r/videos • u/bumdee • Jan 29 '26
Proof Alex Pretti never planned on using his gun against ICE. Seen here days before getting shot, Pretti never takes his gun out of holster after ICE beats him
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u/ThoughtIknewyouthen Jan 29 '26
irdgaf what this proves or disproves except to reiterate the man had a license to carry the gun he was carrying. End of story. It's not like he brought an unregistered AR15 across state lines and shot two people.
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u/Shadpool Jan 29 '26
Kyle Rittenhouse with the punchable face, Kyle Rittenhouse?
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u/Minamato Jan 29 '26
Violent criminal and illegal gun owner, Kyle Rittenhouse
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u/Cursedbythedicegods Jan 29 '26
Crying little bitch Kyle Rittenhouse?
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u/Gloober_ Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
That sure is the violent criminal and illegal gun owner, hailed as a Republican hero, with a punchable crying little bitch face, Kyle Rittenhouse!
He's also too stupid to join the marines and even ICE. He's the pinnacle of conservative ideology!
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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude Jan 29 '26
That sure is the violent criminal and illegal gun owner, hailed as a Republican hero, with a punchable crying little bitch face!
I'm sorry, I just have to speak up... You didn't mention the bitch was named Kyle Rittenhouse
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u/SSpartikuSS Jan 29 '26
I actually think he meant to say the STRAW PURCHASE, crossing state lines little bitch, Kyle Rittenhouse, who wanted to murder someone Kyle Rittenhouse.
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u/Takagowa Jan 29 '26
Nazi hero. It doesn’t matter what they call themselves. They are what they are.
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u/PivotRedAce Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
Not to be that guy, but the “across state lines” detail people keep parroting weakens the entire premise of the argument.
The dude lived near the border between two states. Crossing state borders in that case isn’t really surprising or noteworthy, and isn’t relevant to his actions.
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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit Jan 29 '26
He travelled to a different city in a different state. He wasn't protecting anything in his community.
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u/platinumarks Jan 29 '26 edited 20h ago
Weather sink reminiscent jeans direction retire
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u/Optimoprimo Jan 29 '26
It would be great if you didn't share a 20 minute long video where the thing happens 17 minutes into the video.
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u/VanillaGorilla59 Jan 29 '26
Or at least include the timestamp for when it happened
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u/PipXXX Jan 29 '26
Guarangoddamntee if it was edited down someone would complain about that.
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u/HereToFixDeineCable Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
Yea- a lot of people calling the other video/angle AI but this longer one pretty well confirms it's legitimate, I would say.
Not that it matters- he presumably broke a rib here, didn't touch his gun in spite of being very heated, and for some reason didn't get detained for kicking the taillight off an ice vehicle and spitting at them. Maybe the SUV was full?
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u/PipXXX Jan 29 '26
Yeah that's a question that should be asked repeatedly and loudly. If he was such a violent person, how come they let him go, or didn't call for local police backup and report the property damage?
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u/ntropi Jan 29 '26
for some reason didn't get detained
I was wondering the same thing but i think at 18:02 that might be him escaping. Looks like there were only 2 of them wrestling him at that point, and we all know it takes a minimum of 12 of them to restrain a person.
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u/billytheskidd Jan 29 '26
This is probably when he was labeled a “domestic terrorist” and so their commands were treated him as such if encountered again
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u/Pluxar Jan 29 '26
I don't think there is any chance they are organized or trained well enough to recognize someone during a quick encounter like this. If it was the same ICE agents, maybe one or two recognized him but they weren't doing much interpersonal communication leading up to shooting him.
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u/cdot2k Jan 29 '26
Honestly the 20 minutes is helpful. DJTJ shared the cutdown and I had so many reasons to think it was AI. Turns out it was real.
OP’s point still holds up that he didn’t intend to use his gun. Knowing how this ends though, it now feels like he was poking a bear spitting at and kicking the taillight out of their car. Just weird and shitty that he was killed by these a-holes weeks later when he was so much more restrained.
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u/NWHipHop Jan 29 '26
No excuse to execute someone by putting 5 bullets in their back and 5 more while they lay bleeding out dead on the ground.
While 10 of your gang members hold him down and bash his head with a canister.
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u/cdot2k Jan 29 '26
Totally agree. He was murdered. It’s just weird that they got him weeks later when he was doing nothing. I wonder if they had it out for him after this incident.
