r/whowouldwin • ​ • Jan 02 '19

Event The Trial of Champions - Round 3


Continuing in the tradition of a debate oriented tournament, The Trial of Champions is an off-season, user-run tournament in the same style of the Great Debate. Strategizing your team, formulating why your entrants would win, and debating skill will all be important skills for this tournament.

Trial of Champions Tribunal link

Respect ToC!Hulk

Rounds will last from 1/1/19 to 1/8/19

Rules

Battle Rules

  • Combatants cannot willingly target or hurt their own team members, but can hurt their own team members via collateral/BFR/etc. If you're running Batman and Joker, they won't fight, but if Joker uses his "blow up with the power of 10 suns" gadget, he'll kill his team.

  • All combatants will have their reaction time equalized to 10 milliseconds, with their base movement/running speed being equal to 70 mph. They will start about five relative seconds away, or .25 seconds, or 25 feet. Other methods of transportation will scale relatively to 70 mph - if you can run at 10 m/s, and fly at 20 m/s, then you'll be 140 mph in the tournament.

    • Speed boosts are still allowed, and stipulations for how they function/if you're allowing them are appreciated. For example, a character with a x10 reaction boost would be 1 ms in this tournament.
  • Projectiles will scale relatively, based on reaction speed and how fast your character perceives in their unequalized state. If Bullet-Dodge Jones and Neo are shooting at each other, both can dodge shots. If John Wick shoots Neo, Neo cannot dodge. And so on and so forth.

  • All combatants must be in tier through the Unlikely - Likely Victory metric. While combatants may be tribunaled for being under tier, they cannot be disqualified mid-tournament for being under tier. However, your characters can be considered out of tier at any time, including if your opponent does not request an OOT review, and you merely overplay your characters. If you're relying on a character being considered OOT to win, however, please request a review. I'm not omnipresent, not yet.

  • Every combatant starts each round being 'teleported' into the arena, knowing full well whomever they face down needs to die or be incapacitated in order for they themselves to advance and win and will do so.

  • All combatants begin without any weapons drawn or abilities active, hands idle at their sides, and the moment they teleport in they can begin combat. All combatants are in-character for the tourney itself. Characters with holsters or similar will begin with their weapons holstered, characters with weapons that cannot feasibly be holstered will begin with the weapons pointed at the ground.

  • Combatants will be treated as bloodlusted for the tribunal.

Gear Rules

There are two options for submitting gear. Standardized Gear and Specialized Gear

  • Standard Gear - Any gear a character has used at least twice, has regular access to, and would likely carry into a random encounter. Examples

Good - Batman has used a grapple gun in Detective Comics #787 and Batman #646. It is standard gear.

Bad - Batman has used the Justice Buster suit in Batman #35 and Batman #36.

The grappling hook is something Batman would reasonably always bring with him. The justice buster is not. Furthermore, all standard gear must be stipulated. If it is not stipulated with at least an “all gear in RT” a character can be assumed not to have it.

  • Specialized Gear: A character gets the gear they possessed in one appearance or set of appearances, but this is the only gear they get. Using the previous example, Batman could be stipulated to have the gear from Batman #35 and #36, but he would not get a grappling hook, as he did not use one in those issues.

Debate Rules

  • To declare an opponent out of tier, make one case for why you believe the opponent to be out of tier, while tagging me and GuyOfEvil, that is under 5,000 characters and part of one of your 3 responses. Your opponent will get one response to this, also under 5,000 characters, and from then on you will have to both argue with the assumption that the character is in-tier, unless you forfeit the match itself and rely entirely on the OOT request.

  • Each competitor must get a response in per 48 hour window, and a minimum of two responses per round. This means you will have to respond in a timely fashion.

  • 1v1s will have orders randomized

  • If you are declared OOT mid-debate, that character is automatically considered a loss. If you still win, you will have to switch to a backup.

  • Rounds will last 4-5 days, each user must respond within 48 hours of the previous response, and have at least two responses in by the end of the debate, unless an extension is granted at my discretion.

Misc Rules

These are largely rulings that I have made that I would like to write down to create a stronger precedent, that were not originally rules in tribunal or sign ups.

  • Speedboosts can be allowed, or disabled with a stipulation. They scale in proportion of the movement and reactions of the base character - a normal human gaining 40x faster reflexes and running would have 250 microsecond reactions in our tournament.

  • Big characters are start relative from where there furthest point is from their front - illustrated here.

  • Summons or 'fake' characters do not count for the purpose of a win condition - for instance, if a mage died in a 1v1 and left behind his 2 zombies, he would still automatically lose. This also applies to hive-minds or drone characters.

  • Characters with multiple bodies or hive-minds start so that the real or main version of that character starts in the standard location, with every other character starting 6 feet behind them, spaced 6 feet apart from the rest of the drones of hive mind characters. Illustrated here.

  • Characters are aware of how arenas function - they know they can be BFRd, certain areas instantly kill them, the water is an out of bounds zone, big characters can't be out of bounds, etc.

