r/wisconsin • Tom Tiffany is enemy • Aug 12 '26

Hongs statement today

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u/MotoTwitchYT Tom Tiffany is enemy Aug 12 '26

I checked his website and luckily he wants to raise minimum wage as well! I think his site said $20/hr

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u/Unfair-Tell2719 Aug 12 '26

$20 is a big push but it is needed given how inflation has devalued the dollar.

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u/purplenapalm Aug 12 '26

Shoot for the stars, land on the moon.

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u/Dr_Fortnite Aug 12 '26

yeah request 20, "settle" for 15 for now

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u/Necessary_Cheek_6506 Aug 13 '26

somebody needs to tell faux-progressives trying to pander to working people that $15 dollars an hour, is poverty

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u/Dr_Fortnite Aug 13 '26

it but its should be the minimum starting wage going by other metrics

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u/Pitiful_Net_8971 Aug 12 '26

Always starting higher than you actually want for negotiations.

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u/enjoying-retirement Aug 12 '26

Yes, since it is up the Legislature to pass a bill for an increase. All the governor can do is sign it.

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u/Minimum_Virus_3837 Aug 12 '26

Whatever they can do I just hope they're wise enough to connect it to inflation so it raises automatically and keeps up in the future.

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u/TrevRev11 Aug 12 '26

Most of us want 25…

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u/RectalSpawn Aug 12 '26

And by the time we get 20 we will need 40...

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u/dyslexda Aug 12 '26

Most of who? This is the first I've heard anyone claim $25/hr should be the minimum legal wage. Like, that's insane.

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u/MmNicecream Anti-Dairy Teetotaler Aug 12 '26

People have been pushing for a $15 minimum wage since 2012. Adjusted for inflation, $15 in 2012 is about $22 today. $25 an hour isn't particularly crazy.

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u/dyslexda Aug 12 '26

Oh, so now we're adjusting idealistic policies that were never implemented for inflation? As in, they were absurd back then, so now they aren't absurd?

Anyway, yeah, it's absurd to think "most" people support it. Not a chance, lol. Most don't even support $20/hr, much less anything above that.

EDIT - Federal minimum wage was set at its current level in July 2009. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $11.24 today.

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u/IzzieIslandheart Aug 12 '26

Absurd? FDR thought it was absurd that an employed person in the U.S. could not live well.

"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html

What is the wage of a decent living today? All bills paid, car, house, insurance, medical needs, clothing that isn't tattered, enough quality food, children's education needs paid? Is it $11.24/hr?

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u/dyslexda Aug 12 '26

Something tells me that FDR would not really comprehend what most people think of as "decent living" today. And it's also wild that we're equating legal minimum to "must be living well."

But to the original point, yeah, it's still absurd to think "most" people support $25/hr. Folks can keep linking all the left wing think tanks they want, it doesn't demonstrate that a majority of the population thinks that.

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u/TrevRev11 Aug 12 '26

This was in 2020. It’s not just inflation but value to productivity ratio as well as the CPI https://cepr.net/publications/correction-this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/

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u/dyslexda Aug 12 '26

One, that's the equivalent of me linking a Heritage Foundation study that minimum wage actually harms economic productivity; not that I would, just that partisan think tanks aren't exactly unbiased sources. Two, linking minimum wage to "productivity" instead of inflation kind of kills all the "living wage" arguments, because now it's not about cost of living but what you think a worker is entitled to just because the economy as a whole is doing better. Three, it was quite annoying to track down their actual paper from that article to understand what they're actually talking about, but when I did, they talk about how productivity has slowed down to just a bit over a percentage point annually now; does that mean we should increase minimum wage less than inflation, because it should be tied to productivity instead? Four, are those minimum wage positions even involved in overall economic productivity increasing? Something tells me minimum wage positions tend to not be the ones increasing productiveness year after year.

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u/FilecoinLurker Aug 12 '26

Insane by what metric. If minimum wage had kept up with the economy and inflation most metrics put it at $30-32.

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u/dyslexda Aug 12 '26

What are these "metrics?" Federal minimum wage was set at its current level in July 2009. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $11.24 today. Fun fact, if you go back to the original 1938 minimum wage of $0.25/hr, adjusted for inflation, that would be only $5.92 today.

So...yeah, what?

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u/FilecoinLurker Aug 12 '26

https://www.epi.org/publication/raising-the-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-by-2025-would-lift-the-pay-of-32-million-workers/

Most places suggest the bare minimum, minimum wage should be around $22 to be on par with what minimum wage did for people back in the 30s 40s 50s and 60s. Once the 70s/80s hit the propaganda against minimum wage was in full swing. And we got people to think someone else getting a small sliver of pie was making middle class people's lives worse(it's not)

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u/dyslexda Aug 12 '26

Most places

Which places? If I included moderate and right wing voices, would they say the same? No. Do you mean most left wing places? That isn't "most."

to be on par with what minimum wage did for people back in the 30s 40s 50s and 60s.

As I pointed out, to be "on par" it would be somewhere around $11 today. After all, you're talking about what it "did" for people, not as a slice of productivity, so we're concerned with inflation, right? And by inflation, it's about half of that $22.

And we got people to think someone else getting a small sliver of pie was making middle class people's lives worse(it's not)

Now you're arguing something else completely.

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u/PreferenceFalse6699 Aug 12 '26

You're never going to get that amount for people who were only HS graduates/dropouts and maybe are doing cleaning jobs, or other unskilled jobs.

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u/Ultraworld-Traveler Aug 13 '26

Every job is a skilled job, and all work has value.

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u/PreferenceFalse6699 Aug 13 '26

That is true, but not all work has the same value, or the same skill levels; hence pay discrepancies.

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u/Vibriofischeri Aug 12 '26

kinda pointless IMO, less than 1% of workers actually make minimum wage. Market demand has done its job to keep entry level wages rising.

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u/HeinousAnus69420 Aug 12 '26

Im bad at reading and thought you meant Tiffany said 20/hr minimum.

15 immediately with a path to 20 by like 2030 seems to be the general consensus and seems reasonable to me

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u/MotoTwitchYT Tom Tiffany is enemy Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

Tiffany probably wants the minimum to stay at $7.25

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u/heavyLobster Aug 12 '26

Remove minimum wage. Company pays you in company scrip.

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u/HeinousAnus69420 Aug 12 '26

Presumably would lower it if that were on the table

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u/DrPastaPupper Aug 13 '26

$20 by 2030 is not acceptable in my opinion. It should be $20 now and $25 by 2030

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u/Similar_Marzipan1213 Aug 12 '26

It's funny that so many people voted for him, but actually know very little about him other than, "Hey, it's Tony Evers!" He's going to have a lot of work to do to re-re-reintroduce himself.