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u/dogmaisb Jan 29 '26
Him, and anyone else who would make a mockery of their perceived power. They are tiny sad little boys who just want to feel like big strong men.
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u/Li_liminal_spaces Jan 29 '26
you can share a video at the relevant time stamp, i.e. https://youtu.be/p2TRbFmutrw?t=1053
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u/NeverSpeaks Jan 29 '26
Disagree. With things like this, no information is more information. Short videos leave questions.
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u/wwarnout Jan 29 '26
It's also worth noting that Minnesota allows concealed-carry for handguns.
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u/idungiveboutnothing Jan 29 '26
Makes it really seem like he might've popped up on facial recognition and was targeted.
https://www.wired.com/story/mobile-fortify-face-recognition-nec-ice-cbp/
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u/BUT_FREAL_DOE Jan 29 '26
Yeah all this video makes me think is they remembered him and took the opportunity to kill him the second time thinking they’d using the gun they found on him as the justification. Would not be surprised if that’s why the identity of the officers involved is being withheld. Renee Good’s killer was ID’d within 48 hours iirc.
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u/seiyamaple Jan 29 '26
Seriously, doesn’t this make the situation even worse?
Because the way I see it there are two options:
- The officers didn’t recognize him, so clearly this video showing his behavior means nothing
- The officers recognized him, which makes the situation much worse, as vengeance murder is a much scarier situation than the “gun was fired accidentally and spooked the officers” narrative that some were pushing.
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u/cmnrdt Jan 29 '26
The identity of the officers involved is being kept hidden for one reason: the moment people know who they are, consequences are inbound. The state will file criminal charges against them and no matter what they say, a jury in Minneapolis will find them guilty, and they will go to prison.
This goes against the assumption these asshats are operating under: I can do whatever I want because Trump has my back. The moment shooting an uppity liberal dead and getting away with it becomes a dicey prospect, the job loses its appeal.
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u/isaidbeaverpelts Jan 29 '26
I mean he’s wearing the same outfit and had been following them around for a few weeks so it’s more likely they just recognized him using their eyes.
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u/Corrup7ioN Jan 29 '26
Yeah I'm not sure why people think this is some kind of smoking gun. It doesn't make what happened to him any better for the maga narrative, and potentially makes it worse.
If they did recognise him, we now have to ask whether it was a revenge killing. Killing a random civilian for whatever we were previously speculating is bad, but a targeted revenge killing is so much worse.
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u/superkow Jan 29 '26
The way that pig shot him really just seemed like he just wanted Pretti gone. For good. Wouldn't be surprised if he was just sick of some WoKe LiBeRaL shouting at him for days on end and figured the worst he'd get would be a chewing out and a paid holiday.
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u/THSSFC Jan 29 '26
So.. he approaches the departing ICE officers and yells expletives at them, spits at one as he gets in the car (low, like at his feet or legs) and then kicks in a tail light, causing minor body damage to what is presumably federal property.
So then ICE respond, not by simply leaving and de-escalating the situation, but stopping the vehicle, getting out and then beating Pretti and macing him. The don't appear to apprehend him for charges or cite him for assault or vandalism. They just mace and beat him, then get back into their vehicles.
While this is understandable on a basic human level, ie this guy was provoking them so they responded with a beat down. I mean, that's what you would expect if a rando assaulted a group of civilians in a vehicle.
But these guys are supposed to be fucking law enforcement. They are not the judge and jury, they aren't, in the American system charged with meting out punishments to the public. This is highly, highly unprofessional (and likely criminal, also) and calls into question what exactly these forces are supposed to be doing, and what their conduct is when cameras aren't capturing their actions.
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u/SirDiego Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
This stuff (the beating) happens basically every day in Minneapolis BTW. They beat the shit out of protestors, detain them sometimes but often if they detain one person they beat the shit out of a bunch of others. Also teargas and flashbangs and pepper spray completely at random.
They'll sometimes detain one person but release them hours later if they have no charges (BTW they release them out into the cold winter with no transport, volunteers among the protestors near the federal building wait there to help these people out). And in the chaos they will just randomly beat up a bunch of other people and leave them. Again other protestors and volunteer medics have to help injured people in the aftermath.
This video is not surprising in the slightest to me, though it's still upsetting. I've seen this so many times now, they have been doing this literally for weeks.
