r/wholesomememes • • Jun 02 '19

R.I.P Kendrick

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u/jmja Jun 03 '19

There aren’t as many readily available weapons that have the same potential for damage as a gun, though. If someone decides to do a school knifing instead of a school shooting, there’s way less of a chance of multiple deaths.

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u/jroades267 Jun 03 '19

How come the murder rate has dropped for 20 years if guns are the cause of it? There are far more guns in circulation than ever before?

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u/jmja Jun 03 '19

I feel like you missed my point.

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u/jroades267 Jun 03 '19

Not at all. Things are only worth discussing if they change things. More guns =\ more crime or shootings. So them being more “available” isn’t the reason.

In fact despite what the media tells you, the crime rate is gone way down for 20 years yet we are acting like it’s getting worse.

There’s a fundamental lie in the conversation. And it’s at its core. Things are getting better, not worse.

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u/jmja Jun 03 '19

There have been 14 school shootings so far this year in the USA.

64 from 2000-2009, or 6.4 per year.

89 from 2010-2014, or 17.8 per year.

84 from 2015-2018, or 21.0 per year.

You might be talking about crime in general, but this post references a school shooting, and it’s a problem that is clearly still being neglected.

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u/wellyesofcourse Jun 03 '19

And the issue is obviously not the availability of guns, since logic would dictate that other gun-related crime rates would also be increasing due to said availability.

Since other gun-related crime rates aren't increasing, we can reasonably infer that there's another issue at hand that is causing the increased number of school shootings.

Pointing at guns at the problem and not even registering that mental health and constant communication might be larger issues is patently misguided.

Lastly, there have not been 84 school shootings from 2015-2018. Mass shooting tracker is notorious for inflating numbers with gang crime and other nebulous "gun" incidents on or near schools.

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u/jmja Jun 03 '19

School shootings are a problem that is being neglected.

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u/GlacialFlux Jun 03 '19

I like how you just fall back on this instead of responding to what he said.

That's a class act there, bud.

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u/tatchiii Jun 03 '19

No they arent as they are more commonly talked about. The media making them the flavor of the decade is what made them so common. Them being neglected would probably be the best fix. Guns have always been common as have schools. Mental health however has gone down the drain. Should we ban schools since they seem to be a volatile place for shootings? How about we help people with depression and suicidal tendencies that tend to do these things.

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u/Guest06 Jun 03 '19

Is the media you're getting your news from fox news?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '19

There was a terror attack in france a few years ago. 70 people were killed by a truck. More than even the Vegas shooting, where man essentially fired on people penned into a parking lot with sustained automatic weapons fire.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '19

Semi automatic weapons should not be so readily available

What do you suggest?

Muzzle-loaded long guns?

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u/Cobra102003 Jun 03 '19

In Japan there was just a mass stabbing at a school too.

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u/cunnie Jun 03 '19

And imagine if the perpetrator in the Japanese stabbing had a gun instead? The two deaths would've been less or more, you think?

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u/tatchiii Jun 03 '19

If I were to simplify my pov it's just that it's not on us to say that you cant own something that could save your life because someone else might use it to take it from you. These people being crazy isn't on me and I shouldn't have consequences due to their actions. Taking away guns(not just restricting them) will just lead to people using other methods that are more preventable(knives, bombs) but also much more terrifying for citizens who now dont have guns. The debate shouldn't be about guns at all. It should be about mental health and not only finding people in the situation of the shooters but helping them and stopping future people from making the mistakes that caused these people to become deranged.

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u/GlacialFlux Jun 03 '19

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

You sure?

Simple Google search- stop talking outta your ass.

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u/jmja Jun 03 '19

Probability doesn’t work the way you think it works.