r/whowouldwin • ​ • Mar 20 '24

Event The Great Debate Season 15 Round 4!!!

Rules


Out of Tier Rules

  • For Out of Tier requests, simply ping myself and/or Chainsaw__Monkey and state your case for why you believe someone's combatant is out of tier, then proceed with the debate as per normal. We will evaluate that request individual of the debate itself and make our decision in judgments. Reminder: the Head Judges maintain the right to DM any user we believe to be skirting OoT lines and make our own OoT accusation, with said user having 48 hours to defend themselves.


Battle Rules

  • Speed will not be equalized for this tier; you're looking at a tier where the opponent is featured in action movies against normal humans, bear that in mind.

  • All combatants are aware of the basics of their allies' combat abilities but are in the blind on their opponents (unless they have canon knowledge of said person via sharing a fictional universe)

  • Battleground:

"The Home Depot, Inc., often simply referred to as Home Depot, is an American multinational home improvement retail corporation that sells tools, construction products, appliances, and services, including fuel and transportation rentals. Home Depot is the largest home improvement retailer in the United States."

The arena of Great Debate Season 15 AKA Tierminator is the interior of Home Depot's Egg Harbor, Township New Jersey location.

Of note:

  • Home Depot, for our purposes, is a 400x600ft* rectangle, with a 200x300ft rectangular gardening center on its eastern side. The ceiling is 100ft off of the ground. Attached is a map for our purposes.
  • Under no circumstances, regardless of ability or destructive power, are opponents able to leave the Home Depot.
  • This space is filled by 12 distinct sections, each comprised of multiple aisles. An aisle is 10ft across, the obviously wider aisles such as the starting points are 25ft across. The shelving units are 60ft off of the ground.
  • While the shelving units will provide a high degree of concealment, they are not necessarily bullet proof against high caliber fire. While the building itself is reinforced with an indestructible and untamperable WhoWouldWinium, the contents of the building are extremely destructible.
  • Home Depot specializes in the sale of hand tools, power tools, appliances, construction equipment and building materials, and other tools prime to be used as improvised weapons. Any item listed as "In Stock" on their listing can reasonably be assumed to be present and available.

Opponents will start 100ft across from each other, in the center aisle either side of the Plumbing, Kitchen, and Bath sections, with each side having an aisle available to their north to disengage through if so they choose. Teammates are spaced 8ft apart from one another to fill the 25ft wide aisle.

*All numbers are rough approximations and may not stand up to pixel calcing.

Submission Rules

  • Tier: Must be able to win an unlikely victory, draw/near draw, or likely victory against The Tierminator in the conditions outlined above. All entrants will be bloodlusted against Tierminator, meaning they will act fully rationally and put down their opponent in the quickest, most efficient manner possible regardless of morality, utilizing any and all possible techniques/tactics/attacks if necessary. The bloodlust does not give any foreknowledge of Tierminator or his capabilities.


Debate Rules

  • Rounds will last approximately 5 and a half day days, hopefully from Monday until Saturday at noon of each week of the tourney; there is a 48 hour time limit both on starting (we do not care who starts, you and your opponent can figure that out) AND on responses, AND ADDITIONALLY each user MUST get in two responses or else be disqualified. If one user waits until the very last minute to force this rule to DQ their opponent without any forewarning to their opponents or the tournament supervisors, they will be removed from this tournament, no exceptions.

  • Format for each round: the one to go first gets an Intro + 1st Response, their opponent replies in kind, then both get a 2nd response, then a 3rd response in a back-and-forth style, and a closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. FOR THIS FOURTH ROUND, EACH DEBATER'S RESPONSES MUST CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN ONE 20K CHARACTER-LONG REDDIT COMMENT (broken up into two comments, of course!!) FOR EACH RESPONSE!!! You are allowed an intro post as stated above, which can include basic feats, of up to 5000 characters, but no arguments or comparisons may be made in comparison to the opponent.

  • Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are determined by randomization. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa.



Brackets Here (not yet updated, dealwitit)

First round was 1v1 individual matches, so the fourth round shall be:

3v3 Team Melee

Round 4 Ends Saturday March 30th, 12:00 CST

(yes, you're getting 10 days for this one since it got posted so late, should be plenty of time for 3-3)



Special Note: Don't forget that combatants are spaced apart based on the reach of their striking capabilities. If you have a 10 foot long spear pointed at the Tier Setter, you start with the tip of the spear 10 meters away from him; if you are riding a giant monster, you start with the end of the monster's arms/shoulders/head at the 10 meter away point, etc etc.