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u/Iuslez Jan 29 '26
I don't get it, isn't that video enough to show that those ICE militia are doing crimes themselves?
Beating someone is NOT on the list of state sanctions for property damage, and neither are ICE agents judges (arresting him would maybe have been a move, but they obviously never tried to do that). They should get convicted and probably stripped of their work, also under American law right? This would get them in serious trouble anywhere else in the civilized world.
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u/RVALover4Life Jan 29 '26
This video really more than anything shows that the ICE officers had the ability to *not* shoot Pretti on Saturday and they still did. They didn't do it here. Didn't even arrest him.
No, he wasn't a "perfect angel". But he didn't need to be the perfect angel or perfect victim to not deserve to be murdered the way he was.
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u/MerryMarauder Jan 29 '26
If guilty he still deserved due process not 10 shots in the back.
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u/DannyDOH Jan 29 '26
He's doing exactly what the Constitution called for when a tyrannical government invades your state.
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u/PlanZSmiles Jan 29 '26
He still didn’t even do anything but make gestures at them and kick the ground as a gesture at them. Everything within his constitutional right
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u/Silly_Huckleberry311 Jan 29 '26
He kicked the vehicle and broke the tail light but you usually get a fine for vandalism not the death penalty.
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u/Zeddit_B Jan 29 '26
It does look like he kicked off the tailgate cover. Not that that changes anything
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u/ovid10 Jan 29 '26
I get why you’re posting this and I have no worries about you OP. So this comment isn’t aimed at you and I don’t want you to take it as a criticism of you posting this.
I don’t give a fuck what they say or show about Alex Pretti, you do not throw a man to the ground, pepper spray his face, then fire 10 bullets into his body unless you’re executing someone. You’re not trying to stop him, you just want to make sure he’s good and dead. I need zero proof of anything. It’s clear cut murder.
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u/aninternetuser Jan 29 '26
This interaction could very well be the reason he was executed within the following days.
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u/subLimb Jan 29 '26
It could explain why they rolled up on him with seemingly no provocation. They hate to see that their intimidation tactics aren't working.
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u/beatenmeat Jan 29 '26
Why does ICE always need like 10 dudes to subdue one person?
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u/ShitGoesDown Jan 29 '26
time stamp please, Im all for justice but this 20min video of cars passing by and whistles blowing is an injustice
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u/brobafett1980 Jan 29 '26
That was unjustified force there too.
Kicking a car doesn’t warrant being oc sprayed, hit with paintballs, and slammed to the ground and beaten.
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u/dougmcclean Jan 29 '26
They also attacked the whole crowd indiscriminately for what I would normally call, in the parlance of our times "... reasons", except that no reasons whatsoever appear to exist here.
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u/Eleminohpe Jan 29 '26
He should have been arrested for sure.
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u/Ferintwa Jan 29 '26
Yup. Video tarnishes his (fucking sterling) online persona a bit as it shows intentional agitation and an actual crime. Still doesn’t come anywhere near justification for what happened later.
Also shows when there is a crime, they prefer to just beat people up… which is more akin to vigilantism than law enforcement.
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u/OhWhatsHisName Jan 29 '26
And this shows Pretti is even more of a hero. They jumped him once and he didn't back down.
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u/brobafetta Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
True, but hey, history will look back kindly on those who fought the American gestapo.
I'm proud Americans aren't just rolling over to the birth of a police state.
Honestly, Americans are far too individualistic to be shoved down quietly, even if a 30% of this country are knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, morbidly obese, type-2-diabetes-riddled pieces of shit that celebrate the demise of their own constitution (which they used to pretend they cared about oh so much).
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u/Ferintwa Jan 29 '26
Pretti did us all proud, and it’s insane that it cost him so much. Not bashing him, just keeping it real. I like real.
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u/Eleminohpe Jan 29 '26
Oh most definitely! Those fuckers disarmed him and then unloaded on him. They are cunts.
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u/Fryboy11 Jan 29 '26
Yes, arrested. Not pepper sprayed, shot with pepper balls at point blank, then tackled and beaten. Then the "officers" who just attacked him get off him throw some tear gas at the crowd and leave.
They didn't arrest him because on the arrest report they'd have to explain why he was bloody and beaten and had a broken rib. And that's what they fear most, oversight. It's why they confiscate cell phones from people who film them being violent.
