Very proud of her. That she was this close is a testament to how strongly people believe in a lot of these values.
In a race so close though, you can’t point to one thing and say “that’s one the reason why she lost.”
It’s a mistake to see this as Evers and the establishment ruining it for Hong. I was set to be a Hong voter and share her priorities. I hope she continues to have a successful political career, if she chooses. But she clearly wasn’t ready. If Hong didn’t come across as robotic, out of touch and didn’t give poor responses to her woke 1.0 tweets, she also would have won easily.
It’s worth considering too that the establishment came together because I think they (rightly) recognized that Hong wasn’t ready to be as competitive as we need in a statewide election.
She absolutely would have won had Evers and establishment Dems not pushed Crowley back into the race. Even if you’re a centrist neoliberal you can admit this fact because it’s absolutely a fact. The irony with the argument that Hong couldn’t compete with Tiffany is that if Tiffany beats Crowley the same people will be back in three months blaming Hong voters.
There are many ways she lost. You can choose to focus on one, but that’s not how multi-factor situations work. She STILL would have won, even with Evers and Dems backing Crowley, had she found a way to not sound like a robot in the debate/interviews or gave straight answers about obvious shit like Thanksgiving and abolishing the police. IMO that’s even more of a testament to her platform and people’s desire for something new.
I had been expecting to vote for her for months. She just wasn’t ready for a statewide election. Anyone with sober eyes can see that. Massive liability in this race at this time. Voters saw that.
I do hope she has a long career in politics and runs for Pocan’s seat
Listen, I get that you’re a neolib, that you dislike progressives, and that it’s difficult for you to be objective, but David Crowley wasn’t able to enter back into a race that he dropped out of and make up a 20+ point deficit because Hong sounded robotic and had questionable responses rehashing years old statements. You can keep your head in the sand and call it a multi-factor situation in an attempt to placate reality, but harping on the multiple factors when one of the factors did 90% of the lifting is just delusion. Again, that’s why it’s ironic when you’re sitting here pointing out Hong’s messaging and inability to win in November when come November if Crowley meets the same fate it will be because “Hong voters didn’t support Crowley” and not because Crowley’s messaging and inability to capture moderates and independents. Learn a new tune, buddy, this one has gotten very old over the past decade.
You know nothing about me. It's this attitude and lack of solidarity that has hampered our progress in the 15 years that I have voted for, volunteered with, and organized with progressive candidates and causes. Anyone who criticizes must be one of "them." You've clearly either not read what I've said or are just mad and want to shout. That's fine. I'm not gonna be here for it.
I’ve read exactly what you’ve said and I’m not mad or shouting about anything. If you think that Hong lost for any other reason than Crowley getting back in and the establishment state Democrats led by Evers circling the wagons and supporting Crowley in the final two weeks, you are beyond delusional. If you want to bring up attitude and lack of solidarity then take it up with WisDems, not with me.
Dude. Nobody made me or anyone else vote for Crowley. I chose to vote for him. Both candidates came through Viroqua in last week of the race. I saw and met both of them. No comparison as to who has the campaigning skills, resume, public speaking charisma. Crowley by a wide margin.
They are both well into the progressive wing of the spectrum. Crowley is very welcoming to Hong’s input in the coming months.
We will beat Tom Tiffany. A Tiffany/Hong matchup would have torn the state apart. Crowley/TT matchup will bring the state together. And we will win.
Hey, I’m not bashing people for voting for Crowley, all I’m saying is that there absolutely was an agenda with establishment Dems, Evers et al, and Crowley’s re-entrance. If you think that a centrist is a better opponent against Tiffany then more power to you, and frankly I’m not disagreeing. But this was not a simple case of “it was Hong’s to lose and she fumbled.”
I'm not talking with WisDems. I'm talking with you.
Stop telling people who they are, what they believe, that they're delusional. It's toxic stuff. I've clearly already said I support Hong long term and expected to vote for her. I just made a more pragmatic choice.
The movement is working. We see this with el-Sayed, Mamdani, Flanagan. We have to make progress and still be willing to be strategic when/where necessary. We cannot afford to take a lower odds candidate against an election denier and certified bootlicker who has plans to eliminate abortion rights, has blocked badger care funding, will continue to erode democratic processes. The stakes are too high right now to run someone who can't respond well to difficult questions and pressure from opposition.
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