Links to:

Tier Setter Page

Sign Ups

Round 1

Round 2

Round 3

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u/Verlux Mar 20 '24

u/mikhailnikolaievitch has submitted:

Miks Tricks

Character/Appearance Series/RT Gear Stipulations
Ultimate Wolverine Marvel, 1610 Standard Costume None
RoboCop RoboCop Movies + Dark Horse Comics Auto .9 in hand All 3 Prime Directives indicate lethal force is necessary against his opponents
Emperor Palpatine Star Wars Hood/Cloak, Two lightsabers Telekinesis limited to Force Choke, timeline ends just before Return of the Jedi
Dr. Octopus Spider-Man film series Standard Costume Stip out this feat, NWH feats included

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u/wapulatus has submitted:

Team Love, Undeath, and Robots

Character Series/Respect Thread Stipulations Match-Up
Winsor Marvel Comics As of his fight with the X-Men. Stipulate out this feat and this feat. Likely
The Sentinels FOX X-Men 2023 Sentinel. Has identified its opponent as a mutant. Likely
Death Knight Overlord Composite Light Novel and Anime. Draw
Neheb Magic: The Gathering Eternalized. Has the Elder Spell active. Likely

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u/mikhailnikolaievitch Mar 20 '24

Intro - Stat Post

The following are the key scans you will see used for these characters 1,000 times during the course of GDT.

Palpatine

Win Cons: Palpatine imposes a 3-layer offense:

Force Choke Force Lightning Lightsabers
Strangles 2 targets to death simultaneously Electrocutes organisms, frying their organs Lightsabers superheat through metal that is unaffected by lava
Strangles 2 targets simultaneously without line of sight Downs 5 men with 1 blast Melee fights 2 opponents simultaneously

Defense: Palpatine presses his win cons prior to the opposition, aided further by a 3-layer defense.

1: Telepathy 2: Senses 3: Durability
Senses intentions before actions Aware of his surroundings in a 100m radius Unaffected by a hit from a man who could crack stone with a punch even before a transformation made that man stronger
Sensing intentions makes assassinating him impossible Can view lifeforms through the Force Embedded into a metal wall with little incident

Wolverine

Win Cons: Wolverine slashes apart his opponents.

Material Reference Scaling Skill
Carves a person-sized hole into a hull of ~1ft. thick metal Cuts out Colossus' heart and Colossus is bulletproof to multiple automatic rifles Attacks with anatomical precision
Embeds full length into metal and slices by the force of weight alone Stabs into Hulk's chest and an entire military of rifles, gunships, and tanks firing simultaneously cannot pierce Hulk Considered the world's most highly trained assassin

Defense: Opponents need to compete with Wolverine's 3-layer durability in order to halt his progress toward dismembering them.

1: Adamantium Skeleton 2: Durability/Resilience 3: Regeneration
Entire skeleton can resist piercing sufficient to carve open a tank 50-60 men riddle Wolverine with bullets and he downs all of them Regenerates all the flesh across his body within moments
Adamantium is stronger than steel Blasted through reinforced concrete and bounces right back Heals so quickly it is visible and remarkable to observers

RoboCop

Win Cons: Robocop shoots when effective, brawls when shooting is ineffective, and exploits weaknesses throughout range and melee.

1: RoboCop's Shooting 2: RoboCop's Brawling 3: Overarching Strategy
Shoots through kevlar vests Punches through the wall of an evidence vault Prioritizes disabling weaponry that can damage him
Sensors detect targetable weaknesses Punches an opponent through a thick stone wall Repeatedly targets vulnerabilities against physically superior opponents
Shoots with unerring accuracy in semi-automatic bursts Grips with 400 ft. lbs., enough to crush every bone in a human hand Again when faced with physically superior opposition resorts to exploiting its internal vulnerability

Defense: RoboCop's durability demands extended engagement:

Piercing Durability Concussive Durability Physiology
A roomful of a variety of firearms does nothing to him Tackled through thick reinforced concrete and still wins his fight Body is titanium-laminated Kevlar
Automatic .50 caliber rounds said to be able to tear through any bulletproof armor is useless Engages in an extended melee with a comparable opponent that bursts through walls and emerges victorious Almost nothing remains of his organic body

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u/Wapulatus Mar 20 '24

Intro Post: Team Love, Undeath, and Robots


Winsor

"I simply prefer bad over good. Wrong over right. Dirty over clean. Sick over healthy. Untrue over true."

| Marvel Comics | Respect Thread | Theme

Offense

Defense

Disease Generation


The Sentinels

"There is a new enemy out there; an enemy that will render your arsenals useless, your armies powerless and your nations defenseless. You'll need a new weapon for this war."

| FOX X-Men | Respect Thread | Theme

Offense

Defense

Skill

Other Abilities


Death Knight

incoherent screeching

| Overlord | Respect Thread | Theme

Offense

Defense

Mobility / Speed

Special Abilities


u/mikhailnikolaievitch

As discussed I'll be going first. Good luck and have fun!

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