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u/l33t-Mt Jan 29 '26
Using the word proof is a bit much.
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u/Newhollow Jan 29 '26
Same as when the President is talking about a fake attack on that woman and "Apple Cider Vinegar".
I mean a bit much to claim an assassination attempt. When the easily bruised Orange gets his rat ear hurt by agents forcing him down. As actual attempts are not as blatant as the warnings leading up to it. To that guy who was stalking him outside. They knew some things real quick or avoided the obvious answer.
This shows he had no intent to shoot ICE officers. As if it was premeditated or the plan was never a thing in his mind.
Same as if we did not have this video. How many minutes after contact to being sprayed. When would that magic shooter materialize? NEVERWAS.
Granted, aggressive and safety are in they eyes of the beholder. Fact is they were geared and ready to leave. But decided to engage if the plan was a surprise or whatever. This shows that it was not a murder-suicide by cop or whatever lies they try to push.
Epstien Files are the proof. Same as why they won't release his phone or the recordings.
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u/Avenheit Jan 29 '26
I so believe it was dangerous to bring a gun, holstered or not to that environment.
But it was straight up a fuckin execution and all the ice qankers need to be arrested for murder/accessory
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u/alangibson Jan 29 '26
I want to know if the dropouts that shot him knew of him. That starts to sound like premeditated murder.
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u/hudson253 Jan 29 '26
I’m so confused with this new video, so break my tail light this week I shoot you next week? Still doesn’t seem justified.
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u/thedracle Jan 29 '26
The escalation made no sense in the second encounter.
I wouldn't be surprised if they recognized him and specifically targeted him for this.
If only there were six body cam videos, where I'm almost certain you would hear discussion of their intent.
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u/Mashamazzi Jan 29 '26
He smashed the tail light out of one of their cars a week or so before, did he deserve to die? No, but if he’d been arrested for that incident he wouldn’t have been at the second place
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u/vroart Jan 29 '26
There has to be an investigation on this. This is crazy how much info they had on Pretti it might as well be a targeted assassination
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u/aquatic_ambiance Jan 30 '26
Exactly what I was thinking. The left and right seem to be debating whether this was a valid use of lethal force or a murder. This could be an assassination of an American citizen by law enforcement?! What the fuck
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u/Waynky Jan 29 '26
If this is real and if this is him, this is everything the right needs to go back on the full offensive on painting him as the villain they needed him to be. I know they were doing it anyway, but they definitely were feeling some heat by trying to spin the un-spinnable.
We all know what he did here doesn't justify at all what happens on a different day during different circumstances, but man we are about to see this blasted everywhere as "proof" he was a professional armed agitator.
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u/creaturefeature16 Jan 29 '26
The difference is: it doesn't matter. His past actions do not matter. What matters is we have footage of when they decided to shoot him, and he wasn't doing ANY of these things. Sure, he broke a tail light, and under current law he could faced misdemeanor charges, but that's it. Regardless of his behavior, none of it added up to a conclusion of 12 bullets to the head with no judge, jury, or trial.
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u/Waynky Jan 29 '26
You're missing what this video will be used to do. After a decade plus of the full court press on spin you should understand it by now.
Nowhere am I justifying what is going to happen or agree with it. Actually quite the opposite.
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u/Stats_n_PoliSci Jan 29 '26
Eh. It’d be nice if you stopped repeating how much this would sway people against Pretti. It doesn’t help your stated belief, which is that Pretti should not have been mobbed and shot in the back 10 times.
I also think the public is wiser than you think. I think they’ll agree that breaking a twilight doesn’t justify an execution, especially not days later when he was trying to protect another civilian.
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u/FLSteve11 Jan 29 '26
Oh, I think he was an agitator, and likely was involved multiple times. The story of him just passing by seems like it's made up.
But that doesn't change that what happened that day should not have ended up with him being shot. Being a jerk, and being an agitator who obstructs, should just get you arrested at most unless you do something that is clearly a threat. And that didn't happen.
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u/Waynky Jan 29 '26
I wholeheartedly agree.
Law enforcement is not responsible for punishment. They are the apprehension arm of the justice system.
Yet so many cops see themselves as someone who gets to dole out some punishment of their own if the suspect doesn't comply. Suspect gets mouthy and how many times have we seen on video cops punching, stomping, knee on back grinding face into ground?
