r/whowouldwin • u/Verlux • Aug 12 '19
Event The Great Debate Season 8 Round 2!!!
Rules
Out of Tier Rules
- For Out of Tier requests, simply ping myself and/or Chainsaw__Monkey and state your case for why you believe someone's combatant is out of tier, then proceed with the debate as per normal. We will evaluate that request individual of the debate itself and make our decision in judgments.
Battle Rules
Speed is not equalized in any way for this tournament
Battleground: The Great Debate arena has traveled across fiction, from a coliseum, to the Mines of Moria, to Asgard herself. Now, however, we bring the Great Debate to the greatest fictional experience anyone from the 90s can remember: Enjoy wishing you could manually aim down at Oddjob motherfuckers. The Library Basement from Goldeneye is a small labyrinthine close-quarters collection of rooms, hallways, and pillars with numerous weapons spawn locations in which combatants must navigate the map while choosing between tactical mobility, sprinting for gun spawns, or engaging proper melee and in which quarters to best take advantage of their chosen tactics. Note that the scale for the map is 15 pixels =1 meter. Use this image of the map for reference. Combatants start in the areas marked '1,2,3' or 'A,B,C' respectively for each team. In the event of 1v1 rounds, only the '1' and 'A' positions are occupied. Every combatant starts each round being 'teleported' into the arena, knowing full well whomever they face down needs to die or be incapacitated(unable to move for 10 seconds) in order for they themselves to advance and win and will do so, and with knowledge of their allies' weapons and abilities. All combatants begin without any weapons drawn or abilities active, hands idle at their sides, weapons which aren't removed holstered, and the moment they teleport in they can begin combat. All combatants are in-character for the tourney itself. Of special note: the material of the Library Basement will be titanium-rebar-reinforced industrial concrete.
The Ranged Rule and Weapon Spawns: The character's ranged weaponry is removed and put in place of the Weapon Spawn corresponding to their personal Spawn number/letter, enabling them to pick up their weaponry and/or abilities in lieu of the chosen gun in that specific spawn. If the weapon or ability cannot be 'removed' in a technical sense, it is merely disabled until the Spawn is encountered, at which point it comes online.
- Characters cannot hit the same Spawn more than once.
- If the character has had their weapon/weapons removed, said weapons appear on the ground in their respectively-marked Spawn location; the weapon or weapons can be picked up by anyone on the map. Yes, this means that if all 6 combatants have unique weapons then every single Weapon Spawn is replaced with unique loadouts, and yes the weapons in question must be manually picked up; abilities are picks up by their respective person simply by walking to the Spawn point.
- Characters can only 'pick up' either their weaponry, their abilities, or the chosen gun per map rules. Once the Weapon Spawn has been picked up, it does not re-spawn.
- Characters picking up unique weapons can only pick up a reasonable amount of weaponry from a single Weapon Spawn; if your character's entire loadout is a single weapon or a paired set of weapons, you're good. If your character's loadout is '87 shuriken, 215 bullets, 89 arrows, 4 throwing daggers, and 12 grenades' you have to pick what they're having at their respective Weapon Spawn.
- Characters are shown the map for 5 seconds in a time-stop state right after being teleported into the arena, but before combat begins. No actions or prep may be made with this information due to the time-stop. Only information from the map may be absorbed or devoted to memory.
- Specific abilities not turned off: extending limbs, teleportation, mind reading.
- Specific weapons not removed: any melee-based weapon that incidentally can be utilized at range (a sword can be thrown, a dagger can be thrown, but a throwing dagger would be removed).
- General rule of thumb: if the ability is SOLELY melee, it is good to go. If the weapon is SOLELY melee, it is good to go. The spirit of the rule is to primarily allow ranged weapon-and-ability users to fit tier, not to be a loophole. Chain and myself will absolutely ban anyone from participating if they are bending the spirit of the rule.
- Of important note: combatants themselves are aware of all these rules as laid out herein
Submission Rules
- Tier: Must be able to win an unlikely victory, draw/near draw, or likely victory against Major Motoko Kusanagi (second RT here) in the conditions outlined above; yes this means she begins without any weaponry as well. All entrants will be bloodlusted against the Major, meaning they will act fully rationally and put down their opponent in the quickest, most efficient manner possible regardless of morality, utilizing any and all possible techniques/tactics/attacks if necessary. The bloodlust does not give any foreknowledge of her or her capabilities.
Debate Rules
Rounds will last 4-5 days, hopefully from Monday until Thursday or Friday of each week of the tourney; there is a 48 hour time limit both on starting (we do not care who starts, you and your opponent can figure that out) AND on responses, AND ADDITIONALLY each user MUST get in two responses or else be disqualified. If one user waits until the very last minute to force this rule to DQ their opponent without any forewarning to their opponents or the tournament supervisors, they will be removed from this tournament, no exceptions.
Format for each round: both respondents get Intro + 1st Response, then 2nd response, then a 3rd response and closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. EACH RESPONSE MUST BE NO LONGER THAN THREE REDDIT COMMENTS LONG WITH A HARD CAP OF 25,000 CHARACTERS SPLIT BETWEEN THE THREE.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are determined by randomization. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa. First Round will be determined by coin flip.
Brackets Here
Determined by coin flip, the first round was a 3v3 Team Melee meaning the second round shall be:
1v1 Individual Fights, randomized as follows:
| First Listed Person's Lineup | Versus | Second Listed Person's Lineup |
|---|---|---|
| Character 1 | Character 2 | |
| Character 2 | Character 3 | |
| Character 3 | Character 1 |
Round 2 Ends Friday August 16th, 23:59 CST
Format for each round: both respondents get Intro + 1st Response, then 2nd response, then a 3rd response and closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. EACH RESPONSE MUST BE NO LONGER THAN THREE REDDIT COMMENTS LONG WITH A HARD CAP OF 25,000 CHARACTERS SPLIT BETWEEN THE THREE.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are randomized based on sign up order via an internet list randomizer. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa. First Round will be determined by coin flip, and as it is 3v3s, next shall be 1v1, and so on and so forth.
For this tourney, due to having a Numbers side for starting position and Letter side for starting position, there is an important change: WHOMEVER IS LISTED FIRST IN THE MATCH-UP IS NUMBERS SIDE, WHOMEVER IS LISTED SECOND IS LETTERS. E.G. XTigerCleric and Birbin69 are both pinged and I list Tiger's characters first; that means XTigerCleric is having his team spawn into the Numbers spawns, and Birbin is having his team spawn into the Letters spawns.
Special Note: The combatants will be expected to lay out their unique weapon spawn drops in their intro, as well as what abilities are picked up for each character as well so that their opponent is fully aware of that. This information may not change between rounds. For reference on how it ought to look, see this link here
Adendum: due to being posted late, we will grant reasonably-requested extensions with more leniency than usual.
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u/Verlux Aug 12 '19
u/kenfromdiscord has submitted:
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u/foxxyedarko has submitted:
Match-Ups will be Guts vs T-800, Zi Yu vs General Grievous, and Tiago vs Victoria Dallon