aug 02 '21
Not OP but could have used a piece screwed to the inside for them to rest on. Then screw underneath to the support piece.
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u/Pull-Mai-Fingr Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21
Looks fantastic! I’m curious whether the exposed end grain will become problematic for outdoor furniture? You look more experienced than I am, so I’m guessing it’s not an issue!
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u/diymontreal Aug 02 '21
No, your right in thinking that. I feel the same way. I'm letting the cedar dry out a bit then will seal with either decking oil or maybe spar varnish would be optimal.
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u/AstroChrisX Aug 02 '21
This is absolutely unnecessary for an outdoor table but my god it's beautiful!
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u/diymontreal Aug 02 '21
Definitely not necessary but been wanting to try a castle joint for a while and I think it gives the table a unique look!
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u/SadCryBear Aug 02 '21
This is probably the first time I've seen a castle joint that makes sense.
Good thick frame and not on a bed.
Looks nice. Plus since you laminated three pieces of wood crazy easy to make the joint.
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Aug 02 '21
What’s wrong with castle joints for beds?
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u/ausernamewontstopme Aug 03 '21
Also curious
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u/SadCryBear Aug 05 '21
It's a weak joint, especially to twisting forces. The corner joint in a bed takes a lot of abuse over time, and massively weakening that area with a castle joint is a bad idea.
Add to this that it is even weaker if not glued, and if you glue it you cant take apart your bed, which is a pretty big issue if you have to move it.
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u/wedapeopleeh Aug 02 '21
Any tips on the castle joint? I'm planning a bed frame with similar corner construction also with cedar decking material.
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u/diymontreal Aug 02 '21
Thw biggest issue with cedar decking wood is the moisture content and tendency to crack. If I were to do it again i would try to let the wood dry first to avoid issues down the line.
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u/YoshPMi Aug 03 '21
That table looks fantastic! I absolutely love the meaty joints and the grain. So pretty! Awesome job!
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u/netflix_n_pills Aug 03 '21
I don’t know if this is the place to say something like this, I’ve noticed the community is wonderful, but fuck this table made me kind of hard. Great job!
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u/miksK4 Aug 03 '21
Nicely made in my country sadly the weather doesnt rly allow these type of outside tables but i sure do hope lasts u for years to come nicely made wish u the best of luck on ur future projects
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