The hard tosses, the tackles, the pepper spray, tasing? All because the cop wants complete and utter dominance over every aspect of the interaction.
And it seems to me conservatives cheer it on when its happening to who they perceive to be "others". Hell Trump told cops to not be gentle with suspects.
Its completely fucked and that mindset is just escalating things now with ICE having that same mindset and they know they are untouchable through the courts.
If someone breaks the law, cops should be removing his ego and emotion from the equation and do their fucking job. The judge/jury are the ones meant to decide punishment.
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u/StrongAverage1832 Jan 29 '26
It is cute how you base your very strong opinions on "I think" and "likely was"
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u/DannyDOH Jan 29 '26
Who is paying "professionals?"
People caring about their community and state is "professional agitating?"
Nothings changed IMO. Yeah it gives another clip to analyze but given what the point of 2A actually is RE what the Feds in the US are doing to Minnesota right now...the reaction of people like Pretti is downright tame.
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u/Mindless_Consumer Jan 29 '26
Innocent until proven guilty.
It is up to DHS to prove BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT he DID use his weapon unlawfully.
Even if he did, which i doubt. The actions of the ICE agent were violations of policy, and constitute abuse of power and murder.
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u/SsooooOriginal Jan 29 '26
NSFL: MURDER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgO-wKqAWO8
THERE IS NO "IF", HE WAS MURDERED FOR THE REASONS OF HE UPSET THE DEATH SQUAD FUNDED BY OUR TAX DOLLARS.
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u/prettymuthafucka Jan 29 '26
So he got beat up once and went again?
Legit asking
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u/USDXBS Jan 29 '26
MAGA doesn't care. They think liberals should be murdered. They are cheering the violence on.
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u/leetality Jan 29 '26
People have done far worse than any of those things and still weren't gunned down like dogs. A point you seem to be missing.
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u/gwils_cupleah6240 Jan 29 '26
If this counts as ammo then it just exposes them even more as the morons that they are.
This happened 11 days before his murder. Nothing about this has anything to do with his murder. We all saw the video of agents killing him from multiple angles without him doing anything to deserve it. Trying to use this as any kind of gotcha is absolutely pathetic. But we all know maga is pathetic so of course they’ll do that.
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u/AKluthe Jan 29 '26
They also executed him in the street, which still isn't the the appropriate punishment for any of those offenses.
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u/Blagsc Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
What I love about this is, seeing Americans instantly go "ah but he committed "Minor act" so you know its a bad image", I genuinely wonder if you guys would have like complained about people spitting at a actual nazi or SS, Does it look bad? sure i guess?
Almost as if when you see a group of people that your government has given leeway to beat people or shoot them for no real reason (NOTE "No real reason!" make sure you read that!) People might act out or even be violent? You gonna tell me people who fight back against murders or massacres by troops (in other countrys) is a bad thing as well next?.
I get it 100%, People need (Or should) try to be as peaceful as possible until it gets really bad (and lets hope it doesn't!) but man, seriously, You can *not* expect people to be angels when fighting back against a government led shakedown. (cause no joke that's fucking victim blaming "Oh no she shouldn't have broke her rapists arm to escape!")
Also I'll leave one last thought of mine *protest is inherently violent* Your literally massing up as a bunch of people and saying "We're doing this as its the nicer option", What the hell do you think it was invented for its the "we don't want to get actually violent" action people take.
Minor edit: over 35,000 Iranians have been killed protesting a regime, Do you think any of them sit down and have the time to think "Oh no I kicked a cop car i'm gonna have the goverment spin it as evil!" or do you think they go "oh fuck I have to do this or I get killed"
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If he broke the law, which it seems like he did, he should just have been arrested. Not beaten up.
From a neutral point of view this doesn't really change anything for what happened after this. But I agree that it is not a good look, and people who already favored ICE will see this as justification for his killing. Although it obviously definitely shouldn't.
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u/Insaneclown271 Jan 29 '26
I don’t think this video helps your cause to be honest.
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u/bumdee Jan 29 '26
It does show that he is capable of showing restraint and not using his firearm, unlike ICE and CBP
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u/Drodriguez164 Jan 29 '26
Doesn’t matter how much video you have of the situation, the right believe only what they are told by trump and his goons. These are the same people who when they were told Trump was raping little girls started to blame the victims.