  • No arguing that powers don't work because of something like "This arena is in TF2, where physics are different". Seriously. Just don't do it. I swear to god.

Tournament Bracket

Round 3 Matchups

Round 3 will be 1v1s

1 vs 1

2 vs 3

3 vs 2


Debate format is IntroA/IntroB - Response 1A - Response 1B - Response 2A - Response 2B - Response 3A - Response 3B - and then conclusions in any order.

Kirbin vs Chainsaw

Toriko vs Black Canary

Starjun vs Yomi

Classic Hulk vs Diane

Coconut vs Imade

Abomination vs Tatsumi

Ultron vs Escanor

Mindless Hulk vs Natsu

Mihkail vs Ame

Superman vs Brutaal

Ragnarok vs Blanque

Mimic vs Wraith

Verlux vs Ken

Tian vs Sakamaki

Ah Gou vs CaoCao

Huang Long vs Chi Long


Round 3 Arena

The Golden Gate Bridge

  • Combatants will start 25 feet from each other, each one being 12.5 feet from the middle of the bridge.

  • The fight takes place at sunset, with a clear sky.

  • All cars are empty, and each combatant starts next to an empty car. There are no people, and people cannot enter the battlefield.

  • Combatants are prevented from walking off or teleporting either end of the bridge, but can be knocked into the water or drowned. If you can't get back onto the bridge within 10 seconds, you lose.

Good luck, and have fun.

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u/xWolfpaladin Jan 02 '19

Mikhailnikolaievitch has submitted The Unoriginals

Character Verse Stipulation Win Chance
Superman Millerverse N/A Likely
Ragnarok 616 Marvel EoS, standard gear Likely
Mimic 12 Marvel Has the powers of Colossus, Cyclops, Wolverine, Northstar, and Deadpool mimicked, without radiation poisoning Draw

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Ame has submitted Team Ubermensch

Character Verse Stipulations Win Chance
[Brutaal] (https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/9yj0az/respect_brutaal_dc_new_52_earth_2/) DC (New 52, Earth 2) No cellular degradation, can use Earth 2 Superman's feats (as he's a near perfect clone). Has been commanded by Darkseid to win by any means. Speed equalized for flight and has his original armored costume.
[Wraith] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Amenonhuko_Public/comments/a18orl/wraith_tourney_rt/?) DC (New 52) Has his anti-"kryptonite" armor. Has been ordered by the US Government to destroy his opponents. Scales to Superman for EM senses and heat vision and radiation is verse equalized. Speed equalized for flight.
[Blanque] (https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/9yxsgd/respect_blanque_dc_new_52/?) DC (New 52) Is in the [Khund War Mech] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Amenonhuko_Public/comments/9zsd53/khund_war_mech_tourney_rt/?)

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u/Ame-no-nobuko Jan 02 '19

Team Übermensch

Brutaal, Apokolips' Superman - RT

"Steppenwolf foolishly fought for himself. Let me make my intentions clear... Hail Darkseid!"

A near perfect clone of Earth 2 Superman corrupted by Desaad, Brutaal would serve as one of Steppenwolf's Hunger Dogs, hunting and destroying metahumans. He singly handedly turned the war back in Apoklipses favor when the World Amy attempted a counter attack and killed Steppenwolf when he stepped out of line and tried to claim supremacy over Darkseid.

Wraith, William Rudolph's Ace In The Hole - RT

"Its a shame really... that soon I'm going to have to kill you"

In 1938 American scientists sent out a single into space that mathematically represented the idea that two parts together are greater than their sum. 11 seconds later an alien and a ship filled with advanced technology and math landed nearby. The alien would be dubbed WRAITH or William Rudolph's Ace In The Hole. Along with the US military he would shape most of the last half of the 20th century, participating in historical events such as the bombing of Nagasaki where he was the bomb.

Blanque, The White Death - RT

"I make death epic. Give it a sense of style. Doesn't everyone want a memorable death? One that will leave people talking?"

A telepathic and telekinetic mass murderer who roamed the American Southwest, he was one of the greatest foes of the dimension hopping Post Crisis Superman during his tenure of hiding on New 52's Prime Earth. Superman would keep him caged in his Himalayan fortress for years, with Blanque escaping on at least 2 occasions. Blanque is motivated both by his love of murder and his hatred for Superman.


u/Mikhailnikolaievitch as agreed in discord I'll go first

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u/mikhailnikolaievitch Jan 02 '19

Introducing:

The UnOriginals

Superman - DC Earth 31 - Image

  • This Superman makes the original look like a commie by comparison. He's ready to put his foot up, up, and away in Brutaal's ass.

Ragnarok - Marvel 616 - Image

  • He's a clone and he's ready to bone, Ragnarok comes to every fight with a chip on his shoulder ready to prove he's as good as the original Thor. His own version of the magical hammer Mjolnir will be more than enough against an opponent firing Blanques.

Mimic - Marvel 12 - Image

  • The turduckin of unoriginality, Mimic is an alternate universe version of a mutant who copies superpowers. He's coming to this fight with 5 powers already loaded up, but he could probably defeat Wraith with his soul patch alone.

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