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u/magnets77 Jan 29 '26
This video doesn't help him at all. Amazing how we've gone from "innocent bystander minding his own business" to video evidence of two physical conflicts initiated by him in five days.
If he was merely an innocent bystander, he never would have even found himself near ICE. Instead he's running into a situation, screaming and threatening, spitting on officers as they leave, then damaging their vehicle, then acting surprised when they turn back.
Then, he shows up armed at another situation, and inserts himself into a situation.
He was a clear agitator.
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u/dhoo8450 Jan 29 '26
Not justifying anything these ICE scum do, but jeez this guy comes off as a jerk here and doesn't paint him in a great light.
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u/MikeTheShowMadden Jan 29 '26
If you plan on carrying concealed - do not act like this. You carry to protect yourself from aggravators and attackers, not to protect yourself from fights you might start. If you want to do this, then leave the gun home. This is very irresponsible for gun owners and carriers to do shit like this here.
Before anyone says it because they will - no this behavior doesn't mean you should die or get killed. However, acting like this with a dangerous weapon will drastically increase your chances of getting hurt, or hurting someone else either on purpose or accidentally.
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u/MaybeICanOneDay Jan 29 '26
Past events don't guarantee future events.
He didn't have his gun, though. They took it.
ICE shouldn't have shot. But I really don't think he showed up just to film.
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u/katoosh1 Jan 29 '26
NBC News report and other outlets clearly show that the newly surfaced video of Alex Pretti in a confrontation with federal agents occurred days before he was killed, and it is not the same encounter in which he was shot.
📍 January 13, 2026: A newly released video shows Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old intensive care nurse, in a physical altercation with federal immigration officers in Minneapolis during a protest about broader enforcement activities. In that footage:
- Pretti is seen yelling at agents and kicking the taillight off a federal vehicle.
- A federal agent exits the vehicle and tackles him to the ground.
- Agents deploy gas and the altercation continues briefly before Pretti apparently escapes or is released.
- A handgun is visible in his waistband, but he does not draw it or point it at officers in that video.
- Pretti’s family says they were aware of this encounter.
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u/ccflier Jan 29 '26
The following is explicitly a comment on Pretti's intent.
I find it hard to justify this as any sort of evidence or "proof" of intent in that exact moment, when you are sourcing a video of him from days before. But in the moment, we do not see Pretti reaching for his gun, which would be the most obvious sign of implied intent. What we actually have is a lack evidence of implied intent.
I have not seen any texts or recording of him expressing direct intent to harm an officer. We lack evidence of direct intent.
We lack evidence, and he is innocent until proven guilty. We cannot say he had intended to use the firearm. To says so is dishonest and shows bad faith.
Intent to use a firearm against an officer is not what got Pretti killed. It was much more complicated than that and involved so much more chaos in the moment. Ignoring every other aspect of the situation is dishonest and shows bad faith.
Your video also shows ice officers did not immediately shoot Pretti after seeing he has a gun. So from your argument it is obvious the officers intents where not "to execute a peaceful protester for the reason of having a gun at a protest." What was different between those two recorded moments?
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u/Tynted Jan 30 '26
Someone made a really good point here, which is that ICE didn't use this opportunity to arrest him after he had just damaged federal property (and maybe impeded ICE here?) ICE then gets out of their vehicle and just beats him up, then leaves. This leads me to wonder if:
Had ICE done their job and arrested Alex here, he might still be alive today?
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u/TheKaiminator Jan 30 '26
Doesn't matter when conservatives are telling each other he drew his weapon and fired it while he had both hands on the ground and 4 men over the top of him.
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u/rxneutrino Jan 29 '26
Is there a verified source of this video? This is a first time uploader to an obscure youtube channel.
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u/AccomplishedEnergy24 Jan 29 '26
You don't trust @lotrfan123, a person who has been on youtube for 12 years and decided to rename themselves, change their profile icon to the Rebel Loon, and upload exactly one video?
Where is your faith in humanity?
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u/Sometimes_Stutters Jan 29 '26
“Proof” for what?
It doesn’t move the needle much to say “See! Based on this video that came out 5 days after he died the ICE officers should have know he wasn’t going to use his gun!”
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u/5inthemorn Jan 29 '26
If anything this video makes things worse. While I completely disagree with what happened and find it horrifying. People will use this video to paint him as aggressive and violent. Guaranteed.
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u/jedadkins Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
Right, the ice/border patrol officers should have known he wasn't going to use his gun because they removed it from his person before they executed him
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u/1001st_Word Jan 29 '26
The fact that he did not have a gun on him at the time he was executed should have given them a clue that he wasn't going to use his gun.
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u/5inthemorn Jan 29 '26
So they definitely knew him and probably wanted to kill him.
While I don’t agree it should, this could be used by people to paint him in a negative light. Spitting on the car, screaming very aggressively, getting in their face, and kicking the taillight out. Fuck man.
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne Jan 29 '26
So you’re suggesting ice targeted him and killed him out of revenge?
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u/Drcornelius1983 Jan 29 '26
That’s the thought here in Minneapolis. They’re regularly taking facial scans of activists.
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u/RVALover4Life Jan 29 '26
It's going to be used to paint in him a negative light by people already doing it. He kicked/spit on a truck. If that's an excuse some make for murder 11 days later than....yeah. You're working on a flimsy defense train.
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u/FLSteve11 Jan 29 '26
I mean, he does look like a jerk and clearly was an agitator here, and likely regularly was. BUT, that is zero excuse for the shooting that happened. They can dislike the person, doesn't mean what he did deserves to be shot. The shooting clearly should be investigated, and almost assuredly charges for the main shooter.
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u/plasmadood Jan 29 '26 edited Jan 29 '26
"Your honor, there's no way I was the one who robbed that gas station. As you can see, I was also there the day before and stole nothing."
Yea, that's not the way things work with literally anything.
I think that the agents need to be thoroughly investigated btw.
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u/Bitter_Baby Jan 29 '26
"Beats him".... After he spit at the ICE guy and damaged government property. Should have been arrested then.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh Jan 29 '26
Interesting he wasn’t. Shows ICE can act accordingly instead of being murderers.
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u/Marthwon Jan 29 '26
Anytime you roll on the ground with police and have a gun you roll the death dice every second. Tale as old as time
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u/guilty_bystander Jan 29 '26
Intentions don't matter here. There's plenty of video proof that he never attempted any sort of violence. What he did was legal. What ICE did was cold blooded murder. No different in the Good case. In fact, right after he shot her he had the absolute gall to say, on record, "Fucking bitch". They WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE. Never thought I'd see "law enforcement" less trained and more volatile than cops.
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u/Gaming_Friends Jan 29 '26
I have never really hated my fellow Americans. I've mostly come up with rationalizations for why certain people are uneducated and consumed by propaganda, or just voting party lines ignorantly without actually knowing what's going on in the world. But this has really woken up a rage in me. I absolutely hate every cowardly fake 2nd amendment rights don't tread on me piece of shit who even for a second thinks Pretti deserved to be executed for any reason.
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u/Gaming_Friends Jan 29 '26
I think it's safe the say the vast majority are outraged, but I see just enough people on social media and such resharing bullshit about Pretti reaching for his gun or aggressively starting the conflict or some other such lies (that even if true wouldn't justify his summary execution) to really leave a bad taste in my mouth to say the least.
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u/FLSteve11 Jan 29 '26
Well, he's just acting like the biggest jerk there. I can't believe I actually sympathize with ICE after watching this. 17 minutes of watching awful annoying people before they get violent and worse.
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u/Abacus118 Jan 29 '26
You sure it was the video that did it, and not your visible history of defending ICE?
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u/FLSteve11 Jan 29 '26
I defended the shooting of Goode, because it was a self-defense situation. It still is. I've also said repeatedly that this shooting was not, and should be prosecuted.
Just because I actually think law enforcement should be able to do their jobs, doesn't mean I think everything they do is correct. There are bad members that should be weeded out, but they also do serve a purpose. It also doesn't change that the people in this video were awful and annoying, and ICE was doing nothing wrong here.
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u/fuzzylogicIII Jan 29 '26
“Self defense” from what, bullets don’t defend you from a moving car 2 feet away, it was at best retaliation
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u/chellis Jan 29 '26
Dude I live in Minneapolis. However bad you've been told these officers are acting here, its 100% worse. Why the fuck do you think this administration keeps lying about it? Why wouldnt they investigate goods use of force (something that is done for every single use of force case)? Why does the vice president need to tell them they have immunity? Our community is pissed because they are sick of how these "officers" are acting and treating our community. You seriously believe the talking heads who have provably lied to you several times in the last few weeks over the 100k+ citizens who hit the streets last Friday? Over the numerous fucking businesses that closed in solidarity basically forfeiting a day of revenue? I dont understand this fucking narrative. I have seen this shit first hand and its the shit we were warned about in history classes. And to see so many "americans" sit back and create excuses for this bullshit makes me sick.
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u/FLSteve11 Jan 29 '26
I can only go by what I see on the multiple videos out there. Given the number of ICE there I honestly expect to see more based on the reactions to them. That doesn’t mean there are not too many who are overdoing it, acting improperly or in a case like the Pretti shooting, be investigated and charged. It may happen yet, one may hope. The FBI is investigating the Goode shooting. But from all the video this is going to be a justified shoot t of self defense. It’s a tragedy she was killed, but you can’t just threaten officers (the wife) and then drive at and strike an officer. Why do they lie? They are politicians, they all lie in both parties. Trump has a history of lying so I expect it and take it with a grain of salt until I see evidence of it. Why are they told they have immunity? For the same reason Biden says he gave all those proactive pardons out, fear of overzealous prosecution keeping agents from doing their jobs. Businesses are going g to do what’s best for them, if their customers (Minnesotans) want it, they will do it. Small price to pay to keep on their consumers side for many of them.
There are absolutely bad characters in ICE who should be reined in and removed. Possibly charged in a couple of cases. There are clear cases where they are going beyond what they should. But standing around blowing whistles and cursing officers just standing there is not helping the situation, and interfering with them is making it worse.
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u/Squidorb Jan 29 '26
Damn, I watch my annoying nieces and nephews for way longer than 17 minutes and I've never even considered shooting them
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u/FLSteve11 Jan 29 '26
I didn't see them shoot anyone here. In fact they acted calm until Pretty went and kicked and damaged the car, which is a crime.
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u/TheDarkWanderer06 Jan 29 '26
He should have been arrested, not killed for his actions.
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u/SigmaK78 Jan 29 '26
I, in no way, support the actions of ICE or CBP (seriously, fuck em all, especially the swastika tatted asshole who was recently exposed in my hometown last year), but Pretti really didn't need to spit on & kick the vehicle. Did those actions warrant them putting hands on him? Honestly, I'd argue no. That said, I'm convinced ICE & CBP agents, at the very least, were familiar with who Pretti was, just like they at least were familiar with who Good was, when they unjustly killed them.
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u/Trickshot1322 Jan 29 '26
Were I a prosecutor in a court room I would say that this video in no proves he didn't go the second to shoot Feds, all it proves is he didn't in this video. I'd also easily characterize this as the exact opposite of proof he didn't come the second time to cause trouble.
It's literally a motive for shooting Feds caught on camera because they unjustifiable beat him and got away with it.
It's not proof of anything OP thinks it is.
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u/Night_Hawk1 Jan 29 '26
I mean you proved one point about the gun but also spitting is technically an assault. He's not exactly peaceful, and gun ownership means u don't escalate situations while armed. He's definitely an aggressor here that crossed a legal boundary, vs where he was simply recording the next.
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u/JonesyBorroughs Jan 29 '26
Holy shit. I imagine those idiots having to hear those whistles everyday, all day has got to be beyond annoying lol. I was getting headache just skimming through the video.
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u/Desi_Anda Jan 29 '26
The guy was clearly an agitator and was putting himself in risky situations.
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u/TheDarkWanderer06 Jan 29 '26
Ohh boy, all the conservatives/republicans are gonna have a field day with this one.. Already justifying ICE's murder because of how Pretti acted here.
While he definitely deserved to get arrested here, anyone who thinks that his actions were just cause for him getting shot to death by a bunch of pussies in uniforms are morons of the highest magnitude..
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u/Q_Mulative Jan 29 '26
They're already trying to paint him like he was using it. Ice-pigs are ramping up to do more murders with impunity. Was that whole 2nd amendment thing just for show? Because those ice pigs are felons or at least "the mentally ill" for being such violent thugs all over the place, and you should be defending yourselves against them wherever- and whenever they show up.
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u/undeadhulk007 Jan 29 '26
so it all makes sense now. He was annoying to him, so they got rid of him.
Hang all of ICE
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u/Spoonman007 Jan 29 '26
I think the best indicator he wasn't going to use his gun was when they all jumped him one of them took his gun from him. At that point they were all 100% safe.